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  1. I'd need the credits for the super deluxe edition. Should be book pages 92-93 if I'm not wrong! can someone please help me and send me a scan or a good quality photo of those two pages? I'd really appreciate it. Thank you very much in advance for your time and help, I really appreciate it!
  2. Do you know in which hotel they're staying?
  3. not on the version I've seen, which is the one up on the tube at the moment, has a lenght of 1:47:01 and is missing Paradise city!
  4. Presente! See ya in the pit!
  5. Does anybody know where I can find a flac or video of these shows? thanks a lot in advance!!
  6. thank you....what's the source of these info though? I found it hard to believe the band was playing live in the spring of 1984, while Axl was busy rising the club scene with Hollywood Rose.... also because their demo -that later resurfaced as Ready To Rumble EP- was recorded on may 25 1983, as I reckon....so its more likely that the band would be active around that time and not a year later, don't you think?
  7. Also, its not true that Axl Rose's first L.A. show was on january 1984, as stated on Marc Canter's book and from common knowledge on many websites. There's proofs - i.e. photo evidence - that Axl played at least one show with Rapidfire at Gazzarri's, and that ough to be 1983!
  8. and Yes, absulutely right! Btw I'm working on a more detailed, accurate and expanded version of this timeline and I will post it asap!
  9. Watch the KPFK interview video, at the 1:46 mark! And at 2:07 you can see a flyer for May 12! Also, Raz talks about these gigs in the interview he did recently on GN'R Central!
  10. Joining the dots between the infos available on gnrontour.com, setlist.fm, Marc Canter's bible and the recently surfaced Raz Cue's interviews and infos, we gather the following on the early history of the band: January to june 1984 - Axl, Izzy, Chris Weber, drummer Johnny Kreiss (and/or Johnny Krieff?) and bassist Rick Holland (and/or Rick Mars?) plays shows as Rose, later changed in Hollywood Rose (As Axl liked this monicker better) and they play the following dates (I'm not sure if the lineups here are always correct or not...fill in if you know more): 01.03.84 - The Orphanage, North Hollywood, CA audio/video recording?: no notes: This band is "Rose" - Axl, Izzy [lead & rhythm guitar], Chris Weber [lead & rhythm guitar], Johnny Kreiss [drums] & Rick Holland [bass]. From what we know, this is Axl Rose's first show in L.A. 01.17.84 - Troubadour, Hollywood, CA audio/video recording?: no notes: This band is "Rose" - Axl, Izzy [lead & rhythm guitar], Chris Weber [lead & rhythm guitar], Johnny Kreiss [drums] & Rick Holland [bass]. flyer 02.12.84 - Troubadour, Hollywood, CA audio/video recording?: no notes: This band is "Rose" - Axl, Izzy [lead & rhythm guitar], Chris Weber [lead & rhythm guitar], Johnny Kreiss [drums] & Rick Holland [bass]. 02.23.84 - Gazzarri's, West Hollywood, CA audio/video recording?: no notes: This band is "Rose" - Axl, Izzy [lead & rhythm guitar], Chris Weber [lead & rhythm guitar], Johnny Kreiss [drums] & Rick Holland [bass]. audio/video recording?: no notes: This band is "Rose" - Axl, Izzy [lead & rhythm guitar], Chris Weber [lead & rhythm guitar], Johnny Kreiss [drums] & Rick Holland [bass]. 03.16.84 - Madame Wong's East, Los Angeles, CA audio/video recording?: no notes: This band is "Rose" - Axl, Izzy [lead & rhythm guitar], Chris Weber [lead & rhythm guitar], Johnny Kreiss [drums] & Rick Holland [bass]. Although the flyer says "Hollywood Rose" - this band is still "Rose" - Axl preferred the name "Hollywood Rose" and had these flyers printed. flyer 04.01.84 - Troubador, Hollywood, CA audio/video recording?: no notes: This band is "Rose" - Axl, Izzy [lead & rhythm guitar], Chris Weber [lead & rhythm guitar], Johnny Kreiss [drums] & Rick Holland [bass]. flyer #1 flyer #2 04.20.84 - Madame Wong's East, Los Angeles, CA audio/video recording?: no notes: This band is "Rose" - Axl, Izzy [lead & rhythm guitar], Chris Weber [lead & rhythm guitar], Johnny Kreiss [drums] & Rick Holland [bass]. early june 1984 to august 1984 - Izzy and Chris Weber leave Hollywood Rose (Izzy to join London I guess!?!?), and Slash and Steven joins the band and they play their first show together on june 16 at Madame Wong's West (on this date the lineup was completed by bassist Steve Darrow - unsure if he played any show before with HR or this was his first one too!). (Izzy leaves almost a week before Slash and Steven joins, according to Marc Canter's book, and one of the disagreement between izzy and Axl was over the riff of a song Izzy wrote called Cold Hard Cash, which Izzy wanted to discard but Axl liked and wanted to keep) with this lineup they play the following dates over summer '84: 06.16.84 - Madame Wong's West, Los Angeles, CA audio/video recording?: no flyer notes: A Hollywood Rose gig. 06.28.84 - Madame Wong's West, Los Angeles, CA audio/video recording?: no notes: A Hollywood Rose gig. 07.10.84 - Troubador, Hollywood, CA setlist: Shadow Of Your Love, Everything's OK, Reckless, Anything Goes, Rock N Roll Survivor (a song Slash wrote for Roadcrew and Axl added lyrics to), Rock N Roll Rose (a song Axl wrote after his first gig in LA), Back Off Bitch, Cold Hard Cash, Nice Boys, Hair Of The Dog notes: I'm pretty sure that Marc Canter recorded the audio of this show, not sure if video too! flyer 08.29.84 - Troubador, Hollywood, CA audio/video recording?: no notes: This was pre-GN'R. flyer 08.31.84 - Shamrock Studios, Santa Monica, CA audio/video recording?: no notes: This was pre-GN'R. flyer In september 1984, for some uknown reasons, Hollywood Rose seems to disband, as Slash goes on to audition for Poison and Axl joins L.A. Guns, which plays the following dates: oct 5, 1984 @ the troubadour (with Axl on lead vocals) setlist: Bloodshot Eyes, Shadow Of Your Love, Nice Boys, If You Don't Love Me, Stick To Your Guns, Anything Goes, Heartbreak Hotel notes: is this the first L.A. Guns show??? If so, Axl doesn not join L.A. Guns, but is indeed the original L.A. Guns singer! Audio/video recordings: Marc Canter recorded this show! oct 13, 1984 @ the troubadour (with Axl on lead vocals) audio/video recording: i dont know for sure, but my sixth sense (and the pictures on his book) tells me Marc Canter recorded this on video! nov 27, 1984 @ the troubadour dec 1, 1984 - radio city dec 22, 1984 - radio city dec 31, 1984 - troubadour jan 25, 1985 - radio city feb 8, 1985 - country club Now, we know for sure Axl played the two shows in october and then left, according to Marc Canter's book. Recordings of these two shows should exist and in the hands of Marc Canter. The rest of the shows, I guess Mike Jagosz took Axl's place, after the infamous Axl/Raz fights over something that either happened at the Rainbow or something. Around this time, the idea of Guns N' Roses is discussed between Axl and Tracii. This confirms that it was not a disagreement between axl and tracii to end this partenership in L.A. Guns (otherwise they wouldnt have formed guns n roses together just a couple of months later). If someone can fill in, or confirm this infos, please join in! Meanwhile, Hollywood Rose played a new year's eve show, exactly 4 months after their known last gig! The lineup is unsure, but I guess it featured Axl, Izzy, Chris Weber, Steve Darrow? and a drummer...again, if you have any infos to fill the blank spaces, please join!) 12.31.84 - San Pedro, CA audio/video recording?: no notes: Supposedly Hollywood Rose broke up after this show (but they will apparently regroup for one last gig togheter...read on...) Now, we've seen that in january and february of 1985, L.A. Guns were still playing shows in Hollywood, so Tracii and his bands were "active". In the Raz Cue's interview video, at 1:59 mark, we see the flyer for a - so far - unknown gig that Hollywood Rose supposedly played on thursday march 7th 1985, at the Dancing Waters in San Pedro, CA, advertised on the flyer as "the band that refuses to die". This show I think its crucial in what will then become the first GNR line up. I guess this is the show that is listed in Marc Canter's book (but without a date). According to Marc Canter's book, Izzy, that had just left London and was looking for a band, booked this show and put up this line up comprising of various member of Hollywood Rose and L.A. Guns. This show also marked the premiere of Don't Cry. 03.07.85 - San Pedro, CA audio/video recording?: no notes: Hollywood Rose last gig, featuring Axl Rose, Izzy Stradlin, Chris Weber, Rob Gardner, Steve Darrow. It was the premiere of the song Don't Cry, written by Axl and Izzy Very soon after this gig, something happened and L.A. Guns and Hollywood Rose finally merge in the first line up of Guns N' Roses, with Axl and Izzy (from Hollywood Rose), Tracii Guns, Ole Beich and Rob Gardner (from L.A. Guns – although, as we've seen above, Rob already played a gig with HR). Their first gig is scheduled for march 26th at the troubadour (we learn from their very first interview, done on the night between march 21st and march 22 on KPFK in Hollywood, that this show was booked as a L.A.Guns show and then changed to a Guns N' Roses one). Ole Beich is advertised on the flyer for the march 26th show but actually he will never play live with the band as, being ready to record a rehearsal to air during the aforementioned interview, the band couldnt get hold of Ole, and Izzy decided to call a neighbor of his called Duff – who, by the way, had already crossed path with Slash and Steven a couple years before in RoadCrew). So this first interview was recorded just hours after the band recorded early versions of the songs "Think About You", "Don't Cry", "Anything Goes" (apparently Heartbreak Hotel was recorded too) at Willie Basse's studio. This recording exists and in the hands of Raz Cue. With this original line up they played the following dates: 03.26.85 - Troubador, Hollywood, CA audio/video recording?: no notes: first gig billed as Guns N'Roses flyer 04.11.85 - Radio City, Anaheim, CA audio/video recording?: no notes: flyer 04.24.85 - Troubador, Hollywood, CA audio/video recording?: no notes: flyer 04.25.85 - Dancing Waters Club, San Pedro, CA audio/video recording?: no notes: 04.27.85 - Timbers Club, Glendora, CA audio/video recording?: no notes: apparently there was an argument over a certain Michelle Young (of My Michelle's fame) not being put on a guest list by Tracii. That drove Axl mad at him! 05.11.85 – Radio City, Anaheim, CA 05.12.85 - Joshua's Parlour, CA Apparently Axl had issues with Tracii and wanted to fire him after the timbers clubs show, but waited cause they had two more shows booked, but then he fired him right after the Joshua's Parlour show in may! Rob Gardner, being loyal to his friend and bandmate Tracii, left the group soon after! At this point Axl already knew he wanted to get Slash in the band, but he was playing with Black Sheep, a somehow more established metal band on their way to getting signed. Things get confusing now, as according to Marc Canter's book, Axl, Izzy and Steven went to see Black Sheep at the Country Club on may 31st 1985, trying to convinve Slash to join GNR. That would mean Steven joined the band before Slash, although any other accounts suggests either the opposite or that they joined together! Anyway all lead to this: 06.06.85 - Troubador, Hollywood, CA audio/video recording?: no setlist: Reckless, Shadow of your love, jumpin jack flash, think about you, move to the city, dont cry, nice boys, back off bitch, anything goes, heartbreak hotel notes: This is the first Guns N' Roses gig that included Slash & Steven. They joined the band on this date. Tracii Guns & Rob Gardener are in the flyer for this show! Marc Canter should have audio recordings of this historical first show! flyer
  11. have you guys actually listened to the video? Raz says it clearly..."the first night of spring" of 1985....the night between march 21st and 22nd! there you go! btw, the (re)surfacing of Raz Cue's accounts and details really shed new lights about the early days and actually made some pieces of the puzzle finally collide!
  12. GNR Demo Tape Soundcloud

    I thought the Mystic Studio demos were financed by the band and/or Vicky Hamilton, not by Raz Cue! otherwise, why was her name written on the cassette tape? and then it seemed Raz Cue's involvement with the band pretty much stopped when Slash and Steven entered the picture in mid/late may 1985, and the band went to the Hell Tour....am i wrong? I thought the cassette tape with the Izzy Stranded writings on was the march 85 rehearsals/demo tape (with Rob and Tracy), recorded around or on the same day as the first interview they did and that was released by raz recently! Maybe I'm wrong though but I just would like to put every piece of the puzzle together in the right place about their early days!
  13. GNR Demo Tape Soundcloud

    damn...I missed this topic completely! which session are we talking about here (month, year)? is this the Mystic sound demos, that were already circulating on youtube (the cassette with the Vicky Hamilton number on it)?
  14. havent read all the discussion so I dont know if this has been sorted out already....anyway.... the map points to record stores! I checked Italy and they point to Discoteca Laziale in Rome, near Stazione Termini, and Mondadori store in Milan Piazza Duomo and Feltrinelli in Galleria Vittorio Emanuele! edit: or maybe its just where they put up ad/billboards...cause one of the London spot is the Roundhouse in Camden!
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