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It honestly amazes me that people cannot simply enter a thread and leave their personal baggage at the door. This thread is about Slash appearing at the Oscar's, preforming a song he recorded guitar for.. Not sure what Guns N Roses has to with this, nor it's management or what color clothing was worn.. It's an apples and oranges comparison anyway.... Can we not simply enjoy Slashs appearance and realise this is a good thing for all involved including rock music... The guy looked every bit a rock star...in a day and age dominated by pop and hop hop artists in the mainstream domain. The picture with Robert Downey and Bradley Cooper in conversion with Slash, and the look on each of their faces, they both were star struck..
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Not sure we're you have been hiding, but the music industry and artists make money from touring, not selling albums or via streaming services. Guns N Roses have no control over the music industry and we're the revenue lies via supply and demand. The supply and demand from the paying public is in buying tickets to watch an artist's live performance, not going to a record store to buy a record or CD. I cannot understand, why people as yourself take issue with the money the band is making, when they are simply following a change in the way the music industry operates today.. The people that control the music industry today, are the likes of Live Nation,Danny Wimmer Presents and other concert promotors around the world including those who promote music festivals. They are offering guaranteed income to the artists. The artist gets paid regardless of how many tickets are sold and the promotor takes the financial risk and covers all the costs. Universal Music, Sony Music and Warner Music aren't the power brokers of the music industry anymore.. They aren't going to sign artists up to multi million dollar record label deals because they won't get a return on that investment via album sales like they once did in the past. The artists aren't making money from album sales, so they are making money from preforming live to provide for themselves and their families. Why wouldn't the band go were the money is?. It seems stupid not to... Do you honestly think in today's music industry, Universal Music are going to pay Guns N Roses to occupy studios, have producers, techs, engineers and band members on retainer to sit around for years recording music like they did during the making of Chinese Democracy.
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The General Music Video Discussion Thread
kiwiguns replied to downzy's topic in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS
You are part of the problem. Why would a member of the bands management team be replying to anything related to the company that created the content for the music video. When has any members of the bands management team been involved in video or animation production?. Why even bring that into the conversation?. Given people on social media seem to be giving this company unwanted grief, are they not afforded a right of reply?. Have you ever considered this behavior might be effecting those people involved personally?. Do you think they wanted this type of nonsense directed towards them for doing their jobs?. Place yourself in their shoes, and see the situation from their prespective. They would be thinking how unhinged a section of the Guns N Roses fan base is, because of a music video... That's a sad reflection on those people, not the people behind the creation of a music video. To many people bring baggage into these threads that seems to cloud general common sense.. Come back to reality please. It's only a music video.. -
The General Music Video Discussion Thread
kiwiguns replied to downzy's topic in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS
To many people on this forum are still stuck in the past and that's the problem with many who post on this forum. It's not the 90s anymore... Music video directors don't exist anymore nor do record labels have the money to invest in a product that doesn't give them a financial return. The band have released a music video that fits in with the current state of today's music industry, including the cost factor and holding the copyrights to their own content. Some of you seem to think this music video was released to make some money. The music industry doesn't make any money anymore, hence a less cost effective alternative.. Thats why many artists today, release animation/lyric/live footage based music videos, or are remastering previously released albums. -
Did you ever think that in this case the record label and the artist aren't on the same page or in agreement. It's highly possible the record label pulled the, "you are contractually obligated" card and the artist wasn't in agreement nor wanted to cooperate for what ever reason. Its possible the artist simply did what was required, with minimal effort as the artist wasn't going to see any financial benefits compared to the record label. Artists don't make money via selling records or songs in today's music industry. The record labels aren't the power brokers in the music industry anymore. That power ended when people stopped buying records.. Live Nation, Danny Wimmer and other tour promoters are the music industry power brokers today.
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The bands management aren't involved in the creation of the music. There is no mention of the bands management listed in the song credits. The bands management team handels is business affairs. If you do some research the bands lists it's Artists and Repertoire representative. If you don't know what a A & R rep does, here is a general description. A&R is the division of a record label or music publishing company that is responsible for scouting and overseeing the artistic development of recording artists and songwriters.[1] It also acts as a liaison between artists and the record label or publishing company. Every activity involving artists to the point of album release is generally considered under the purview and responsibility of A&R. The current management of Guns N Roses have never listed themselves as anything other then handling the bands business affairs. You should be directing your frustration towards the record label, who have signed off on the official release of the finnshed product.. The record label is collecting the financial benefits of the Generals release..not the band nor it's management. The band is making its money via touring, as is every other artist in today's music industry.
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It's clear the record label are pushing this as they own the material recorded over 20 years ago, hence why it's older music featuring some members of the band at that particular point in time. The band are simply meeting an obligation. They aren't stupid and understand the record label are trying to get in on the money wagon as the record label aren't generating any financial income from the band touring. The band will release new music recorded by the current line up as they will have full control over that material.
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I think we need to take a step back and focus on the contents of the legal filling. Having read the legal filling, the core issues are copyright infringement under the Copyright Act and the other issue is under the California Fair Employment and Housing Act more specifically workplace sexual harassment. There are a number of business entities listed along with an individual as defendants. The Plaintiff is listed as an independent contractor, who at one point in time operated under a contract for services. Under the California Fair Employment and Housing Act an independent contractor is protected under the act if the employeer, employees more than five employees. The issues at hand are: # Who owns the material (the photos) and was the Plaintiff fairly compensated for work completed under the terms of a written contract or by general understanding (verbal agreements). # Did the employer provide a safe work environment under the terms of the California Fair Employment and Housing Act.
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11/05/23 - Toluca, MX - Hell and Heaven Fest
kiwiguns replied to alfierose's topic in 2023 Tour Dates
It's clear the reason why CD era songs are being released is because the record label owns that material. That's why we are getting old or recorded material from that era. As I have indicated previously, the band has the leverage, to control its own future and they are placing themselves in a position to do so either via a renegotiation with UMG under better terms or going independent via their own label. Axl won't return to the days of having a record label control all aspects of the material. Its clear the CD era experience broke him. The fact that the big 3 have remained together and the reunion tour has gone so well, Axl, Slash, Duff and Guns N Roses are In a very strong position to decided their own future path... -
11/02/23 - Los Angeles, CA - The Hollywood Bowl NIGHT 2
kiwiguns replied to alfierose's topic in 2023 Tour Dates
I am not sure why people continue to go back in time to compare the past to the present. Can any of us, look back in the past and still believe we are the same across many different aspects of our life's. As we get older our body changes... Axl's vocals of today are of a person who's changed, gotten older.. That's not going to change in the future. All that can be done is to manage what you have to persevere for longevity. For some reason, people seem to think Axl is super human and he is going to return to a past self.. You cannot compare others to Axl, as we are all different in many different ways. Vocal cords cannot be changed, replaced or de-tunned as a guitar string, a guitar or a snare drum. It is what it is.... and I think some of you need to develop an understanding of that concept.. -
You seem to think the band has control over this process. I put it to you that they don't and the process is being forced upon the band by the record label. We know for a fact, that the live era release was driven by the record label and individual band members stepped in to tidy up the mix as they weren't happy with what they had heard.. Perhaps interms of quality and video production has the signs of the band being fully involved in the process. I would not be surprised if the video content recorded by the band on tour used in the Perhaps video is exclusively owned by Guns N Roses. UMG are on the other side of the fence as the aren't making money from the band touring... To me, the record label are trying to get in on the money wagon, and the band have pushed back, via controlling the product, taking there time collectively (Axl, Slash and Duff) to make sure its right.
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Robin Finck online meet and greet
kiwiguns replied to Blackstar's topic in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS
Pretty sad how some of you seem to treat people, more so when it's clear none of you had actually taken the time to look into it. Robin isn't asking for $100.00. The online platform he is using, is asking for $100.00 to cover its business costs. It's clearly an online platform built for musicians and creative people to speak directly to fans about music and creativity and not a meet and greet. It's exactly what I would expect from Robin who always seems to be a person who is being creative and an interesting character to boot. If you are a guitar player and you are influenced by Robin's playing, it's a platform for you to ask direct questions about his influences, his style and his sound. I personally would be interested in Robin's pedal and rack set up for NIN live shows and how hard it is to incorporate that in the songs, riffs and beats Trent Reznor creates. It's funny, with people on this forum. There is another thread we're people are hammering Duff for going a standard media interview. And yet this platform that Robin is using allows us the fans to be the interviewer asking questions that you are seeking answers to... Go figure... -
A quick convo with Tommy
kiwiguns replied to HazednDazed's topic in GUNS N' ROSES - DISCUSSION & NEWS
Not sure we're you got that from, more so from a few simple words that came out of Tommy's mouth. Tommy has moved on in life, and generally things from the past hold no relevance to the future more so when you aren't involved in that relationship anymore. Tommy left the band to tend to family matters. I respect the man for that alone, as many of us fathers have left our jobs/professions for the same reason. I would suggest Axl respected that decision... Tommy strikes me as a person who knows, its not his place to speak about things, out of respect to others. Tommy was highly respected by all involved during the period he was involved in the band... Just relate some of this to general life. Would you want to talk about something that happened 20 years ago like a bad relationship/marriage break up, or a previous job and wouldn't you want to move on in life and out of respect to others involved, and to not open a new can of worms, wouldn't it be better, to just say nothing... -
I think the major issue is simply Axl, Slash and Duff don't want or need any outside influences to cause friction in relation to the personal relationships they have rebuilt. All 3 seem to get on well and they all seem at piece with each other, putting the past behind them having moved on. They all seem happy and content in life... It sounds so simple when people want to believe it's as easy as past band members turning up at rehearsals or in a studio and things will magically be recreated like back in 1987. When it comes to personal relationships, things are very different, more so as time goes by.