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  1. If my thoughts about Slash and Duff have changed, it's for the better. Same thing with Axl. They all seem to have matured in a good way cause they managed to bury their hatched. And not only that they seem to respect each other in a way they never did before. In the past Slash used to talk to the press what ever he had on his mind, which led to a lot of bad blood between him and Axl. In the past it felt like they were competing against each other and sometimes Axl seemed jealous of Slash's sideprojects. Now they feel much more like a team. Duff seems much more diplomatic than I ever knew he was. He's probably the main reason why we even have a reunion. So yeah, I respect that they have grown as people. I just wish that they'd release some music.
  2. First Single Guesses?

    My prediction is that it'll be a brand new song. I'm guessing that they might want to start with a single that's written by the big 3. Of course Hard School is a good guess too, cause it was on the setlist. But I really think that they were considering playing it only cause it leaked. Not because it was supposed to be the new single. I love Atlas Shrugged, but I doubt it'll be a single. I avoided listening to Soulmonster, so I can't really comment on that. As far as I know none of us has heard The General either, so... Well based on the intro that we've heard, I'd say it might be too epic for a single. I'd guess it's probably a pretty long song, but then again how should I know.
  3. I agree! I didn't say that. For Axl they are in general easier though. Depends how you define lower register. No, AC/DC doesn't have It's So Easy type songs, but Brian songs are full of, what I'd call lower mid range parts. Axl's lower mid-range is pretty raspy still. Madagascar is a good example of that. But when he has to sing in a higher register than that, he has to scream in order to sound raspy. Brian Johnson songs go straight from that lower mid range chest voice to screaming. That's why those songs are perfect for Axl. Rock the Rock is similar. But a big part of GNR songs like for example SCOM require higher pitched singing. There's absolutely none of that in Brian songs. All the higher pitched vocals in Brian songs are pure screaming. Axl can't use the screaming voice in SCOM cause it's a ballad. Besides the melodies are a bit too complicated for screaming. But lyrics like "Back in black/ I hit the sack" are like made for screaming. They're short bursts of screaming. So that's why Axl sounds good on AC/DC songs but in many GNR songs he sounds like Mickey. If the only reason why Axl doesn't sound like in 2010 is because he's trying to preserve his voice, then how come he's constantly trying to sing with rasp. Every time in GNR concerts when his voice goes to lower mid range, Axl's trying to sing with rasp. He's forcing rasp out of his mouth every chance he gets. Why would he do that, if he's not motivated? You'd think that he would just sing everything clean if it was a choice. No, he uses rasp when he's able to. But he can't sing with rasp in high register anymore unless he screams.
  4. I never thought that saying Axl's 2016 voice is overrated would stir so much conversation. I'll try to respond quickly to these. This might be my last message here cause I don't have enough time. My point is that it may have been a bad show compared to other shows of it's time, but looking back at it now it had some really great performances in it. People remember 2012 in a much worse light than it actually was. Axl's voice was about as good in 2012 as it was in 2016. That's my point! That's besides the point. Or you know, I wasn't personally talking about anything else but his voice. Like I said, he was clearly running, dancing, jumping and in general moving around much more in 2012, so you could make an argument that he had more attitude back then. But in the end the whole attitude thing is just a matter of opinion and I'm more interested about facts. Plus I was talking about his voice. Changing the way you sing these iconic songs is more difficult than one might think. Would SCOM sound better with his natural voice? Maybe, but he would have to sing it in a lower key then. Would fans be happy if he'd sing it in lower key? I don't know. But I do agree that they should do something to make the setlist fit Axl's voice better. In my opinion the best solution would be to release a new GNR album full of songs that are easy for Axl to sing. Then they could fill the setlist with those songs. I've been asking for some concrete examples of how his voice was better in 2016 compared to 2012, so this got me interested. I actually used a stopwatch to see which Jungle screams were longer. The ones from 2012 or the ones from 2016. The longest Jungle scream that I found from 2012 was 13,5 seconds (Appetite for Democracy). Pretty much every other Jungle scream that I found from 2012 was 11,5 seconds long. The longest Jungle scream that I found from 2016 was 21 seconds (Las Vegas) But half of the Jungle screams in 2016 were about 6 seconds long. So you're right, the longest screams in 2016 are longer, but then again 2016 also had plenty of super short screams that didn't exist in 2012. I think this is because the 2016 shows were more improvised. In 2012 they had a certain way of playing it at every show so the scream was almost every time 11,5 seconds long. Slash's way of playing is more improvised and because of this Axl also improvised more and the length of the scream was very inconsistent. So I don't think that there was a difference between Axl's vocal capabilities in 2012 and 2016. Technically he was equally good both years, but it's really a matter of taste which one you prefer. I really don't have the answer to that. I agree that his raspy singing seemed super effortless in 2010 and I guess his voice was just in great condition back then. But something happened to his voice. Is it just a symptom of aging or was it something more concrete than that? I wonder if even Axl knows what happened?
  5. What era though? Calling 2012-2014 an era of Axl's voice is like calling 2016-2020 an era of Axl's voice. No, Axl sounded pretty good in 2016 compared to now. Likewise Axl sounded pretty good in 2012 compared to 2014. Well in 2014 he sucked until his voice was great again in those Vegas shows. It seems like people remember 2012 as being much worse than it actually was. Probably cause people were still expecting him to sound like he did in 2010. Now they remember that the whole 2012-2014 era sounded mostly like early 2014, which couldn't be farther from the truth. Similarly people remember 2016 as being better than it actually was cause they compare that era to early 2014 and now. In reality Axl's voice was pretty similar in 2012 and 2016. I don't remember what people thought of that HOB 2012 show back in the day. I wouldn't be surprised if it was considered bad cause people still compared everything to 2010. But looking back at it now. Oh Boy, there's some really great performances there. The scream on LALD for example is longer than in Vegas 2016 and I wouldn't say that it's any less powerful either. So if that's what Axl sounded like when he had a cold back then, how good were the average shows then? Slash's playing certainly gives the song a different kind of attitude. I give you that. Other than that I don't really know if I get what you're saying. Like I said in another post, it's clear that Axl was more energetic back in 2012 cause he was younger. It's something that you can objectively measure. He was dancing, moving, running and jumping more back then. So it's perfectly understandable if someone would say that he had more attitude back then because he was more energetic. At the same time he seems perhaps a bit happier in 2016, so he definitely has a different kind of attitude in 2016. Which one is a better attitude kinda feels like a matter of taste. At the end of the day when we're talking about these kind of things then we're really grasping at straws. My point was that Axl's voice wasn't drastically better in 2016 compared to 2012. If he had slightly more attitude or not doesn't really make his voice drastically better anyway. I watched the only videos I found when I wrote My Michelle 2012 on Youtube. At least Milano 2012 and HOB 2012 seem to be on Youtube. They're not perfect examples of his voice cause Sebastian Bach is also singing there. But on the parts that Axl sings, he sounds pretty much the same as in 2016. I mean you're not wrong in the sense that of course he wanted to prove something and because of that he gave it his all for AC/DC. He would have sounded worse if he didn't give a fuck. BUT, that doesn't change the fact that those songs are also much easier for him to sing in general and there's 0% of chance that Axl could sound great for a full GNR set if he really worked on it, as long as they play songs like SCOM, NR, Better, RQ etc... His higher mid-range hasn't been good enough for that since 2010 and his voice seems to be going worse all the time. So how on earth do you think he could do it? That's like saying that YOU could sing a full GNR set with rasp if you really worked on it. No you can't cause you don't have the voice for it and neither does Axl. It's not as simple as screaming=rasp. His lower voice is also still good. He can still sing with rasp when he's using his lower mid range. Madagascar is one example of this. Better on the other hand is a song that's mostly right between his lower mid-range and higher mid-range. So often it's a weird mess of rasp and Mickey. When his voice was better in 2016, the range of his raspy singing voice was also bigger. Rocket Queen is another song that jumps between the lower mid-range and higher mid-range a lot. So it's usually a mix of raspy and clean vocals. So yeah, if Axl would start to get his voice back, you could hear it in these songs that are between his lower mid-range and higher mid-range. But I have 0% hope that Axl could ever sing a song like SCOM that's mostly higher pitched mid-range with a fully raspy voice again. 2010 is never coming back. At best we could have vocals similar to 2012 and 2016, but that may never happen again either.
  6. That couldn't be farther from a fact. I just watched a bunch of performances from 2012. They're raspy as hell. I seriously can't say which ones are raspier 2012 performances or 2016 performances. That's just a straight up lie! I just watched a lot of videos from 2012 and was really surprised about how energetic he was back then. You can see that he's younger and making the kind of moves that probably would have broke his bones 2016. The way he leaned back back then when he screamed. It's almost like he was defying gravity. He was dancing, jumping and running around much more than in 2016. He even did the kick in It's So Easy back then. I mean this is not even a contest. In 2012 he was more energetic.
  7. First of all saying that he improved on certain songs compared to 2012-2014 doesn't really say much. Sure he improved if we compare his voice to his early 2014 voice. He sucked then. But then he was great again in the last Vegas shows of 2014. 2012-2014 is a long time frame. So how exactly was This I Love better in 2016 compared to 2012? What are these noticeable improvements that you're talking about? You'd think that if they're so noticeable I wouldn't even have to ask. If we're talking about rasp, the Appetite for Democracy performance of TIL sounds at least as raspy to me as the 2016 performances. The House of Blues version from 2012 just might be raspier than any version from 2016. And the scream in LALD seems to be longer and stronger in the House of Blues version than in any version from 2016. So how exactly is LALD better in 2016? WTTJ was mostly raspy both in 2012 and in 2016, so what is the noticeable difference? It's difficult to find videos of My Michelle and Out Ta Get Me from 2012-2014, but I found one from 2012. Axl sounds just as strong there as he did in 2016. In other words full of rasp and power. You can't just say that there's noticeable improvements if you don't give any examples of what these noticeable improvements are. You know what is a 100% fan made myth? The idea that the only reason why Axl sounded better with AC/DC is cause he gave a fuck. No we've had this discussion before. Brian Johnson songs go straight from Axl's lower mid-range to screaming. That's why those songs are in general easier for him. He's always raspy when he screams and it's much easier for him to sing in his lower mid-range voice compared to his higher mid-range. Most GNR songs are full of higher-mid range singing. That's why he sounds like Mickey. Sure, AC/DC songs have some moments that are difficult for Axl, if he tries to sing them perfectly. Especially Hell's Bells has those super high notes. That's why Axl said that it's the hardest song he's sung. They have some difficult notes here and there, but in general they're way easier for him. That's my point. You say that he stopped caring after 2016. Still 2016 had some very bad GNR performances. You gotta admit that it's not because Axl wouldn't care, but because he just can't do it. He can't sing certain songs with rasp. It's not possible for him. Most AC/DC songs are in this sense easier for him. They go from lower mid range straight to screaming which is ideal for Axl's voice. So yeah, Axl's voice doesn't seem to be drastically better in 2016 compared to 2012 and AC/DC songs are in general easier for him to sing than GNR songs.
  8. Axl's voice in 2016 is super overrated simply because it was the first time people heard Axl sing AC/DC properly and they were blown away by it. In reality though there's no reason to think that he wouldn't have sounded equally good on those songs if he had sang them at some point earlier. We all know that AC/DC songs are WAY easier for Axl to sing, but we can't really compare his AC/DC performances from different years cause he didn't sing AC/DC in 2012. Except Whole Lotta Rosie and Riff Raff. Those sound about the same in 2012 as they did in 2016. Same thing with GNR performances. Just listened to WTTJ from Appetite for Democracy and then a WTTJ performance from 2016. Both were pretty good. Then I listened to a Rocket Queen performance from both years. Both were pretty weak. Now this isn't a subject that I would have dived deep into. Haven't compared every single song from these years. But on a quick glance there just doesn't seem to be a major difference in his voice between these years. If he was better in 2016, he wasn't drastically better.
  9. Yeah, 2016 is definitely overrated. It wasn't like 2006, when everyone though that his voice was gone and suddenly he comes back with his trademark voice. No, 2016 was more like... it's not as bad as it could have been. But he wasn't drastically better in 2016 than what I remember him sounding like in 2012 for example. He might actually have been better in 2012, but I'm too lazy to actually start comparing. Early 2014 was pretty bad, but he was pretty good again in those last Vegas shows of 2014. So overall it wasn't really a surprise that Axl sounded decent in 2016. The question is, will Axl sound like he did in 2016 ever again? Who knows? It's not totally out of the question even if I'm a bit skeptical at this point. But the 2010 voice will never come back.
  10. I prefer the vocals of the album version. You actually feel his pain when you listen to it. The remix version is emotionless. It's technically nice and you gotta love the rasp. But it sounds like he's just jamming there. No pain in his voice whatsoever.
  11. The Joker

    I mean I understand that the Joker in this movie doesn't please all the comic book purists etc. Then again the purists don't even want a backstory for the Joker to begin with so this movie could never have been their cup of tea. Personally I'm glad that we have so many different and great intepretations of this iconic character. I grew up with the cartoon Joker. As I've grown older I've started to appreciate realism more and more and I'm glad that I've got to see more and more realistic versions of my favorite villain. Hopefully the comic book purists will get a movie with a larger than life version of Joker in a not too distant future. Personally I'm more interested about Joker 2 honestly.
  12. The Joker

    Just because someone comes from a rich family doesn't mean he's not a loser. Rich people are often spoiled and completely out of touch with reality. They think that life is unfair cause they don't get everything that they want. Maybe their parents never had time for them. But they're often losers. Terrorists in general think that they've been treated unfairly and that's why they feel that they're terror attacks are justified. I never said that the life of these Roman emperors, kings and dictators would have been similar to Arthur Flecks. But they have all masturbated alone in a dark room. That's my point. They're not as mythical as people imagine them to be. They're not some genius masterminds, but a lot of the time they just happen to be born in the right family. In other words they're in the right place at the right time. What you don't seem to understand is that this movie never claimed that Arthur Fleck started a revolution. People were already rebelling and Arthur just became the face of the revolution because he happened to be in the right place at the right time. There's plenty of losers who inspire people though. Some people idolize school shooters. I really don't understand your point. The people who saw Arthur Fleck on TV have never seen any other side of him. They just see a man who says the right words and does something shocking to became the face of the rebellion. He becomes a mythical legend. When we talk about larger than life people, the public image of them is much more important than who they actually are. No legend in the history of mankind has ever actually lived up to their reputation. Some more than others, but that's besides the point. This is not a film about how Joker started a revolution. This is a film about how Joker became the face of a revolution. By accident. And they could make a very interesting sequel to this one, showing how Joker manages to keep the illusion that people have about him alive. I don't know what some people would have wanted from a Joker movie, so that they could call it a real Joker movie. A totally unrealistic movie about some mastermind who for some reason dresses like a clown doesn't sound exciting to me. I prefer realistic movies.
  13. The Joker

    He's obviously not going to be any larger than life, supernatural essence of chaos. This is after all a realistic take on the Joker. People who become "evil" are pretty much always losers in real life. They always feel that the world has treated them unfairly and that's how they justify their selfishness. So if you're gonna make a realistic portrayal of the Joker, there's really no other way than to make him more or less a loser. This movie made a marvelous job in portraying how a mentally ill weirdo dressed as a clown could become a hero to so many. Not because he's such mastermind, but because he happened to be in the right place at the right time. At the end of the movie Joker has become a symbol of hope and rebellion to many people. Just like heroes in real life, Joker doesn't actually live up to his mythical status. They could easily make an interesting sequel to this. Now that Joker has this mythical status, he can easily assemble a gang of criminals. He only needs a couple of close henchmen who ever actually get to meet him. Everyone else just follow the orders of the henchmen. Because of the hierarchy, nobody ever gets to meet Arthur and so his mythical status stays intact. Obviously Arthur would become more experienced and confident throughout the years, but deep down he would always be the troubled mentally ill guy from this first movie. He just learns to cope with his problems better. Every legendary hero who's ever lived has masturbated alone in a dark room. Nobody is really as mythical as people imagine. This is a theme that these movies could explore even more. You don't need to be some kind of a mastemind or even super talented to become a legend. Sometimes you only need to be in the right place at the right moment.
  14. I'm not gonna vote, cause I haven't listened to all of them. I'd rather listen to songs like Soulmonster with lyrics, when I hear them the first time. So don't wan't too many instrumental spoilers. That being said, I did listen to some of these. Gotta mention Dummy as a really positive surprise. But I liked Zodiac, Oklahoma, As It Began and Quicksong too.
  15. Happy Birthday Axl Rose

    Happy birthday Axl! Yes, we fans are sometimes frustrated about what's going on with GNR. At the end of the day we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Hope you feel inspired and the next album is shaping up nicely. And thanks for all the music you've made!
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