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  1. "Slash may sound like the De La Hoya but he's the fuckin Vargas." - W. Axl Pose So to be clear, Richard Fortus, the guy with zero writing credits - who played 3rd fiddle to Bucket and Finck with barely any creative input on Chinese Democracy - as per Slash, this dude is apparently involved with the long awaited follow up record to the legendary AFD and UYI. However, this album may or may not come out ostensibly since GNR has no plan or schedule to complete and release it. Meanwhile, Izzy, Steven and Matt, all of whom remain available, are left to twist in the wind. Brilliant. These clowns literally couldn't find their asses with both hands. Why do they even bother? Just release the 90s shit and retire already.
  2. The truth, and the end.

    Anything is possible but it seems unlikely given that...well, TB are amateurs by any generous estimation of their abilities. I don't know if I'd call the TB managed years of touring a success so we'd have to agree to disagree. Weren't Axl and co. bottled off stage in 2010 (Ireland) and heavily booed for being hours late back in 2012 @ the 02 arena? I'll concede that Axl seems to have shaped up somewhat in the few years prior to the reunion but that's like giving kudos to someone for clearing the lowest bar possible. If that were indeed the case, Duff and Slash wouldn't have their own managers to handle GnR affairs for them. I also seriously doubt Live Nation would entrust a multi-million dollar tour to Axl and his clowns - Rose's reputation prior to NITL was radioactive. I'm sure LN had their own people in place for this tour. It does appear however that TB is steering the GnR brand with (or without) the blessings of Slash and Duff which is unfortunate for the fans (imho).

    No doubt the idea of FAT AXL. Back to his old tricks I see. I imagine GnR Pork Rinds will be the next release from this lame ass band.
  4. That actually sounds more exciting than the "cashing our retirement check" crew we have now
  5. I think even in a best case scenario they would have broken up after the 1996 album and subsequent tour. Axl and Slash were musically on opposite poles and the longer things dragged out, the worse it got. Had Slash not done Snakepit and spent 1995 lighting a fire under Axl's ass and forcing him to release something, they may have somehow managed to get that mid-90's record made. Either way, there is no conceivable way they could have lasted beyond that with Axl and Goldstein at the helm.
  6. The truth, and the end.

    So are Ca$h and Puff even involved in the management of the brand or have they ceded managerial control to Axl's leeches? I can't imagine them willingly letting amateurs like Team Brazil run things unless there was absolutely no other choice and they were forced to go along with it for the reunion payday.
  7. For fucks sake Axl. So the real version of This I Love w/ the original lineup is lost forever? And the only existing version is the cheesy Broadway POS on CD?
  8. I'm not taking a shot at Tommy in my post nor putting down people who take jobs for money. Not sure where you got that my man. We all have to do what it takes to pay the bills, I'm not scorning someone doing that at all. Someone asked why Tommy was in the band if he disliked/mocked GnR and another person responded that he did it for money. I was following up with my thoughts to that conversation. And for the record, while I respect people doing whatever it takes to feed their families (including playing in bands they don't care about for money) - my personal preference would be for Guns to have members who actually are passionate about the gig for starters. I think most people would be into that. In the case of Nu Guns, a majority of the band members weren't fans nor all that creatively invested - some of them were literally collecting paychecks and didn't give a fuck (Freese has been quite open about that). It is what it is. And honestly, it kinda showed - nu guns never felt like a real band and the music was a mixed bag for many (I'd wager in large part due to the lack of band cohesiveness). The people who were passionate about the gig, Finck and Bucket, left in frustration once they realized nothing would happen. And both of these guys could have made a fortune (as Tommy did) had they stayed with Guns. They left so they could continue to create art instead of having their recording sessions boxed up and filed away in some locker year after year. Those two have flourished outside of Guns. And I respect that - I respect their artistic integrity to bail from a creatively defunct enterprise once they understood it wasn't going anywhere. Fair point though, I do bring up the past regularly. In case you haven't noticed, this band lives in the past.
  9. I think it's interesting that he's become so vitriolic towards Axl recently. He's given Axl accolades in the past but clearly dislikes him (hard to blame Niv imho) but this latest batch of interviews has me scratching my head wondering what the reasoning behind such an outburst is. It's uncharacteristically excessive - there's no reason to drag Axl so much if he's simply responding to Goldstein. It makes me wonder if Duff and Slash have cut Niven out of the loop at the (presumed) behest of Axl. Either way, his comments on Axl/DC seem to suggest a man who is losing his marbles.
  10. In a web posting on December 11, 2008, Axl claimed that he sought ownership of the band’s name as protection because their then manager, Alan Niven, “was always trying to convince someone they should fire me”. He added: “As I had stopped speaking with him he sensed his days were numbered and was bending any ear he could along with attempting to sell our renegotiation [with record company Geffen] out for a personal pay day”. In his first full length magazine interview printed in the next issue of Classic Rock, Alan Niven refutes Rose’s allegations and gives new insights into life behind the scenes with GN’R. Of Axl’s claim that Niven tried to personally benefit from the Geffen renegtiation, the manager claims that, rather than being fuelled by greed he “paid millions to get Axl out of my life”. Niven claims that he had “a 17% commission in perpetuity [ie that] anything released, mastered or negotiated during the term of my contract was commissionable forever… Axl fired me in ’91. Now that means that the sales of Appetite, Lies and Use Your Illusions were all commissionable. Forever. To get Axl out of my life I sold those rights back to the band for $3.5 million. I did not want to deal with him again. Now that’s a decent chunk of change, but Geffen had only paid royalties on about five million albums total at that time. Imagine how much I had still coming. [Appetite For Destruction alone has sold 30 million copies.] The settlement I took is not nearly anywhere close to what I was due and had earned.” In fact, Niven claims that Axl waited until the manager had renegotiated the deal before firing him. “As regards his remark about me getting a payday from Geffen from renegotiations – let’s get some more facts straight. I have a right to defend myself against this guy. “Firstly, both the managers of Aerosmith and Whitesnake tried to get renegotiations on existing contracts around this time and failed. I think I am the only person to leverage a re-negotiation out of David Geffen on an existing contract… Their royalty rates were increased by 30%. There were other refinements. Better advances, etc. But since when I was fired I sold my rights back to the band I did not benefit from this re-negotiation.” “Furthermore, I had their merch deal redone, and their sub-publishing deal redone. They were due. …I also got the first major headline tour in place. Then I was fired. Nice.” “As for his claim I was trying to get him fired because he wasn’t talking to me, that is an absurd invention. He didn’t talk to me after the incident in Phoenix in ’88 when his failure to show caused a riot. He didn’t talk to me when I refused to cancel the Aerosmith tour. I was banned from that tour for a month. Many was the time Axl would send me to Coventry.” While Axl claims he sought rights to the name to protect his position in the band from Niven, the former manager suggests that he was fired so that Axl could wrestle control of GN’R: “What I find interesting is that after I was fired, by his own admission, Axl took the band name as part of the Geffen renegotiation. I believe he got rid of me to do that, amongst other things. I think that he always intended to take total control. And he knew I would not stand for such a move. I could be wrong, but I rather think there you have it. “Axl always had a problem that I made it clear that I represented the interests of all five members of the band, not just and exclusively his.” http://chinese-democracy.blogspot.com/2009/01/alan-niven-responds-to-axls-homework.html
  11. Great post. I agree with you that neither manager was ultimately effective in managing Axl (an unmanageable talent). You bring up the Illusion album delays as proof of Niven's ineffectiveness to manage Axl. Perhaps. It could also be argued that Niven firmly held his ground and would not cede control to Axl. He refused a policy of appeasement while yes-man Goldstein agreed to anything to keep his star happy at the expense of the band. So both failed to "manage" the redhead but one manager seems to have approached the situation much more sensibly than the other when looking back on the events that unfolded afterwards. We disagree in so far as I think Niven would have handled the shifting circumstances of the band far differently than Goldstein. Niven would have fought tooth and nail to not let Izzy and Slash leave the band, even if it meant Axl would have to make concessions - something that I doubt DG did (as the presence of those two original members threatened his standing in the band and w/ Axl). Yes, neither Niven nor Goldstein can be characterized as all good or all bad, but I think it's disingenuous to claim that these two can be equated similarly when Niven's actions have resulted in numerous positive outcomes for the band compared to Goldstein. The band members themselves (sans Axl) value Niven as a manager far more than Goldstein. Doesn't that speak volumes of where they stand after the dust has cleared? As far as DG and Niv co-managing the band - Niven appears to have far more power in the band than DG from '87 to his firing in '91. I don't recall Duff/Slash's books elevating DG to Niven's status during the years they were apparently co-managing. Not saying that you aren't right about their band designations but it would seem that Niven was in charge of the higher level decisions and DG was handling the lower level duties. I think Niven was far more shrewd in managing GnR as a brand - aside from Azoff, I think he had the strongest business acumen of the lot of GnR's litany of useless managers. What sets Niven apart from DG for me is that DG managed Axl (as Duff himself put it) while Niven managed GnR. Niven is a kooky, opinionated nutbar who frequently saw himself as a 6th member of GnR. He had his drawbacks. But Goldstein behaved in a much more self-interested fashion that proved to hasten the band's demise - something that Niven may have delayed had he been allowed to manage GnR through the 90's. A lot of the intra-band drama was heightened by DG and I believe he deliberately tried to play one against the other and checkmate certain band members to ensure his contract would continue to get renewed. I don't think it's an accident that Izzy quit so soon after Niven was booted out. Nor do I think it was an accident that DG's contract was renewed in the mid-90's once Axl had gained legal control of the band name. Putting Niven and Goldstein on the same level is simply a false equivalency imho. Calling them both self-interested managers with their own agendas seems fair - though one acted far more in self-interest than the other, that much is also clear.
  12. Tommy needed the money...badly. And he's been really upfront about that fact over the years. Iirc, he was working as a telemarketer to make ends meet before getting the GnR gig. It also appears he was the primary bully of the band - him and Del did not want Bucket in the band and were jealous of how much time Axl was spending with Bucket if rumors are to be believed. And then there was Finck who felt he should be the primary lead guitarist and resented Buckethead's prominence in the inner circle. The band politics of the late 90's - mid 00's essentially revolved around who could jockey enough face-time with the redhead. At the end of the day, aside from Bucket and Finck, the rest of the "band" were basically just collecting paychecks. If they had talent and options (Bucket, Finck, Freese, Brain), they left for greener pastures soon after they realized the emperor had no clothes and Nu Guns was doomed.
  13. Right. Thanks for the clarification, I had overlooked that. Niven did get them to their first stadium gig though Didn’t get an awful lot done after 1991, now did they? By contrast I took an unwanted band to Wembley Stadium, my last act being putting that London show on sale. https://metalheadzone.com/ex-guns-n-roses-manager-alan-niven-reacts-to-claims-of-cast-spells-on-axl-rose/ I think it was a smart decision on Niven's part to book that tour prior to the albums being released though after Axl didn't meet the original album release date. That tour helped keep the momentum going for the band prior to the albums releasing and it arguably ended up being the strongest leg of the Illusion tour imho from a performance/credibility standpoint. I may be way off on this but didn't DG get fired in part for booking the 2002 tour without Axl's knowledge (or so he claims)? An ironic twist if that's indeed the case.
  14. Fair enough. Was anything I said factually inaccurate? I guess I could have added to the Doug column that the NR video debuted in his era (a plus/minus depending on your taste) and he was a good tour manager who cleaned up the mess Axl left behind on the Illusion tour. Any other highlights from his mid-91 till 2002 tenure that I missed? What do you base this off of? What is it about Niven's managerial style that leads you to believe those events would have taken place under his watch? 1. Izzy was close to Niven. It's unlikely that Stradlin' would have quit in the fashion he did with Alan running things. 2. Niven did not let Axl wrestle legal control of the name from Slash and Duff during his tenure. The legal shenanigans of Axl came during the Goldstein era. 3. He had a much sharper business acumen than Goldstein. The stadium tour and Geffen renegotiation were in large part effected by Niven. The band very likely could have broken up with Niven running things. But they had a much better chance for survival under his stewardship imho. Poppycock. Goldstein took a band at its apex and ran it into a cliff with Axl. They were active for exactly 2 years during his tenure while finishing out the Illusion tour before becoming dormant. Nobody in the band even mentioned DG at the RRHOF ceremony. If he was that much of an asset surely Duff or Slash would have name-dropped him as they did with Niven?