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  1. To be fair to Fernando with the 'move on' stuff - It's not a shock that the band are upset about illegal leaks and its definitely not unheard of for the management of a band to refuse to discuss leaks. He could be a lot more direct about it and just say that he won't discuss them but we all know how he is. That's the only thing I can defend him on though.
  2. Why is it hard for some people to understand that some of us just don't like how Myles sounds? I've listened to all the albums, watched a large amount of live videos and then went and watched SMKC live in person and it just doesn't do anything for me. It has nothing to do with jealousy or whatever LMAO I will always pick Mickey because at the end of the day that's still Axl Rose and there's no one like him while there's a whole lot of artists like Myles Kennedy.
  3. The problem is that Mr. Robson in particular won't stop lying under oath and perjuring himself. He allegedly lied during MJ's trial back in 2005. Then just a few years back he sued MJ's estate and said a lot of things that he would later contradict in Leaving Neverland. One of his depositions from 2016 has been making the rounds online since last year and that single video alone contains at least 4 contradictions to things he says in the documentary that began filming shortly after. Is he telling the truth in court? Is he telling the truth to HBO? Is he telling the truth at all??? TV is well known for dramatizing things but when you are recounting details of your alleged childhood molestation, you need to stick to the facts and not embellish the story.
  4. Sadly. A lot of people aren't aware that the civil trial was approaching quickly while the criminal trial was lagging behind. He was going to have to give up his defense strategy just to save some money so he settled and waited for the criminal trial which ultimately never happened due to no evidence being found and Chandler's incorrect description. That situation inspired a change of law in California that dictates that a civil trial can no longer come before a criminal trial. The Chandler's also stopped cooperating with the police after receiving the settlement. I guess they didn't want MJ to go to prison because he never actually did anything. They got the payday and rode off into the sunset
  5. Very true. He also completely stopped being around any other children than his own after 2003. Which is very inconsistent behavior with what we understand about pedophiles. They cannot control those urges but the anti-MJ crowd seem to suggest that he somehow could.
  6. I watched it. It really shocked me how much Robson and Safechuck contradicted themselves from what they present to audiences vs what they say under oath. Not to mention the flat out lies in there (Abuse happening in the Neverland train station when it hadn't even been built yet, claiming to go on trips with MJ alone when Wade's entire family was with them, Robson claiming to being forced to testify by subpoena when he actually volunteered to defend MJ, ect). These are the kind of red flags that people need to look out for, when the story they are telling continues to evolve and contains details that are simply untrue. If anything good came from Leaving Neverland, it's that it was the breaking point for many to start doing their own research and it led to a decent sized backlash against these tired MJ allegations. Dan Reed hoped it would lead to a flood of kids coming out and saying MJ abused them but it never happened because the abuse didn't happen.
  7. I would never go around calling someone a pedophile without doing enough research to back up what I am saying. But I understand that many others don't have the same moral code. The whole thing about having to do a significant amount of reading is becoming less and less relevant to this case as new documentaries continue to surface, giving the general audience a quick and easy way to learn about the case. Square One on Amazon Prime keeps being mentioned in this thread and hopefully it continues to get more and more attention.
  8. Fair enough I suppose. As I've stated in this thread, the sleepovers were inappropriate for a grown man. He was 100% in the wrong for doing that stuff. But it does not make him some sort of monster that should be shunned from history. It makes him a case study in what can happen to child stars forced to go through extreme trauma and have almost unlimited resources to try and re-do their childhood over again. He also serves as an example of what can happen when regular people are put in a situation where they can take advantage of a celebrity and exploit them for financial gain.
  9. I understand completely why people would look at the situation on the surface level and assume he was guilty. But why do so many people choose to not look any further? I can't think of anything worse you can call someone than 'pedophile'. It's an extremely serious allegation and therefore needs to be investigated thoroughly. He was investigated by several law enforcement agencies throughout his life and was cleared several times over. And then obviously went through the highly publicized trial where every little detail was discussed to death. And they determined that he was not guilty of any of the charges. Why do people ignore the outcome of the investigations? It doesn't make any sense to me.
  10. Yep. The trial in 2005 where he was acquitted of all charges. The one that came after the 93 allegations and the strip search that proved the boy's description wasn't even close. You can't charge someone with a crime when the alleged victim is shown to be completely fabricating their description. MJ slept relatively normally from 2005 to 2008. He spent his time working on music and raising his children. The sleeping problems that killed him only began to creep up when This Is It was on the horizon. You would know that if you did a little bit of research into the man instead of acting like you know everything.
  11. And let me just say for the sake of the discussion, I think that MJ having these sleepovers with children was very inappropriate and wrong for a grown man. But it does not make him a pedophile. He never hung around children again after the trial which is inconsistent behavior with that of a pedophile. Not to mention him being acquitted and cleared by the FBI on top of all else
  12. I have read a significant amount of the court documents related to the MJ allegations and I can tell you that at no point did he continually share a bed with a child for an extended period of time. He would occasionally give his bed to children staying as guests at Neverland while he would sleep on the floor. But those situations would only go on for a few days at a time. Zutat is either misinformed or simply talking out of his ass. Your explanation for the timeline is definitely plausible.
  13. This might be the first time I've seen someone argue that a trial and the evidence presented during a trial shouldn't matter at all because everyone already "knows" that the person is guilty. Very frightening mindset. I hope you never go through any false allegation in your life, because by your logic you will be guilty regardless of the outcome of a trial.
  14. So sad to see people here that have done no research into MJ. It's pretty damn obvious that the man was being extorted throughout his life and didn't actually do anything. People here have pointed out documentaries and resources that back it up but there's no way to try and change the minds of people that won't listen in the first place. That Zutat quote is completely inaccurate. No such court document exists. The whole timeline of Axl being mad at Slash for working with MJ doesn't make any sense because no one had ever said a peep about MJ being inappropriate with kids until years after Slash started working with him.
  15. This is why he never should have married his manager. She definitely got an incredible deal in that divorce.