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  1. No, it was about Motorhead and Body Count. When Faith No More left the tour to do their own theater tour, Axl wanted Body Count as the opening band. Hetfield didn't want them and wanted Motorhead, so Body Count opened some of the shows and Motorhead opened the rest (Body Count was banned from some of the shows because of "Cop Killer").
  2. Interesting and... unexpected interview The article "Guns N' Neuroses" was in the September 1991 issue of Spin that was released just about 3 weeks before the release of the Illusion albums. The albums must have already been printed and packaged by then - or at least they were in the process of. So, although Axl seemingly had a problem with that article, it couldn't have been the reason for Bob being called out in Get In The Ring. Spin published the contract for the press in the June 1991 issue http://www.a-4-d.com/t3224-1991-06-dd-spin-magazine-no-appetite-for-criticism-guns-n-roses-contract-for-the-press and we know that the Get In The Ring rant was recorded in Toronto on June 6th 1991. That press contract wasn't something the band was secretive about, though. It was floating around since Rock in Rio, and the band had claimed (via Alan Niven) that it was aimed only at non-US publications, namely British ones. So, the publishing of the contract alone doesn't seem to me as enough of a reason for the attack to Bob Guccione Jr. I wonder if it had something to do with another article printed earlier in Spin and with the author Danny Sugerman (for those who don't know, Sugerman had worked with the Doors since he was very young and later he became their second manager; then he became a writer and wrote books on the Doors, most notably "No one gets here out alive"). Sugerman was interested in GnR and started writing a book, but, according to Alan Niven, the band was opposed and wanted nothing to do with it. At one point Sugerman had a conversation with Axl (mostly) and Izzy at a bar, and then wrote a story for Spin (which was also a preview for his then forthcoming GnR book) that was published in the November 1990 issue: http://www.a-4-d.com/t554-1990-11-dd-spin-magazine-bad-to-the-bone-axl In March 1991, Alan Niven did an interview with the L.A. Times, where he defended the press contract, and mentioned Sugerman's story in Spin as an example of the band's distrust towards the press: http://www.a-4-d.com/t2465-1991-03-17-interview-with-alan-niven-in-los-angeles-times A look at Spin’s feature story on Axl Rose, titled "Axl Comes Clean to Danny Sugerman," offers an intriguing glimpse at the often messy aftershocks of a celebrity profile. According to GNR manager Alan Niven, the piece was “full of inaccuracies and self-serving embellishments.” [L.A. Times, March 17, 1991] Sugerman, though, blamed Spin for editing his piece and misquoting both him and Axl: Danny Sugerman: “I don’t blame Alan for being upset. [...] Spin rushed the story out two months early and they totally misquoted Axl and me. They never showed me a final draft of" the piece, and they didn't make most of the corrections I’d suggested. In fact, they took sentences I’d written and put quotes around them and attributed them to Axl. Ϊ was livid about the whole thing.” [L.A. Times, March 17, 1991] L.A. Times asked for Bob Guccione Jr's comment on Sugerman's accusations: Bob Guccione Jr.: "Actually Danny came in wildly late with his piece. His story was the only story in later than mine. We only made so many changes because the piece wasn’t very well written. We never changed any of Axl’s quotes, not a single one. The only fixes we made were so Danny’s language would be more understandable. Afterwards we discovered that the best part of his story [an account of a police raid on Axl’s apartment] turned out to have been lifted' straight out of a People magazine story. So I had to run an apology in the next issue of Spin saying that we’d run portions of the People story without attributing it to them." [L.A. Times, March 17, 1991] Then there was some bickering between Alan Niven and Danny Sugerman. Sugerman fired back at Niven and Guccione Jr. and said that Niven was upset because Axl had spoken to him: Danny Sugerman: I’m not sure whether being called a liar by Alan Niven and Bob Guccione Jr., two of the sleaziest people in the music business—a business with no dearth of sleaze—is either the biggest insult or the highest compliment I’ve ever received. Despite such ambivalence, I’m prompted to inform readers that Guns N’ Roses manager Niven is upset because he couldn’t slop me from writing a book on his band and couldn’t stop Axl Rose from speaking with me or, for that matter, stop me from speaking with Axl, whom I found to be infinitely more sensible and intelligent than his manager. As for Guccione, all I can say is consider the source. We all know to what high moral standards this paragon of virtue aspires. [L.A. Times, April 7, 1991] Niven replied, saying that Axl, although displeased with Sugerman's piece in Spin, agreed to read Sugerman's book draft to check for inaccuracies: Alan Niven: In response to Danny Sugerman’s April 7 letter: 1— Two years ago, Sugerman contacted our (management company] expressing a desire to write a book about Guns N’ Roses. Our clients told us they wanted no part of it. Despite their wishes, Sugerman secured a contract from a publisher. Since our clients preferred to have any such volume compiled under other authorship, we were instructed to tell the publisher and Sugerman that they would be denied any access or endorsement. 2— As for Axl Rose’s meeting with Sugerman, Axl elected to deal with the inevitable. He decided out of responsibility to his following to read the manuscript in order to extinguish the inaccuracies he anticipated after Sugerman’s piece in Spin magazine. What's more, Axl is quite capable of recognizing an exploitative sycophant when he meets one. 3— In regard to Sugerman’s slur, I am prepared to have any aspect of my business investigated by anyone at any time. My firm prides itself on its integrity and ethics, and our reputation is unimpugned. Check with anyone who is actually a part of the business (as opposed to being an opportunistic parasite). [L.A. Times, April 7, 1991] A few months later, after Sugerman's book was released, Axl would confirm that he initially had a problem with the Spin article and Sugerman, but then Sugerman agreed to let him proof read his book and they were "friends now": Axl: I didn’t really ever do an interview with Danny [Sugerman]. Danny and I are friends now, but I talked to him for 15 minutes in a bar and that story came out in a magazine a few weeks later. [...] [The book] wasn’t authorized, but I proof read it ‘cause I got a copy right before it was about to come out, and I just went back and changed... Danny agreed and worked with me on just changing the facts, [like] if he said “Izzy and Slash” and it was actually Izzy and I. We changed those things. But I didn’t change any of his opinions. It’s a really interesting book and it’s kind of flattering to be, you know, compared, and have, like, this college thesis written about you, and your place in the world, and rock ‘n’ roll, and Greek mythology. But other than that I just wish it would’ve been more fun for people to read. [Rockline, November 27, 1991] So, since Axl was in good terms with Sugerman and he liked his book, he probably believed Sugerman's accusations against Bob Guccione Jr about the Spin piece and in general. (Slash, on the other hand, was furious about Sugerman's book: Then there’s an unauthorised biography by erstwhile Doors hagiographer Danny Sugerman, called Appetite For Destruction: The Days Of Guns N’Roses. “I’m gonna kill that guy,’’ fumes Slash. [The Guardian, September 12, 1991]) -------- Axl also said in 1991 that the rant was Duff's idea and Tom Zutaut endorsed it: Axl: "Get In The Ring" was a song that was… basically put together by Slash and Duff and… I came up with the… with the low vocal part. And Slash and I wrote that part together. We wrote different verses. And we wrote a whole song that when the whole band actually had the song together, the words didn't fit the arrangement of the song. And so, we were in Toronto, playing a show in Toronto. And we had one last song to re… to finish recording, that was "Get In The Ring". So, we went in the studio and just kind of started putting things together. And then Duffdecided that I should express my feelings about how we've been treated by the press, because that was his initial concept for the song, and that I should just go for it. And I was kind of like: "Are you sure? You sure I should do this?". And then Tom Zutaut, of Geffen, was there and he was like: "Go for it." So I got behind the mike and went for it. And everybody was really happy and we just decided to do it. [WNEW, September 9, 1991] He repeated that on Eddie Trunk in 2011 and also implied that it had to do with record label politics (favouring Rolling Stone over Spin) which he had no idea of at the time.
  3. Just for clarification, in regards to Axl's claims: He claimed that some of the stuff was his own direct memories, it didn't all come through regression therapy. And some of the things he said about the context of the story are facts that can be confirmed from other sources - unknown if they were among the stuff he had memories of or he was informed about it somehow (e.g. from members of his family). Maybe he had some real memories and some of them were "misled" which he believed as true. But definitely it isn't all a "made-up" story. It has also been implied that there's more to it than what he said. Personally I believe that something happened, not necessarily what he said, mainly because of the other things that have been implied which are more believable. But there can't be evidence for things like that. Anyway, I think he probably regretted that he went public about this because of the reaction and that's why he stopped talking.
  4. Well, the difference is that because, as you said, it was a very different type of society where this kind of relationship was acceptable - basically a socially accepted homoerotic relationship with certain rules: teenage boys (not younger children) and no anal sex - it wasn't traumatic for the boy, as it was considered a paedagogic/coming-of-age relationship.
  5. This isn't exactly the case with Axl, though, because he has tried to deny that he's had a mental illness.
  6. Axl had been prescribed medication for manic depression (lithium). This is at least an indication as far as his mental issues go, although no one here can determine what he had exactly. Then, in the Illusions period, he opted for (regression) therapy and other "alternative" treatments instead of conventional treatment, probably because he thought they worked better for him and made him feel better in dealing with what was wrong with him (as he himself had said, see quote from Musician magazine @SoulMonster posted above). As for the child abuse story he told, parts of it are true, documented in the local press at the time they happened (the kidnapping part and some other things about his father, who had some serious issues and his reputation was anything but good). The abuse part could have just been a "recreated" false memory that was "inserted" and mixed with real events through regression therapy - but who knows, really. (There's also the possibility that Axl told that story instead of another he didn't want to go public with or that he didn't tell the full story, because Tom Zutaut has mentioned a different abuse story that Axl hasn't talked about publicly). But what is relevant to this topic of discussion is that Axl believed that he was abused.
  7. He was also talking from the stage about Niven having booked the tour early, as well as about not being in the mood to play: Axl: I know you guys don’t wanna hear a lot of bullshit raps, so I’ll explain real quickly what we’re doing with these shows here. Due to the pressure from my – how should I say it – ex-manager, who wanted to make sure we toured and didn’t give a fuck to watch about when the record was done - so we’re out here before the record is done. But it’s a good thing. And we want to make sure that we are not ripping you people off and when we come out you get the most [...] [Richfield, OH, USA June 4, 1991] Axl: Due to an over-excited manager we’re out on tour. But that excited manager is now fired, so... I don’t mind so much being out on tour, but I would’ve liked to get my record done. And since we’ve all waited such a fucking long time, we figure we’ll play it on the tour whether you’ve heard it or not [...] [Landover, MD, USA June 20, 1991] Axl: We’ve been pairing the old and the new [songs], since we are out on this tour since we had an over-excited ex-manager, or rather greedy ex-manager. I love that word, “ex”. Ex-wife, ex-manager... [...] [Costa Mesa, CA, USA July 25, 1991] Axl: Have you ever been let down by – I don’t know – family, friends, something you wanted... or maybe just life in general. You know the mood I’m talking about; when something you like - maybe your friends were over or something you like comes on fucking TV... something you like, but you don’t care, cuz you’re just not in the mood, it doesn’t matter, you’ve been let down. I mean, it’s kind of like, this band, Nirvana, why this "Teen Spirit," why is this song such a success? People relate to being let down. They say, “Oh, why are you always late?” I don’t know, maybe I’m always in a bad fuckin’ mood about something. This is my life, this is my love, and sometimes it doesn’t mean anything to me, cuz I’m just too fucking bummed out. You know how that feels? You know how that feels, right? Sometimes there’s a lot of people trying to help make sure that you’re so fucking bummed out, that you can’t do something like have a rock show. [Chandler, AZ, USA February 1, 1992]
  8. GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

    I should have put a warning: "Listen with caution. It can't be un-heard."
  9. GNR Women's Discussion - Part 2

    I'm just gonna leave this here (21:10 mark) 23: 43 Only a couple of times, Slash? 28:56 You didn't go where, Slash?
  10. In a new interview with the German newspaper Die Welt, Slash said that there's "a lot of activity" going on towards a new album: https://www.welt.de/newsticker/news2/article189694615/Musik-Gitarrist-Slash-hofft-auf-neues-Guns-N-Roses-Album.html The full interview is here, but it requires a paid subscription to read it: https://www.welt.de/kultur/plus189677413/Slash-Guns-N-Roses-Zum-ersten-Mal-spuerte-ich-bei-unseren-Auftritten-so-etwas-wie-Intimitaet.html
  11. Axl was late for everything, not just the shows; interviews, any kind of appointments, etc. Craig Duswalt (Axl's assistant then) wrote in his book that he always booked the next flight and the flight after that, because Axl almost always missed his flight and many times the next one as well. As for the shows, they were telling Axl that they were scheduled an hour earlier than they really were in an effort to minimize the lateness. Axl's reasons (or excuses) for being late at the shows ranged from his stepfather being from that particular place (Dayton, Ohio - that was, probably, the latest start of the tour, 4 hours late), to not being physically ready, to stage fright/not being mentally ready in general, to watching the fireworks (Stockholm). During the tour with Metallica he wasn't that late per se, as it seems. But the shows were scheduled to start late anyway, because Metallica finished its set around 10.00-10.30, and then it needed about an hour to change the stage setup, which was already a delay. So if Axl was late even "only" half-an-hour or an hour, it was a 2-hour delay for the fans. I think all of it wasn't unrelated with his mental issues and that it partly had to do with that. It's definitely not easy for a "normal" person to explain it - let alone understand it.
  12. Back in Time: Las Vegas 2000

    I think I'd come across this on youtube presented as Axl and Gilby from 2000, but it's almost definitely from 1993. Axl's voice and the beginning of the solo sound like 1993. Moreover, there's piano on this clip. These videos are from Gilby's gigs in August 2000 and his band did't use piano:
  13. The Shittest Songs Ever

  14. More takedowns?

    In noticed that the list of GnR lyrics in Metrolyrics includes "Every Rose Has Its Thorn," "Cats in the Cradle" and other irrelevant songs (these are not taken down ). It looks like Metrolyrics isn't very well monitored by its contributing community. I wonder if this has anything to do with the takedown of the GnR lyrics only from this particular site. Of course, if that's the case, they could have just asked the site to remove the fake lyrics instead of the real ones.
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