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  1. GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

    Raz Cue also remembers her: https://www.razcue.com/single-post/2019/06/29/An-open-letter-to-Duff-McKagan https://www.razcue.com/single-post/2019/07/02/I-was-wrong I thought the funniest parts were: "Though only 23 then, basically a Teen himself, Axl never sought people in her age range." and "Everybody watched her rape Axl with her hands stuck down in his pants fondling his privates,THE WHOLE WAY HOME." Why didn't anybody help the poor guy?!
  2. GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

    If you want yet another version of what really happened, or just want to cringe, read the comments on the first part of the interview. https://soundcloud.com/user-422086862/littlemichellelives-interview-part-1
  3. GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

    https://soundcloud.com/user-422086862/littlemichellelives-interview-part-3 To me it sounds like the same story as before with some added details. The conversation is two years old but you can see it on Little Michelle's twitter page. https://twitter.com/LivesMichelle/status/1171840434391285760
  4. The Leak History

    If that person on Reddit isn't Fernando, it's a pretty good impersonator.
  5. GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

    Don't you think people like Raz Cue would recognize if she wasn't the person she said she was? She has posted pictures of herself on her social media. Michelle Young also mentioned her. Somebody thought Michelle Young was the Michelle in question. She replied it wasn't her but another Michelle and that they used to call her Little Michelle. Little Michelle mentioned this forum on her social media, so we know the person on social media and the person who posted here are one and the same. Regardless of whether you believe her version of what really happened, it seems reasonably well established that this is a real person from the band's past.
  6. GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

    To be clear, she didn't say Steven or anybody from the band helped her with the miscarriage. She encountered Steven when she left the bathroom after the fact. Whether or not Steven noticed that something was off with her, he probably didn't realize it was because she had just miscarried, especially if he didn't even know she was pregnant. She did say she was still "bleeding all over the place" when she was sitting at the table, but most likely it wasn't like a spray fountain. If she was wearing dark clothing, it's well possible nobody noticed a thing. With that said, I think it would be interesting if somebody asked Steven about the whole incident (not just the miscarriage). If girls can pull it off and give birth full term without any help and without anybody noticing, it's no surprise that somebody could do the same with a miscarriage and with the help of two friends. There have been cases where nobody knew a girl had given birth until a baby was found in a toilet bowl. Don't Cry was her favorite song. I suppose there may have been some comfort or beauty in hearing that song in her moment of agony, but I don't think she's telling it as a fond memory. Not all movies are good movies. I can't be 100% that everything happened as she said it happened, but there's nothing there that would make me go "there's no way this could have happened".
  7. GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

    Did she say she carried on drinking? She sat there bleeding while her friends were cleaning the scene of the miscarriage and the band was playing Don't Cry. She was describing how surreal it was.
  8. GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

    Women have given birth to full term babies alone in the bathroom without any help and without telling anybody about it. I don't find it particularly difficult to believe that the miscarriage may have happened exactly as she described it. The relationship with Little Michelle didn't last for very long. I think Axl has typically been a good guy in the early stages of his relationships. Stephanie said that they never fought or had any disagreements (which of course later on was no longer true).
  9. GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

    I think this is the quote I had in mind earlier: Axl: "I mentioned to one person about some trumped-up rape charges that we had, and that started appearing everywhere. It really wasn't that big a deal - just some old girlfriend trying to get back at us. People seem to want to believe we're really bad guys. Yeah, we've had some run-in's with the cops and we've done some strange things in our lives, but I think people are just making too much out of 'em" [Hit Parader, March 1989].
  10. GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

    I'm aware that he rejected his parents' religion but that doesn't mean his cultural and religious background didn't continue to influence him. Didn't Axl himself also refer to this girl as an ex-girlfriend? I doubt he would have done so if the relationship didn't involve sex. According to Raz Cue they all knew she was 15.
  11. GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

    Where did she say that he (Axl?) already knew about the miscarriage? I listened to the audio interview and that's not what she said.
  12. GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

    It didn't make sense for Axl to want a child with Erin, either, considering how dysfunctional that relationship was and that he had only recently said in an interview that he didn't want children at the moment. Yet he apparently had a very strong reaction to that miscarriage as well. There are a lot men who don't realistically want children and have no realistic understanding of what being a parent involves. That doesn't stop them from going crazy when a woman miscarries or, god forbid, has an abortion. Axl was a young man with religious background and most likely very much against a woman's right to choose. If he as much as suspected that Michelle had "killed his baby", it wouldn't surprise me if he responded with violence totally regardless of whether he had initially wanted the baby or not. If other parts of Little Michelle's story are true, I don't understand why she would make up the part about the pregnancy and miscarriage. If she has a legit story to tell about a crime that was committed and is hoping for acknowledgement from members of the band, why would she ruin it with some bs story about a pregnancy that never happened?
  13. GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

    I believe she's most likely telling the truth but would love to be proven wrong. Parts of the story have been confirmed by other people. At least the part that Axl ripped her clothes off and threw her out naked and that she was just 15 while Axl was 23. That alone is bad enough and makes her status as a victim valid IMO. Unfortunately, I don't find it hard to believe that the part about forcible rape is also true. Where should it be posted if not the women's thread? We have discussed plenty of topics before. Doesn't mean they can't be discussed again. You are free not to participate.
  14. Official GNR Social Media Update / Discussion

    I can't count the times I've seen Beta or Fernando reprimand the fans for being clueless. Yet they never bother to tell us anything or clarify whatever it is we are clueless about.
  15. GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

    Yes, I remember that also.
  16. GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

    I've often wondered if it isn't awkward for Meegan and Axl to be around one another. She was the one who testified against him in Erin's lawsuit and called him a pig. If I was in Meegan's position, I'd probably continue to hold it against Axl what he did to my friend. Not that I know whether Meegan and Erin are still friends. I thought they had a fallout at some point? As for Susan and Stephanie, no reason for any awkwardness there as far as I can tell. It would be quite a stretch to suggest that Susan should allow the singer in her husband's band to dictate who she can and cannot be friends with.
  17. GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

    What did Beta say? I tried reading the comments on Susan's post but couldn't find it.
  18. Official GNR Social Media Update / Discussion

    Slash is fire. Fernando posted "This dude is fire" and a picture of Axl earlier this year, so this is a reoccurring theme.
  19. Epstein Dead: Reported Suicide

    He attempted suicide just a few weeks ago, so it's not hard to believe he may have been suicidal again/still. Unless of course you believe that the first suicide attempt didn't really happen and that those injuries were inflicted just to make it appear he was suicidal - all part of the conspiracy.
  20. I always loved that little speech by Axl (the harakiri one). Remember it well from the Use Your Illusion World Tour - 1992 in Tokyo VHS they put out in the early 90s.
  21. Official GNR Social Media Update / Discussion

    Are they just randomly posting clips of various songs for marketing purposes or is there a specific message to this? My first thought when I saw this was that it might have something to do with the #littlemichellelives campaign but maybe I'm reading too much into it.
  22. Another wave of copyright strikes?

    That's what I think. I think it's highly unlikely that TB would report back to Axl or other band members about any fan concerns. They have been known to do the opposite and keep information from him. Not that Axl or other band members would necessarily do anything about the problem even if they were informed.
  23. Funniest lyric

    You are an asshole and everyone knows it How much of an asshole nobody can say
  24. Raz Cue - An Open Letter To Duff McKagan

    @Euchre Excellent post!
  25. Raz Cue - An Open Letter To Duff McKagan

    @Little Michelle I'm so sorry for what you had to go through. Where can we read these?
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