-
Posts
2,955 -
Joined
-
Days Won
8
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Store
Events
Posts posted by PatrickS77
-
-
16 minutes ago, GoodOlJohnnyK said:
Your point was that they were disrespectful to Steven for only letting him play one song - I disputed that and gave you reasons why.
Then you said “he’s done with them” or they “blew it” with him because of how they treated him. And I’m saying, due to his general personality and the current state of his career, this is also likely untrue: I’d bet a year’s salary that if they offered him the opportunity to play Reckless Life and Rocket Queen in Hershey, he’d drop everything and do it.
Though I’m also tired of it. Let’s be friends. I hate taking in circles. So tell me, which song do you think they’re releasing next, THE GENERAL OR SOUL MONSTER?!
And here you go in circles again. They were disrespectful, they blew it, he's done with them. He said as much after that South America incident. No reason to not believe that. And nothing you say further or believe in that regard is relevant.
And really, I don't care which song they release next, whatever happens happens.... or in this case, doesn't happen.
-
11 minutes ago, GoodOlJohnnyK said:
I wonder what makes a person contribute to a message board and then say “I’m not gonna read what else you all have to say.”
Because it's irrelevant to my original point (and the original point of this thread), all goes in fucking circles and has been discussed a thousand times already. And I'm tired of it.
-
14 minutes ago, DoMw94 said:
Who cares? You clearly. Just because he's a founding member, it doesn't mean he has a right to be there. He doesn't. He's a former member with nothing to do with the current band and he's lucky he gets a birthday shoutout, let alone a handful of guest appearances in-place of someone who justifiably earned his place.
Sorry, but it's exactly that – a work place. It will be run exactly like any other business.
And you clearly have no idea how the real world works. It has nothing to do with Frank being there to step in. Frank's drumming isn't going to pay medical bills, it isn't going to cover lost earnings in the event of something going wrong etc. Every single person working at those shows will be insured, from caterers and riggers to the band itself. You, no doubt, get travel insurance when you go on holiday, your home and car will be insured too, right? But you can always just get another if something goes wrong...
Nah. I don't. I also don't care about any of the shit you all have to say. It's irrelevant to my original point, which is, just like Izzy, he's done with them and they blew it. Not even gonna read what else you all have to say.
- 1
-
34 minutes ago, DoMw94 said:
But he's not in the band. It's as simple as that. There's a reliable person in the position he once occupied.
We need to look at this practically – we might be fans, but at the end of the day the band is a workplace like any other. If you depart a job and your longstanding replacement fulfills the role reliably and without issue, you can't pop back to the office and expect to waltz back into your old role when there's no reason, from a business perspective, to ditch the current guy.
Whether he or some fans want it or not, he simply isn't in the band. Deep down he'll know that and accept that. The odd song here or there might seem like a bummer, but a few short years before that, that would've been absolutely impossible. He should be, and will be, thankful the current band acknowledges him and gave him those guest appearances at all. Not all bands would be as gracious. It's not like he's Axl or Slash either. 95% of concert goers won't give a damn about who's drumming – even Frank will acknowledge that.
As for the insurance point, money could be irrelevant. If a company flat-out refuses, there's no amount of money that would help. Even so, spending a lot of money to pay, insure, feed, house, and move someone who doesn't need to be there is a horrendous business decision, regardless of how much you're making. It's unnecessary expenditure.
Who fucking cares whether he's in the band? He's a founding member, as far as AFD is concerned and fans would love to see him. More than they would like to see Frank do the Appetite songs. Axl had Izzy guest on pretty much all of the 2006 european tour, when he needed some legitimation to his new line up, kinda like "See, Izzy approves and plays with me. I'm not the bad guy.". They could have easily done the same with Steven and have him play at key shows. And he would have done it. He did do it, until they reduced his playing from 2 to 1 song. As if it would break anyone in this band to let him do some Appetite songs.
And it just isn't a workplace like any other. It's a workplace, but not like any other.
No one needs to be insured, if he just is an additional drummer with guest spots. If he can't play, nothing is lost, because Frank is there.
-
10 hours ago, Jim V. said:
First of all I don't buy for a second that Steven is over being in GNR. And secondly how were they disrespectful to him? Obviously I'm open to changing my mind, but I will point out that I don't think that the red carpet should've been rolled out for him. He's been a junkie for over 30 years (around 25 when the reunion first happened) and sad to say, I'm not sure you could find many junkies you'd be able to trust to play a prominent role in a huge rock n' roll tour with millions on the line. It just isn't feasible. If for instance Steven were THE drummer (instead of Frank) I have to wonder if the tour would even be able to be insured.
What you believe or buy, really is irrelevant, but to fly him all the way to South America and them let him play 1 measly song and then let him sit on the sidelines, when he's more than capable of doing more and the fans clearly want to see him, is more than disrespectful. He gave an interview afterwards talking about it and it's clear, he's done with them. He never made another appearance with them again. If he still would be clinging over GNR, he never would have done that interview and taken every chance he could get to play with them again. And GTFOOH with insurance. That tour is making so much money, they easily could afford to have both Frank and Steven on (or at least have him for significant guest spots here and there).
- 2
-
5 hours ago, Karice said:
Hmm. What if Steven and Izzy DO decide to come back to Guns N'Roses and the "Newer ," Guns N'Roses Members, Melissa, Richard, Dizzy, and Frank aren't comfortable having them back. Or worse, Axl automatically kicks out Frank,, Dizzy , Melissa, and Richard for Steven and Izzy? All of the "Newer," Guns N'Roses Members have been there for YEARS and would be beyond resentful if Axl suddenly kicks them all to the curb just because Steven and Izzy are back. 💡
Steven and Izzy can decide all they want. None of that is going to happen. Axl won't allow it. Axl is loyal to his people.
6 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:I’m pretty sure Steven stopped caring about GnR as soon as his newest singer (the guy from Argentina) joined his band back in late 2018/ early 2019. That guy does Axl better than Axl these days.
Nah. He stopped caring about (being in) GNR, when they flew him down to South America and only let him play one song and were disrespectful to him.
-
On 7/24/2023 at 3:54 PM, Rovim said:
maybe he smiles only when he really feels like smiling, like he doesn't want to fake a smile (just a guess)
he also seems to not really be that into taking pictures, but who knows cause he keeps taking them without smiling.
Yeah. Both times I saw him in Budapest he absolutely was against photos. And we were less than 10 people both times.
-
On 7/24/2023 at 9:12 PM, Rovim said:
you know I think what Blackstar said about it is likely. I know some people who don't smile while they get their picture taken. I guess what confused me was that in the past he did smile while people took his picture. Maybe now that he's older he just thinks it looks better without smiling, I really have no idea.
He smiles before and after the picture. Just not in the picture. Yeah, I guess he has a problem with his smile.
- 1
-
6 minutes ago, meadsoap said:
I was considering this too, and I'm glad someone brought it up. This is the part of the reason I think the band themselves pushed to a do a bunch of stadiums this time around, even if they knew it wouldn't be full. They still get paid more for stadiums than they do arena shows, and if the show doesn't do well then it's not their problem at this point. However, there has to be a reason Livenation agreed to this arrangement. They wouldn't put so pay GnR so much money without being sure they'll make a profit too. And unlike with the concert in the Netherlands, none of the US shows have downsized due to lack of ticket sales, so they must be pretty confident.
Maybe the breakeven point for these shows is much lower than we're thinking. Once you combine merch sales with the inflated ticket prices when they initially go on sale (not to mention how low budget GnR's stage show is overall, with the lack of pyro and set pieces), the stadiums might not need that many tickets sold to make a profit for livenation in the end.
A band doesn't get to push anything. They get booked to do a show. And no promoter is going to book them into an stadium, when there is a huge financial risk for them or they are not confident it's gonna work out. And I doubt that they get paid more for a stadium performance than an arena performance. They might take an additional cut from tickets sales, but the performance rate should be the same. But yeah, obviously a sold out stadium is not needed for it to be a financial success. If they sell 20,000 I guess they are good too.
- 1
-
21 hours ago, DoMw94 said:
Probably the other way round
They blew it with both. They were in contact with Steven, but after what happened in South America he pretty much told them to shove it. I don't think either of them wants to be in contact with GNR anymore.
-
2 hours ago, colonizedmind said:
Well this ended unexpectedly....waiting for that beer photo in after the Boston gig! Extreme to support Guns someday...things move on fast!
Well, Fortus liked my comment, that maybe he will invite him to a Guns show to see him play. So somehow I hope that happens.
- 1
- 1
-
3 hours ago, IzzysMissy said:
If I get gifted a ticket I may go for like the first hour and split.
Yeah. That makes sense.
-
43 minutes ago, El Guapo said:
Oh, come on! XD
Is Brian Johnson the new guy in AC/DC for you as well?
Nah. But you don't really want to compare Brian Johnson to Richard Fortus, do you?? The Brian Johnson who sings on the biggest selling AC/DC album. And yet, to some die hards even Brian Johnson is just the replacement.
-
On 7/26/2023 at 6:23 AM, axlvai said:
"Replacement player in guns"
Ouch!
Oh well, it's the truth, isn't it? Irrelevant in this argument, but still the truth. Replacement player in that band is what he will be known most for.
- 1
-
2 hours ago, betterman said:
He (Nuno) has now publically said sorry and wants to grab a beer with Fortus!
A nice end to the story
This is how to get an invitation to a Guns N' Roses show. Fortus already responded.
32 minutes ago, WhazUp said:Ah the whole "I am making a video of myself talking so you know it is genuine even though I could have just typed things like I did in all the messages regarding this issue previously" thing I respect the dude's guitar playing but this is more cringeworhy than seeing the Puddle of Mudd guy try and cover a Nirvana song
Oh, well. A typed thing could also come from a PR guy.
-
11 hours ago, Oxford said:
Yeah, I wasn’t a fan of his long legged multi layered ripped jeans and braid rimmed hat look. And his boots were awful and made him look awkward on stage. He seems more confident in his movements now and has become more active.
Well, that outfit itself wasn't that bad. Just that he carried it on for too many years. Like he couldn't afford something different for each leg. Switching it up would be key.
-
12 minutes ago, Italian girl said:
"LET'S SEE IF THIS TIME IT WORKS" (or something like that).. THEN TURNED TO THE GUY AND SMILED
Good. He went from "He's not number 1 anymore" to smiles to "He's an asshole". Back in the '00s the guy would have been an asshole right away. And fired.
- 1
- 2
-
1 minute ago, Italian girl said:
In Rome Axl talked and smiled to him .. he hasn't been fired
Before the pain train? What did he say?
-
11 minutes ago, Lio said:
Poor guy He seems completely lost.
That poor guy. I saw him the first time in Oslo, when it was a festival and he set it up, right before GNR was supposed to play. While he was setting it up, I thought, what now? Will he just know it works or will he test it, with all the people there. Well, he told everyone cover their ears and did test it. 2 weeks later, I see them in Bern, it doesn't work and he goes pale and Gio comes over to console him. And then obviously the same shit again in Weert. Yeah, don't wanna be him. It used to work like a charm previously. In Budapest it wasn't even set up anymore.
- 1
-
10 minutes ago, Gnrcane said:
Why does it seem Axl has switched to the handheld train horn vs. the full sized one mounted on the stage? Did somebody sue them like the stupid b that ruined the mic toss?
Well, it didn't work at the show in Bern and he used the handheld thing. I wonder if they left it off since then. They didn't mount it in Budapest either. Is it broke? Did the guy responsible get fired?
- 1
-
- Popular Post
- Popular Post
22 hours ago, MaskingApathy said:Tbf Nuno is way more well known and respected in guitar circles than 4tus, he's kind of right in saying that he's only heard of 4tus in the context of replacing him in Rhianna's band and being the other guitarist in GnR (I thin that's true for most people). Personally I think 4tus should've kept his mouth shut to begin with, his reaction of "oh you're wrong because I know Slash and I play with him every night" comes off as him sucking up to Slash and trying to look supportive when honestly I'm sure Slash doesn't even care about what Nuno said (and he probably fully understood what Nuno meant anyway).
And?? That's irrelevant to what he said. Fortos both knows the gig and has played with Slash and thus knows both better than Nuno. He is in a position to give a qualified opinion. Whether Nuno has or hasn't heard anything from Fortus is absolutely irrelevant in this context. And you don't knock somebody's reputation, just because he called you out and you don't have any way to counter what he's actually said. Only losers do that.
- 5
-
Just now, JimiRose said:
From Austria i guess you can drive to lots of different countries easy enough, you must be boarded by 6? bit harder and expensive from london!
Yeah. Not being on an island makes it easier for sure. Did a 3500 km roundtrip by car. Hollywood Vampires, Guns and Bruce Springsteen. 2 of those Vampires show got cancelled, which led to that last minute desicion major ride from Slovakia to the north of Poland. Exhausted as hell. But so worth it.
- 2
-
17 hours ago, JimiRose said:
Seeing GnR 7 times in 7 different countries! Either you are very rich, or have the most relaxed boss in the world!
We're in Europe. That is not such a big feat, if there is a will. I was in 6 countries seeing concerts last week. ;-)
-
1 hour ago, 6lake sa66ath said:
Tom Mayhue explained their stage gear was last used in Paris.
And they used other gear since? That would explaing why it looked different in Budapest than in Bern. No even the lights are the same.
- 1
izzy and steven
in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS
Posted
When we have on one hand, what Steven Adler said and on the other hand what you said, then yes. What you say is irrelevant. Steven thinks like that. Anything else is irrelevant.