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  1. US Politics/Elections Thread

    What did you guys think about this speech from Bill Clinton? Agree or disagree?
  2. Yet somehow, thousands of albums are able to be released every year. Axl has access to the top “music industry” lawyers in the business. The label has access to the best industry lawyers in the world. Imo he isn’t holding up releasing an album because he can’t figure out what credit to give to buckethead on some of the songs. A more realistic guess would be him doing it out of spite and holding a grudge for ex-members leaving the band. He doesn’t release certain songs because he doesn’t want those ex-band members to get fat checks from them.
  3. That’s certainly one way to look at it. But most artists and creative types don’t think that way. I’m a writer. Right now I’m balls deep into a baseball history book. My final draft will look 75% different than my first draft (comparable to a music demo). I’ve worked in this book for about six months. If you leaked my first draft I wouldn’t just give up all the work I’d put into creating it, just because somebody saw a rough draft. I would keep working on it and perfecting it. Then I would publish my “baby” for the baseball world to read. Most musicians aren’t going to flush their “art” down the drain because 50 people on line listened to the rough demo. The final versions of Atlas and HS are going to sound a LOT different than what a handful of us have heard.
  4. Bottom line though.....this is what happens when you release one album of original material in almost 30 years while band members and band management continually talk about how much unreleased material the band has in the vault, and how the band is getting ready to release that music. Didn't Axl himself hint that CD2 was coming out the following year (something about the bat channel)? And I believe it was Axl who talked about releasing 10 b-sides with CD. Several band members (past and present) have talked about how many finished songs the band has, how they wanted to release an album. Hell, I think even Beta mentioned the number of songs that the band had in the vault. Even the semi-reunion is a couple years old now. And that version of the band has had more time off than they have touring together. The demand is there. Millions of fans would LOVE new music from their favorite singer and band. Axl could put out an EP by the current group to support the next leg of the tour AND put out an album in December that closes the door on the CD sessions. Both albums would sell. And before the "albums don't make money" crowd chimes in, let's remember that most artists create music because they are artists and not just to make money - and do you want Axl to be a musician who only writes songs for cash?. And, the tour these guys just finished ended up as being one of the three highest grossing tours of all time. Axl made what, a fifty-to-hundred million dollars on the tour? So he shouldn't share music with his fans because the album would only sell a million copies? Come on now. Whomever from the GnR camp that monitors the forums, it's a pretty simple fix. Fans are going to buy, steal, trade and leak unreleased material as long as you guys refuse to share new music with t them. The fact that fans are freaking out over 20 year old UNRELEASED songs should tell you all you need to know.
  5. Except that time line isn’t close to being accurate. They’ve spent more time not touring than they have together touring since the partial-reunion took place.
  6. Because he is a musician? And as a musician who is worth more than a hundred million dollars, one would hope his reason for being in the business wasn’t solely just to make money, but to create the best “art” that he could. It’s odd that people bash pop artists for vine sell outs and just trying to make money.....but then people say that Axl should do the same thing. I guess I’m just old school. I miss the Axl that released four albums in five years. The young rocker who once said he would hate to be in a band that just played and relied on their old hits.
  7. Why would a leaked song or two prevent Axl from working on the new album? The current lineup has been together for two years with very limited touring. They could have easily already written, recorded and released an album. And the leaks are 20-year old songs. Axl has had plenty of time to finished them. Chinese Democracy came out over a decade ago. Axl has more free time than anybody.....a leaked 20 year old song isn’t going to prevent him from recording a new album.
  8. If only there was an easy way for Axl to prevent this kind of thing from happening.....
  9. That makes it even worse that he doesn't do it. Axl doesn't need the money....but the other musicians who are credited on the songs surely do. If Ron has a writing credit or two, I'm sure he'd welcome the songs be up for sale so he could make a little income.
  10. I'd buy each of them for $2 each! Axl is my favorite singer of all time. But man, the guy has some real issues in terms of how he views his fans (and all the spoils those fans have provided him. Hundreds of millions of dollars, living the life of luxury, living in a mansion, hot chicks throwing themselves at him, etc). Obviously it's his career, his life and the songs he creates are his songs (as well as the band members who helped create them). BUT just speaking for myself, I couldn't keep my work away from my fans like Axl chooses to do. If I created 20 songs and I knew that 3 million of my fans would love to pay money to get to enjoy them.....in good conscious, I couldn't say "I don't owe them anything" and then sit back in my mansion and let those songs collect dust for 20 years. My feeling would be "hey guys, thank you for all the support over the last 30 years. Here are some songs I worked on twenty years ago, please enjoy, I hope you dig them." And I would want to get that music out to the fans, not have people stealing CDs and leaking unfinished versions. Again - Axl can do whatever he wants with his songs. I'm just saying what I would do. At some point, when you are rich beyond your wildest dreams, when you are worshipped by millions of fans.....it's OK to do those fans a solid and let them buy an album of your work. Even if you don't think those songs are perfect, it's OK to just do something to thank your fans.
  11. Why do people get so excited about AFD99? Am I missing something? Isn't it just the 99 version of GnR covering the album? I'd much rather hear brand new music as opposed to hearing a different version of GnR musicians covering what might be the best rock album of all time. Appetite is almost as perfect as you can get.
  12. Whatta ya think Team Brazil and Axl are doing right now? "Ahhh, fuck it. What can we do. Let's watch Netflix and order a pizza" or losing their minds and trying to figure out how to stop this?
  13. $15,000 is a lot of scratch to drop on a normal albums worth of music and a lot of miscellaneous music parts. It’s too bad that Axl didn’t just “clean out the vault” and release all those decade-plus old songs for his millions of fans to enjoy. Then he could have made a bunch of loot and all his fans would have been overjoyed. And he never would have to worry about leaks like this.
  14. “Hey Intern Chad, go clean out Zutaut’s old locker. Throw away or keep whatever you want. If you see a bunch of band CDs, you can keep them or sell them. “ Its odd how the story keeps changing. First a guy bought a storage until and sold the contents on Ebay. Now it’s a personal locker and he sold the CDs on another platform. In one version he didn’t know much about GnR. Now he is getting $15,000 for them.
  15. Wait.....are you subtly trying to say that you've got unreleased Toad the Wet Sprocket material???
  16. What would you do if YOU were the one to buy a storage unit and then are shocked to find it contains these 20 CDs of unreleased GnR music. Do you 1. On the sly, covering your tracks, share the music online for other GnR fans to enjoy? 2. Sell them to the highest bidder or trade them for other unreleased GnR music? 3. Send a tweet to Fernando and say "dude, I've got 20 cds that you guys probably want back. I don't want money, I am not releasing them on the net. Hook me up with Axl for a taco lunch, and I'll bring you guys all the CDs tomorrow."
  17. Since these CDs were purchased legally and not stolen, would there be any legal ramifications from posting the music? If you legally purchase a storage unit then you own the items inside it. If Axl was going to go after somebody, wouldn’t the original owner of the storage unit or Zutaut be the responsible party?