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About toroymoi

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  1. I mean there's clearly more to it, but I was just making the general point.
  2. It terms of gun violence and violence in general, I think it's important to understand in terms of improving the socialisation and societal pressures centred around men and violence. Acknowledging there's a problem is the first step, the rest come with tackling the issue.
  3. I feel like gender is something people don't want to address too much in these situations... there is a very obvious problem in regards to men and their relationship with violence.
  4. Once politicians get that NRA funding out of their pockets, maybe even the slightest effort could be made. The victims are the many killed in mass-shootings, not your rights according to an outdated 2nd amendment.
  5. How would him being of Spanish-descent mean he wouldn't be part of a white supremacy group?
  6. This thread was definitely a vile read.
  7. US Politics/Elections Thread

    I think there's some responsibility in the message your art promotes though. I believe in freedom of speech, but it must also be examined how certain speech or art does ultimately lead to physical harm. Eminem may not be solely responsible, but he did/does contribute to a culture or societal norm that functions against victims by treating very serious topic as jokes (and without nuance to those 'jokes'). This is what I meant by the victims not being the punchline.
  8. US Politics/Elections Thread

    I think all things contribute in some way, my problem with Eminem being heralded for being anti-Trump is all the things I mentioned. I just find it disingenuous and hypocritical for some to say they hate Trump for his misogyny, but then turn around and praise someone like Eminem (who has profited off music exhibiting that same misogyny) for doing the least/acting like he said anything profound (when he basically just reiterated what many women, POC, and especially what WOC were saying before Trump was even elected). I think many musicians, artists, directors, movies, music, tv shows etc contribute to an uncaring culture lacking empathy. To me, as someone who was a young kid when Eminem was at his peak, I see the present effects of his music more so than some other artists. I even see it in myself, as someone who was exposed to his music at a young age, how his music warped my perception of other girls/women for a long time. I don't believe hip-hop heads make up a lot of Trump fans, but I'm willing to bet Eminem's fanbase contains a higher number than average. I don't mind certain themes used in music or film etc, as long as they're used well. For example, I think abuse is portrayed well in Stan by Eminem because it's more of a conscious look at the topic, rather than mocking victims of abuse. There's rape scenes in movies that I find to be exploitative, but there's a few that are done in a way that I feel doesn't exploit or sexualise the victim (and those are definitely few). For most of Eminem's music, I don't find that element of narrative discouragement to exist, and that's without getting into my questioning of why a grown man is using "schoolyard" humour for his music anyway. It's pretty much the same as my view on rape or abuse jokes, they can be funny but too many of them make the victim the punchline, and I don't think that's a good thing to promote. I think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this front.
  9. US Politics/Elections Thread

    Did I say lock them up? No I didn't, I said women aren't taken at their word, and that is true. I didn't ask for my abuser to be locked up, I asked for people to listen to me and to hear me out, which a lot didn't. By women not being taken at their word, I was talking about people who automatically assume the accused person's innocence, instead of even considering that the victim is what they say. Nowhere did I say that everyone should assume guilt for the accused.
  10. US Politics/Elections Thread

    Except that is very much true. There are some who will, but from what I've noticed and my experience, there's more who don't believe you based on just your word or they try to discredit you being a victim at all because they don't want to believe you. It's especially true if the man who hurt you has good public standing or a good reputation, a man who does charity work, a man who "would never do something so horrible". https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/10/the-psychology-of-victim-blaming/502661/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11409210/Drunk-or-flirty-rape-victims-often-to-blame-says-survey.html
  11. US Politics/Elections Thread

    He's normalised a passive and joking attitude towards rape and abuse for an entire generation, his words may not be literal, but the effect of those words aren't negated by his intention. As I said, he built his career off a violent and hateful attitude towards women (and the LGBT community), so for him to voice his opinion like this is his right, but I won't applaud him. If I'm honest, I would say he's helped contribute to the culture that allowed someone like Donald Trump to be viewed as less harmful in the eyes of a lot of people in the first place. I can't listen to a song like Kim and not hear a legitimate hatred and intentioned violence against women, sorry if you feel differently.
  12. US Politics/Elections Thread

    The fact that Weinstein went after girls/women who were from prominent families in entertainment such a Angelina Jolie, Gwyneth Paltrow, and Léa Seydoux shows that he knew his power meant something. It's easy to say "I can't believe she'd let that happen" when you're not in that situation yourself, when you, an otherwise strong and confrontational person is put in a position of vulnerability and submissiveness. The story you mentioned about Natalie Wood is just one reason women choose to keep quiet. As a young and aspiring actress, hell even as a woman in the general world, there is an unspoken pressure to 'grin and bear it'. From a young age, when I was 9 years old and told this grown man to stop staring at me because it was making me uncomfortable, I was told to "not make a scene". Women who come forward about abuse they've suffered aren't taken at their word by everyone, even now Weinstein has people defending him and calling these women liars, same goes for Cosby, and the same goes for countless other men accused of the same or similar acts. Coming forward means a slew of hatred, coming forward means the loss of a career you've sacrificed for, it means the loss of a career that will provide for your family, it means your name and reputation being dragged through the mud and discredited, it means possible police investigation, it means a possible trial where a lawyer will pick apart your words and manipulate you into seeming like a liar, it will mean accusations of being a gold digger, it will mean accusations that you're trying to ruin an innocent man's life, you're a "feminazi" who hates men, you're upset because he turned you down... you're everything but a victim, and he's everything but your abuser. That's not even factoring in the psychological effects of harassment or abuse, which I can tell you from experience, is not easy to accept or deal with in your mind. It took me about 15/16 years (when I'd turned 20) to be honest with myself and even begin to accept that I'd been abused, now I was a kid, but the multiple instances of harassment throughout my teens and adulthood also left psychological effects that I need to also deal with (and those men weren't ones with power over my career/livelihood).
  13. US Politics/Elections Thread

    A man who made his career off the back of misogyny and rape threats? He can pick the mic back up.
  14. American Horror Story:Cult

    Idk, voting for Jill Stein is pretty stupid.