Kira

1 hour ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I have an account at HTGTH, iwas on that board before this one. It's pretty well known for being censored 

To the point of being ridiculous.  You couldn't offer the slightest criticism or opposing view without being deleted.  Even if you pointed out things that were plainly factual.

The sky is blue.  No  it isn't!

2 hours ago, triad said:

I don't follow this logic.  Are musicians in symphony orchestras not musicians if they don't publish sonatas and concertos?  Are opera singers not musicians if they don't write their own arias?  How about Frank Sinatra, Diana Ross, Elvis?  

@stella beat me to it.  

I'm sure Axl has always continued to write music, getting him to release it is another matter.  It would be nice if he did, but he doesn't have to to prove that he's a musician.  And I'm sure with the reformed band, it's even more complicated.  

And also, what percentage of fans that came out to their concerts this summer are actually interested in new music from them?  The majority of them don't even know CD....

2 hours ago, stella said:

Thank you!

I don't think that TB are walking around with halos or that they've been awesome in every respect, but I do think they care for Axl - and I also honestly think that if they hadn't been there for him, Axl wouldn't be here today. We can all talk about who should have been there for Axl and talked to him, etc. etc. etc. but the bottom line is that there wasn't anyone else, other than Del, TB, etc. People do the best with what they have, at the time they have it, and I don't think TB want Axl to fail.

 

I tend to agree, you can speculate about TBs motives, but ultimately they have put in a lot of years with Axl after he drove nearly everyone else away.  They have filled some void for him.

9 hours ago, killuridols said:

wow your post, once again is brilliant and spot on!

Never thought English was not your native tongue. You write and express yourself very very well. The structure of your texts and ideas is always clear and insightful. What country are you from, if can be known?

I agree with all of what you said, starting by the Michelle Young thing, imo Axl is kind of ashamed of those people and women. They were all trashy, drugaddicts and he never liked that stuff, so as you said, he wanted to move on from that world. Leave it behind and become more intellectual. I think he did with some of the UYI songs and some CD songs but it took him so long and he lost so many opportunities.

It was always a question mark in my head on why he never collaborated with great artists. Why he never duet with more people. So much talent wasted just because of bullshit..... I really hope he can recover his focus and go back to whatever he wanted to do before. It is a pity seeing him hanging out with people who do not contribute to expand his experiences and his culture. Slash and Duff have done a lot more in that aspect and have evolved in many areas.

What he does publicly nowadays really contradicts his desires from the past. It feels like he gave up on that and now its like "ok, this is all i can aim for: brainless models". It is sad. It disappoints me because I know deep inside he's really good in what he does and I wish he'd find the motivation to get out of his comfort zone and do more. I dont understand why he refuses so much to make a solo album, or play small venues, acoustic shows, grab the guitar or piano and play for an audience....

Everything he does has to be big and like he cannot be without a bunch of babysitters around all the time. I wonder if he ever feels the need to be alone, to go to places by himself and just find his inner self. Not sure that'll ever happen though. The older he gets, the more he will need company and more entourage

 

Yes. I'm sorry about that.

Reason is that I have a hard time dealing with ignorant and cringeworthy comments. Your whole reasoning in your first post sounds like that and this new one is even worse

Like, where in the hell are you pulling this "abuse allegations" thing from? Who mentioned that? Where? I did not mention any of it so I don't know what you're talking about.

- "I've been keeping up with Axl/GnR news since the beginning, probably longer than you."
It doesn't look like you've been keeping up with Axl/GNR news, I'm sorry but no, it doesn't look like that. Or you tend to believe a lot of fake sources. Probably longer than me? I really doubt it but again, what's your base to say that? I'm into GN'R since the early 90's. There's not a huge gap between that and the year they started as a band. If you are a fan of them since 1986, cool, you beat me for six years or something. Not much though. Back in the day I caught up with all of it in a matter of 6 months.

- "Just because he takes a woman to a nightclub, that doesn't qualify as a relationship."

Again, who said he has relationships with the models or women he's been seen with at the night clubs?
No one did.
I did not.
You are making up stuff.

- "And it's not necessarily an indicator of sexual preference."

I think most of the times it is.
He's hardly ever seen with guys in that situation but I'm not gonna dwell much on that because he could see them in private and we wouldn't know.
Either way, what you say is not an evidence of him being gay either. So we are all at point zero anyway.

- "No, I don't need pictures, but there is no credible evidence of Axl banging models in every city he visits.  No exploits revealed, which these days is rare."

What would be credible evidence for you then?

I don't know what "exploits revealed" means but VIP prostitution is not like regular one. They usually sign non-disclosure agreements and fill tons of papers that make them legally liable in the future if they ever leak information on who their clients are. Celebrities like Axl do not bang random women from the street, with all the risks that implies. VIP prostitution provides celebrities with all the safety measures they need to ensure them no tricks will be pulled later.

Also, it is known that everybody who gets invited backstage or to the after parties must put their phones in a lock pouch and are not allowed to use it during the entire evening. That's why there aren't pictures, videos or audios from the famous GN'R after-parties. Or at least I havent come across one yet.

- "Maybe he's paid models to attend parties, and maybe they want to be paid and/or hang out with a celebrity.  I don't consider that consumption, but a mutual arrangement."

If it is an arrangement based on monetary retribution then it is a service.
You have a service and you have costumers of your service.
Your costumers consume the service you provide.
These are the basics of marketing: offer & demand.

I really can't be bothered to argue with you.  Fact is, you are rude.  There is a way to disagree with someone's opinion without derision and namecalling.  Especially in the Women's thread, posters should be free to express themselves.  I've noticed you have done this to others as well.  You might want to take a moment to self-reflect. 

I don't know why people care about this...it's a tale as old as time.  And I don't know why people keep comparing it to Motley Crue.  The Crue uses strippers people, not models!

6 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

@Kira Actually I thought He is too

https://m.facebook.com/karlchampley1/posts/pcb.10207288539477713/?photo_id=10207288494516589&mds=%2Fphotos%2Fviewer%2F%3Fphotoset_token%3Dpcb.10207288539477713%26photo%3D10207288494516589%26profileid%3D100000031977803%26source%3D48%26cached_data%3Dfalse%26ftid%3Du_0_o&mdf=1

Poor guy He thought it was Axl 

lol, oh my

2 hours ago, killuridols said:

wot?

I'm sorry, you are mixing a lot of topics and not making sense on any of them.

What was many years ago? Axl being seen with women? You are not well, my lady, or you don't keep up with GN'R news. Axl has never stopped dating women, models, friends, etc. What kind of evidence do you need about him having sexual relations with women? Do you need photos of him and the woman in bed? a video? a used up condom?

That's okay if you think he's gay. No one knows about that and I'm not going to argue your opinion.

But saying he doesn't consume women it is stubborn. He does. Even if it's just for chatting or hanging out. He has a pimp and he pays models to attend parties with him and other people. If that's not consumption of a service I don't know what it is.

Sometimes you are very rude in your responses.  Any reason for that?

Anyway, what I was saying is, that the abuse allegations with women were thankfully many years ago.  I've been keeping up with Axl/GnR news since the beginning, probably longer than you.  Just because he takes a woman to a nightclub, that doesn't qualify as a relationship.  And it's not necessarily an indicator of sexual preference.  No, I don't need pictures, but there is no credible evidence of Axl banging models in every city he visits.  No exploits revealed, which these days is rare.

Maybe he's paid models to attend parties, and maybe they want to be paid and/or hang out with a celebrity.  I don't consider that consumption, but a mutual arrangement. 

1 hour ago, Frey said:

 

 

Really? Why, what about him? 

Thing is, I have no horse in this race. I'm no chick who's got the hots for Axl and gets jealous of the women he dates/fucks and I'm also not gay or a homophobe, so I also don't care if he wants to fuck Slash (or other dudes). 

So I think I'm fairly neutral and unbiased. 

But despite the fact that he's kinda flashy, he's never really pinged my gaydar. Not saying he definitely isn't gay/bi (some of the Slaxl stuff discussed here in this thread for example is kinda eyebrow raising, I'll admit), but I can just never really see it when people think he's gay.

It's just my personal hunch, a combination of things that individually don't matter, but in combination....just makes me think that.  I don't care if he is either, no judgment from me.

Some of the stuff he said about gays back when he put out one in a million, just screamed denial to me.   Other things...his sensitive nature, propensity to act macho to prove something but never really being "one of the guys", love of accessories and flair, his strange relationship with Beta, affinity for gay or gay friendly artists (not just Freddie and Elton, but George Michael, Pet Shop Boys, Madonna, Liza Minelli, Depeche Mode etc.)

I'm not trying to convince anyone of my opinion, it's just what I think.  I know Alan Niven has pondered the possibility in at least one interview as well. 

12 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

Wtf Axl 

Yikes, Classy.  I bet GnR is so thankful that cellphones did not exist back in their day.

6 hours ago, killuridols said:

I'm not saying Axl is nasty or malevolent but in order to hang out so much with certain people you gotta find some common ground. Andrei tours with him, so how do you tolerate for months someone you have nothing in common with?

To me this is not a matter of auras or stuff like that. We dont know Nur Khan at all, we dont know Andrei and we know Axl to a certain extent. I dislike Khan and Andrei because of what they show me, not some imaginary thing. Andrei shows me that he makes a living by "using" women (I could use a harsher word but I don't want to judge without evidence). Organizing hives of models for Hollywood parties or celebrity parties I dont feel it is a particular talent to be proud of. Picking women from a crowd of thousands, based on age and looks, just to sexually expose them to men who could be their fathers is not something to be proud of. Nur Khan doesn't strike me as "malevolent", lol, or creep... More like one of those many guys who work the night life, with all the things associated to it (alcohol, drugs, prostitution, shady characters). Maybe he's a good person with his family and friends but his job, ugh, that's something I have no respect for. It all seems so fake.... Yeah, I know it is a business. He's friendly to Axl because Axl is his client, a good paying client, a high paying client. Khan benefits a lot from hanging out with Axl: exposition, fame, more celebrities coming to his clubs. In conclusion, more $$$$ to his pockets. That's what this shit is all about.

Axl is part of that ugly market and that ugly circuit of consuming women like they were cigarettes. That is a dark and sad side of him. I dont know if this is something related to his childhood issues, the way he was raised, his mental inestability or whatever but it is not cool. And he's 54 years old. You'd think by that age you could have fixed or corrected whatever came wrong from your childhood. I mean, at some point, the way you run your life is entirely in your hands. Not your parents or relatives or friends.

 

 

I don't agree with the "ugly circuit of consuming women like they were cigarettes" statement.  Yes, Axl definitely has a questionable history with women. 

That being said, that was many years ago and this is 2016 and it's a bunch of young women getting to go to a free concert which they seemed happy to do.  There's no evidence of Axl having sexual relationships with any of the models he hangs out with or any woman in fact.  Do I think that Axl believes that having a gaggle of models hanging around is a barometer of success of GNR?  Yes.  But as much as this board jokes about it, I'm not convinced that Axl is not gay or at least bisexual.  That's just my feeling.  He pings my gaydar. 

8 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Has Axl even got any friends? Ones he doesn't pay? 

Maybe he is a horrible to the core person. 

I think that's a harsh assessment.  After so many years of being a celebrity, sure the majority of people around you benefit from your celebrity in some way and friends you had before may not know how to deal with your fame.  Right or wrong, the people around him do seem protective and fond of him. 

When he first became famous, Axl was known for trying to "bring up" as many of his friends as he could with him.  (Del James, Riki Rachtman, Shannon Hoon, Robert John, etc.), so I think he's far from a horrible person.

1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

And I'm also not really seeing Axl's intelligence in some of the areas claimed here in this thread. Some people mentioned linguistic and verbal intelligence, but I'm really not convinced. Axl might be a little above average in that regard compared to some random Joe on the street, but just look at the way he writes. It's usually a ranting, rambling, barely coherent mess and a grammatical nightmare. I get the impression some people are fooled into thinking he must be really clever by his endless run-on sentences and the big words he likes to use or something.

I believe Axl is very intelligent.  The majority of people who know/knew him well confirm this.  Except maybe that quote from Izzy, but I think that was a sour grapes sentiment at the time.

I agree about his rambling writing style., but I think that is more a symptom of his mental illness.  I know I'm armchair diagnosing, but the racing, rambling thoughts seem totally textbook manic.  It's like he can't fit all of his thoughts into organized sentences. 

7 minutes ago, tiutso said:

 

Aww, look at them being a team 

What a nice Dad!

5 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I have no idea, I only just noticed it today. 

Theres a picture I've seen a lot on Twitter today. What do you think? Axl or not? 

I don't think Axl graduated ...lol.  

5 hours ago, starlight said:

Axl was an asshole for cheating on Erin,she really loved him

I think though Axl was always pretty up front with the ladies that he was not going to be faithful.  I don't know if he held that double standard with them in return, and if he did, that sucks.  But truthfully, that's what you get when you date a rock star 91/2 times out of ten.

14 minutes ago, Kira said:

How old is her daughter?

Apparently Meeghans ex was in Bang Tango (remember them?) maybe it was actually a pic of her Dad not Axl.

16 minutes ago, giuls said:

I cringed so hard I'm thinking about talking my dad's friends "daddy" and no, i can't do it

How old is her daughter?

6 hours ago, killuridols said:

lol he's too damn tiny and too damn cute!

he looks so feminine in this picture!  lol

6 minutes ago, Mararoyce said:

 

I'm with you girls.  Old School!  Did you also wear out your AfD cassette so there was no writing left on it?

6 hours ago, nn18 said:

He is very handsome and really does look like her. Looking at the pic of him with a guitar and a red plaid shirt... right in the feels....

 

He's very cute, not like the other two.

6 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

@Blackstar Talking about film influences on Axl, I thought maybe you might know about this one.....Frances. 

I can't be 100% sure because I read about this so long ago, but I remember reading Axl was obsessed with a film about a woman who suffered a complete mental breakdown, she was institutionalised and had a lobotomy performed on her which made her worse. Lots of other terrible things happened to her, too. Even worse, it was a true story.

I think it is this film that Axl identified with, it could be another, but the story is the same as the one he was reportedly obsessed with - woman sought professional help - taken to an asylum - they abused her and performed a forced lobotomy. 

In the book I read (must be about 18yrs ago and I've since lost the GN'R book I read it in) they said Axl couldn't be convinced to go and get professional help, one reason was because he really thought they would just do things to him, like a lobotomy. It was a pretty sad read, but it did make sense as to why he was frightened to go to a psychiatrist. 

 

Axl did mention it.  Cobain was obsessed with it.  That's why he named his daughter Frances.

i think part of the reason Axl is so loyal to team Brazil is because without them taking care of him, he could have wound up in an institution.

2 hours ago, Eddie Money said:

I don't know the specifics on their family.  I think I heard somewhere that the stepfather adopted Axl and his sister and I'm not sure about his brother.  The only thing I really know is that Slash said in his book that the elaborate themed after show parties they planned on the UYI tour were stupid and nobody attended them.  

Amy and Stuart are Stephen Baileys biological children.  Axl is the only one by a different father.

as for the parties, I think a lot of people attended them, just not slash and duff.

On August 1, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Padme said:

Well she was in N.Y. the day of Slash birthday. She was with him and Meegan but nobody knows if she also spent time with Axl

How do you know Erin was in New York?

5 minutes ago, cheesecake said:

With Beta's comment "Well, he has Sasha" when a fan asked if Axl has a boyfriend now at Coachella, that says a lot about the status of his relationship with Erin at the moment. Meaning to say, they have not reconnected (yet). 

If he is dating Erin behind the scene and not wanting it to be out of the bag yet, Beta IMO would have responded something to the effect of, "Well... he is seeing someone, but that's all I can say for now."

I think either Erin really wants a relationship with him, or they are at least friendly behind the scenes and she feels comfortable doing this on his behalf.  

Someone asked if if he had a boyfriend?  Lol, that wouldn't surprise me either.

2 hours ago, pinkforgirls said:

Alright since the cat is already out of the bag.....And Erin added to her comment. Her "truth" has piqued my interest. 

What do you think she is talking about?  Defending Axl or herself?  I don't see how this refers to her.

7 hours ago, sibidy7 said:

They have mixed It up more than a lot of major acts and more then they did on the UYI tour.

 

This comment is just plain ridiculous.  Go look at the setlists for the UYI shows.  They opened with different songs all the time, played songs at completely different times throughout the show.  There isn't even a comparison.  that band at that time was unique night to night.  Now we get the corporate"movie" every night.

I've seen 5 shows and I haven't watched a single periscope feed. I understand the fact most people don't go to multiple shows, but don't you people who think it's ridiculous to complain about the setlists, think it would be cool to see an actual organic experience instead of a canned production ?

 

 

 

 

 

They might have mixed it up some on the UYI tour some more, but frankly, it could be really disorganized when they did that.  Big pauses between songs while they figured out what to play next.  At my age, I'll take a professional, static, set list.