Sydney Fan Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 39 minutes ago, WhazUp said: It didn't start with Trump and it didn't start in 2016, however Trump and his administation by all accounts are doing as good of a job handling the situation as DJ Ashba did playing the Patience outro live Or the scom intro. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay.Of.Execution Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Top-Hatted One said: Ok fair enough blame all local political leaders but why blame the President? How delusional do you have to be to ask this question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Draguns Posted June 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 6, 2020 17 hours ago, Top-Hatted One said: Ok fair enough blame all local political leaders but why blame the President? Are you serious??? I'm 43 years old. I have lived through the eras of President Reagan, George HW Bush, Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama. I didn't agree with Reagan nor the Bushes on somethings. The Bushes did help sign into law the Americans with Disabilities Act and help maintain it when the Republican Party tried to water it down. With that being said, at least those 5 Presidents led in times of a crisis. They were able to reach out to all Americans. Trump has not done that. He has continued to try to divide Americans and ONLY reach out to his base. General Mattis nailed it this past week with his statement. If Trump gets reelected in November, I will be deeply concerned as to what will become of the United States. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 22 hours ago, Scream of the Butterfly said: If you want to learn more about it, I'd suggest you search "internalized racism". It is a real phenomenon for certain. Black on black violence also doesn't seem to get much attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Draguns said: Are you serious??? I'm 43 years old. I have lived through the eras of President Reagan, George HW Bush, Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama. I didn't agree with Reagan nor the Bushes on somethings. The Bushes did help sign into law the Americans with Disabilities Act and help maintain it when the Republican Party tried to water it down. With that being said, at least those 5 Presidents led in times of a crisis. They were able to reach out to all Americans. Trump has not done that. He has continued to try to divide Americans and ONLY reach out to his base. General Mattis nailed it this past week with his statement. If Trump gets reelected in November, I will be deeply concerned as to what will become of the United States. It's hip and cool to hate on Trump. I'm an educated millennial, been in a long and fruitful career, tax payer, etc. etc. and even I see the bullshit with politics. I'm not a democrat, or a republican either. I don't like Trump, and have significant problems with some of his beliefs, actions, and actions while in office, but I'd take him over Hillary and voted accordingly, and I'll take him again over Biden. Biden's only chance at this point due to a sympathy vote. The world isn't as black and white as many try to make it out to be. Most issues are very complex, most of which have no real solution, except for time, and decades. With time comes change. Nothing we do is going to change anything significant during our time here. But the little things do add up over time. In the meantime, I'll enjoy my stay here out in the country, where no one fucks with anyone for the most part, and people are happy. Edited June 6, 2020 by Sweersa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sweersa said: Black on black violence also doesn't seem to get much attention. The person who is considered Jesus of this BLM movement beat a pregnant woman up. She was also black if that should matter to anyone (I have personally been led to believe all lives should matter but irrespective)? The loony left's moral compass is totally distorted when somebody who beat a pregnant woman up can be lionised as a martyr figure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 36 minutes ago, Draguns said: Are you serious??? I'm 43 years old. I have lived through the eras of President Reagan, George HW Bush, Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama. I didn't agree with Reagan nor the Bushes on somethings. The Bushes did help sign into law the Americans with Disabilities Act and help maintain it when the Republican Party tried to water it down. With that being said, at least those 5 Presidents led in times of a crisis. They were able to reach out to all Americans. Trump has not done that. He has continued to try to divide Americans and ONLY reach out to his base. General Mattis nailed it this past week with his statement. If Trump gets reelected in November, I will be deeply concerned as to what will become of the United States. Well said 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draguns Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Sweersa said: It's hip and cool to hate on Trump. I'm an educated millennial, been in a long and fruitful career, tax payer, etc. etc. and even I see the bullshit with politics. I'm not a democrat, or a republican either. I don't like Trump, and have significant problems with some of his beliefs, actions, and actions while in office, but I'd take him over Hillary and voted accordingly, and I'll take him again over Biden. Biden's only chance at this point due to a sympathy vote. The world isn't as black and white as many try to make it out to be. Most issues are very complex, most of which have no real solution, except for time, and decades. With time comes change. Nothing we do is going to change anything significant during our time here. But the little things do add up over time. In the meantime, I'll enjoy my stay here out in the country, where no one fucks with anyone for the most part, and people are happy. I don't know what to tell you. For me, 2020 proves that the office of the President of the United States of America is above and beyond Trump's head and abilities. I also have a different perspective since I have a disability. As a kid of the 80s to today, I have fought against people like Trump who have made fun of people with disabilities and have discriminated against people with disabilities. It's not just hip and cool to hate Trump for me. Lastly, I have read his book and attended a few of speaking events in the 2000s. He comes off as being a bit of a jerk who thinks he knows it all but doesn't. He was very fortunate this he was born with a silver spoon. Edited June 6, 2020 by Draguns typo 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stay.Of.Execution Posted June 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: The person who is considered Jesus of this BLM movement beat a pregnant woman up. She was also black if that should matter to anyone (I have personally been led to believe all lives should matter but irrespective)? The loony left's moral compass is totally distorted when somebody who beat a pregnant woman up can be lionised as a martyr figure. You do realize it's not just about Floyd but that his death represents the systematic racism black people are going through in the states? His death was the tip of the iceberg that made people say: enough is enough. And even if he wasn't a perfect person - what gives you the right as a white person to talk down the movement? Maybe it's just the fact you're not so fond of black people in general? It's obvious that that's the case. Edited June 7, 2020 by StayofExecution2020 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, StayofExecution2020 said: You do realize it's not just about Floyd but that his death represents the systematic racism black people are going through in the states? His death was the tip of the iceberg that made people say: enough is enough. And even if he wasn't a perfect person - what gives you the right as a white person to talk down the movement? Maybe it's just the fact you're not so fond of black people in general? It's obvious that that's the case. If critical and not ''towing the line'', it doesn't take long for somebody to accuse you of being ''racist'' - and you have just amply demonstrated that so thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WhazUp Posted June 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: The person who is considered Jesus of this BLM movement beat a pregnant woman up. She was also black if that should matter to anyone (I have personally been led to believe all lives should matter but irrespective)? The loony left's moral compass is totally distorted when somebody who beat a pregnant woman up can be lionised as a martyr figure. Ultimately though, the arresting officers' job wasn't to be the judge, jury, and executioner of this guy regardless of his past - they were there to figure out the situation that particular day and detain him if need be so that the legal system can do it's thing. So when you say the moral compass of the left is distorted, I don't agree with that assertion. The protests are not about "George was a good man his whole life" but rather "George and many other people had their lives cut short for no reason at the hands of cops" and it is seemingly a problem that is both race related and systematic at its core Edited June 7, 2020 by WhazUp 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, WhazUp said: Ultimately though, the arresting officers' job wasn't to be the judge, jury, and executioner of this guy regardless of his past - they were there to figure out the situation that particular day and detain him if need be so that the legal system can do it's thing. So when you say the moral compass of the left is distorted, I don't agree with that assertion. The protests are not about "George was a good man his whole life" but rather "George and many other people had their lives cut short for no reason at the hands of cops" and it is seemingly a problem that is both race related and systematic at its core I agree with you completely with your first paragraph - the cop clearly used excessive force and should be imprisoned for manslaughter. But regarding the second. I am not entirely sure he was killed for racist issues to be honest considering he was high on meths at the time and resisted arrest. There are better people, that have been killed for racist issues, who can be adopted as a martyr figures than this violent thug. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WhazUp Posted June 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: I agree with you completely with your first paragraph - the cop clearly used excessive force and should be imprisoned for manslaughter. But regarding the second. I am not entirely sure he was killed for racist issues to be honest considering he was high on meths at the time and resisted arrest. There are better people, that have been killed for racist issues, who can be adopted as a martyr figures than this violent thug. I think one of the reasons why this particular situation sparked the protests was because of the video. That video is so difficult to watch, and is 10 minutes of tenseness, agony, and pleading both from George and the people there trying to get the cop to get his knee off of him. And the video is high quality and captures enough where we can see there being more than enough opportunity for the cops to get him into the cop car and de-escelate the situation And when you take a look at all the recent cases these past few yeras - Freddie Gray, John Crawford III, Tamir Rice, etc. - having all of these cases of black people killed via cops, to me I can see how this video would be the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak. Especially with this video being pretty much right on the heels of the situation with Ahmaud Arbery Edited June 7, 2020 by WhazUp 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay.Of.Execution Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 3 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: If critical and not ''towing the line'', it doesn't take long for somebody to accuse you of being ''racist'' - and you have just amply demonstrated that so thank you very much. I wouldn't want to admit on a public forum that I am racist or hold racist views either. I think that you geniuenly believe you aren't. But the writing's on the wall 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 29 minutes ago, StayofExecution2020 said: I wouldn't want to admit on a public forum that I am racist or hold racist views either. I think that you geniuenly believe you aren't. But the writing's on the wall Cite an example of me demonstrating ''racist views''. If I did, you should be able to find them and quote it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay.Of.Execution Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Cite an example of me demonstrating ''racist views''. If I did, you should be able to find them and quote it.... First. I just called you out on one. I also called you out on occasional disgusting posts you made in the politics thread. You'll never admit the racist nature of your posts anyways so there's no reason to discuss this any further and spamming this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Just now, StayofExecution2020 said: First. I just called you out on one. I also called you out on occasional disgusting posts you made in the politics thread. You'll never admit the racist nature of your posts anyways so there's no reason to discuss this any further and spamming this thread. Then you should be able to quote one quite easily... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay.Of.Execution Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Then you should be able to quote one quite easily... Those posts dont belong here, Hermann. If you wanna discuss it, you can pm me. But I can't promise you that I'll be interested in further conversations with you. You know what You said in those threads. End of story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 1 minute ago, StayofExecution2020 said: Those posts dont belong here, Hermann. If you wanna discuss it, you can pm me. But I can't promise you that I'll be interested in further conversations with you. You know what You said in those threads. End of story I guess there are no examples of ''racist views'' then! You also claimed that I am ''not so fond of black people in general'' and that ''It's obvious that that's the case''; if this ''obvious'' you should then be able to produce examples of me (demonstrating a lack of fondness for black people) then? Do you even know what ''racist/racism'' means? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alfierose Posted June 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2020 Can we draw a line under this back and forth now and take it to the politics thread if need be. Thanks 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 So... how about that Slash. He sure likes them animals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 I have removed a load of off topic posts. Please use the politics thread for those discussions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyserSoze Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 its been a full week since they've said anything on social media, and that post was forced. anyone else feel like they are laying low for fear they may get cancelled if they release any sort of statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay.Of.Execution Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said: its been a full week since they've said anything on social media, and that post was forced. anyone else feel like they are laying low for fear they may get cancelled if they release any sort of statement? Wtf you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 11 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said: its been a full week since they've said anything on social media, and that post was forced. anyone else feel like they are laying low for fear they may get cancelled if they release any sort of statement? Why do you think it was forced? They all posted it on their personal social media accounts (except Axl - but we know that Axl posts randomly whenever he feels like it). I see Fernando has been active on twitter and reddit posting about BLM. And why should they make a statement? Maybe the official social media hasn't been updated because they think it would be inappropriate to post anything else now. Or, more likely, in typical GnR fashion, they're simply slow in updating their social media. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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