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  1. I guess I didn't make my point clear, yes, he's free not to answer that question. But the way he does it speaks volumes (too me at least). There was a lot of talking here on the forums about who is really to blame for the deal with Izzy not coming through - who was more "unreasonable" so to speak. I tended to think both parties were guilty... But if that were the case why would Duff talk like this? I mean, he has to resort to excuses like: my wife had to tell me what they said about us on SM, I didn't know. Like hell he didn't at least peek on SM to see how their "last great mystique" about the line up worked out! Like hell he was only focusing on reheasals and not interested on what the money deals/machinations were! Really, he tells that crap just after talking about how he took up bussiness classes to learn about the money part of show biz! That's why I said it puts them in bad light...
  2. This. The way Duff and Slash talked about this issue recently doesn't put them in the best light. It wouldn't be too hard say that they considered a lot of different things and in the end it worked out the way it did. Not saying mcuh, no spilling stuff, no putting anyone down, just a clear statement that this was the best way for a lot of reasons that were important. But "I wouldn't go anywhere near that" and "I don't follow social media" / "When I'm doing my thing [rehearsals] it just that" / "I'm not going into the machinations" etc? Seriously? At least Slash was honest, Duff is lying. There is no way he didn't know the responses on social media to the Izzy issue (from the uncertainty about his presence to the "loot" tweet) and there is no way he was just focusing on rehearsals and not keeping a close watch on (and possibly a decisive power in) the "machinations". BS!
  3. This. How on earth did Duff get to this elevated status? Just because he sucks up to everyone? Mr. Diplomat? Imo, he's spineless, just like Slash called him way back and that's why he manages to get his $
  4. @Blackstar can you post the agreement you have found? I remember reading it in full a few years back and there was the veto part in there. I clearly remeber that because it instantly connected for me with the claims of Doug? Axl? about the need of putting in the name sign over in case one of Duff or Slash would OD or something (and their spouses turning into Yoko Onos, etc.). They clearly were afraid of a stalemate. The version I read had a majority vote but A & S could veto any decision. I can only find 2 pages of the agreement now, the rest seems to have disappeared from the net.
  5. The contract said that both Axl and Slash could veto any decision. So Slash couldn't have been ousted by Axl - even with Duff's support (nor vice versa). That was a stalemate, my guess is that's why Axl formed a new band.
  6. Have you actually looked at the vid? Izzy was NOT unprepared or unprofessional about these shows. The fact that Axl was is just a reminder, because, really, everyone knows it by now right?
  7. And in 1994 Izzy stepped in when Gilby had a broken hand and Slash said the following: Slash: Then right towards the end he turned around and did certain things that were so fucked. Right towards the fifth date, because of his hand Gilby still wasn't sure if he was going to be able to play, and Izzy all of a sudden turned around and stabbed us in the back again, asked for an amazing amount of money to do one show - it's like, 'I can't believe this, go home!' [Kerrang! March 1994] Lol at Axl's "stipulations" and Slash being backstabbed. According to Duff's book they didn't earn money because of all the late start fees, no wonder it hurt to have to pay what they've owed for over 2 years.
  8. Guess who didn't come for rehearsal in those 93 shows... By your 'quotes' it must have been Izzy, lol! So unprepared, so unprofessional. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU9zo2fcAh8&feature=youtu.be&t=143 As someone else said earlier - it's just Axl projecting his own guilt on others.
  9. Not much info on the guy, except he's still in contact with Jimmy Asshurst https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207236759098017&set=p.10207236759098017&type=3&theater
  10. I honestly don't understand why on this board so many people make technical skill equal to being a good guitarist. I'm pretty sure my half decent computer with a good synthesizing software can make guitar tones that - with regard to technical perfection - would make Fortus hide under a rock. And in any guitar style you can imagine. Does it make my computer the best guitarist in the world? Compare that with, for example, piano players. EVERY single pianist on renowned piano competitions has to be technically perfect. And yet technical proficiency, mastering of the instrument is just the entry requirement. The winner is the one who puts the most feel into playing, who makes the piece his/her own even though each one of them plays the same notes. I don't hate Fortus, he seems a nice guy. He is a technically proficient guitar player. But Izzy surpasses him both as a songwriter AND a rythm player by miles. Fortus' technical skill actually disturbs the quality of his performance. Instead of feeling the song and enhancing it he stomps all over it without much recognition of his role as rythm player. He destroys all the interplays that were there on the originals between lead and rythm. Just put on Ghost to hear how this should work. The greatest skill of Izzy as a rythm player was that he had enough "gelling" with Slash to push him to the limits, but at the same time never tried to outdo or even match his playing. And please don't tell me how Fortus would be a great second lead in GNR. GNR doesn't need another lead player. Not only he could never match Slash's feel but adding more lead parts is like adding too many toppings to a pizza - at the end it has so many tastes that it doesn't taste of anything.
  11. Links to 2 pages of the contract: http://tinypic.com/r/2vxks21/5 http://tinypic.com/r/amt5zd/5
  12. Slash and Duff didn't quit the original partnership, Axl did.
  13. Btw, it is safe to assume that the NITL tour has a separate contract. It could well be a longterm partnership because even when the tour ends, they still could be selling merch from it, use the logos, etc. There has to be a legal document explaining how licensing decisions are made and who gets the money. That could be totally separate from contracts with performers, crew, etc. that are probably handled by the band partnership in which S/D don't have to be included.
  14. The contract has been posted on this forum a few years ago. The original partnership required that if a partner is thrown out or quits, the others HAVE to buy them out and that they lose any say in what happens to the brand. I suppose that legally it would be very inconvenient to make any decisions regarding ads, merch etc. if you have "left over" partners - so this kind of stipulations must be common in band contracts. The contract explained how the bought up shares would be split, etc. The version that was posted was the one that to this general terms added one exception - if Axl were to quit he would keep the name. When others would quit they would keep nothing but would get money for their share. (The share is not the same as royalties, which they have anyway for songwritting / performing credits). So as the story goes, Axl waited for the statute of limitations to pass, then quit the band, keeping the name. He then made another partnership - the newGnr - to which he invited Slash and Duff. As far as I remember Duff accepted, Slash declined. In effect there were 2 partnership and numerous lawsuits that regarded decision making about licensing etc - no wonder, as there were legally 2 partnerships that had a claim (one had rights to licensing of the original material, the other the name of the band), a tough nut to crack, but Axl must have had good lawyers that made the amendment to the old contract - it worked out perfect for him. (the version of the contract posted was used as evidence in one of the lawsuits) So the story of Izzy's share is pretty simple - when quitting he HAD to sell his shares. Same goes for when Adler was sacked - they had to buy him out, although at that time his shares were worth much less probably. When Izzy left that must have already been a shit load of money. One thing that is connected to this is the story of Izzy stepping in when Gilby broke his wrist. In interviews he said Alan Niven (his then manager) advised him to take the offer because GNR still owed him some money - I think that was probably part of his shares, because other stuff (i.e. royalties) would not necessarily be distributed by the partnership but by the publisher. So I assume that they couldn't afford to pay him out in one go and after 2 years he still didn't receive the full sum. Izzy said that he could either sue them (which would be lengthy) or come to an agreement about his guesting in place of Gilby. Which he apparently thought a better option. But if you read Slash and Axl interviews from after that period you can see how they were pissed that Izzy's guesting cost them so much money. It was the first time Axl complained that Izzy was so expensive. But those were not fees for playing, it was the debt they owed him, most probably for his share in the partnership. Now, Duff's point of view is very telling - he writes in his book that the second leg of UYI tour they hardly broke even as the fees for late shows, additional costs of crew, etc. ate all their income. As he writes, each memebr got some part of the income, but a part of it went to the band's shared assets. He was pissed that the band didn't earn anything, while it was solely Axl's fault that they had to pay the additional costs. Now, that was precisely when Izzy guested and asked for his money. I imagine for Axl it must have been oh so painful, but then he was the culprit there... That's why I can't take his complains about the "Izzy cost" seriously. Edit: One final note to those who claim that A/D/S were contributing to the partnership / putting effort in maintaining it, etc through out the years, while Izzy did nothing. They DIDN'T. The partnership is about the value of the GNR brand, decisions about licensing, etc. Taking part in lawsuits has nothing to do with it (and if you think they personally appeared in court to argue their contracts you're romanticizing). The only thing that can raise or at least maintain the value of a brand is delivering quality products year after year under that brand. None of them did that. Solo activity has no import for GNR brand. Axl's GNR tours and CD if anything have devalued the brand. Years of inactivity have for sure devalued the brand. Just imagine you were a Coca-Cola promotion manager - how much money would you be willing to pay to use Welcome to the jungle in an ad in 91? And how much in, say, 2013? Right now thanks to NITL tour the value is rising, but it is nowhere near what it was during the UYI tours. In all, while he probably didn't know it, Izzy sold his shares at the peak of their worth... Savvy businessman he is
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