Ratam Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Lio said: Niven, just shut up, bitter old man. We get it, you despise Axl, who is the root of all evil. Like the most people that believe in the devil , he is enough schematic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RageKage Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Niven= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, RageKage said: Niven= I was thinking narcissist but psychopath will also do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live Like a Suicide Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Lio said: Niven, just shut up, bitter old man. We get it, you despise Axl, who is the root of all evil. Guns have many beggars and hangers-on. Niven is just attaching himself to the only thing he was somewhat relevant for. The only thing is, he doesn't see that most people frankly don't give a shit about him 27 years later. Edited January 7, 2019 by Live Like a Suicide 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 NIVEN call Axl Mr. 50%... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Regarding Adler, I prefer believing what Slash said rather than some manager, thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwick1 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 33 minutes ago, Ratam said: NIVEN call Axl Mr. 50%... Niven needs to just STFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 38 minutes ago, Kwick1 said: Niven needs to just STFU. yes, he can't let go, too resentment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA_0013 Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 Niven lives on the past more than GNR do - and that’s saying something 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 What happened behind the scenes to set off Niv like this? Did TB send a lawsuit his way? Usually Niven fires off like that when provoked going by his past MO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Blackstar Posted January 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, RONIN said: What happened behind the scenes to set off Niv like this? Did TB send a lawsuit his way? Usually Niven fires off like that when provoked going by his past MO I don't think Niven ever needed specific provocation to talk like this. If there's something now, maybe it's that Goldstein has been talking a lot too lately. These two get triggered by each other. 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalbi Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) I want Axl to write lyrics about politics so bad. Wether or not you agree with the guy's views, you can't deny he really cares and I'm sure it would make fucking inspired songs. That's what the world needs. Edited January 7, 2019 by Nalbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 17 hours ago, Sydney Fan said: Interesting, i thought niven was still managing guns when steven was in the band and doug didnt come in until about 91 when the illusions were ready to drop?. He didn't become GnR's manager until '91 but he was in the inner circle from the late-AFD period onwards iirc. Niven seems to be suggesting that Doug played a more prominent role in Steven's ouster than we previously thought - which doesn't seem all that far fetched I suppose given how Goldstein operates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Niven forgot to say that he was fully behind the Adler "probation contract" (if it wasn't all his idea). Also, by all accounts, they were probably already rehearsing with Sorum when the incident with Erin happened. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MillionsOfSpiders Posted January 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) Steven’s brother replied to Mitch Lafons FB post about Nivens latest little hissy: https://www.facebook.com/784729192/posts/10156616853964193/ Edited January 7, 2019 by MillionsOfSpiders 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Blackstar said: Niven forgot to say that he was fully behind the Adler "probation contract" (if it wasn't all his idea). Also, by all accounts, they were probably already rehearsing with Sorum when the incident with Erin happened. Agreed. Seems like Adler's firing was inevitable by then regardless of what may or may not have happened with Erin. I think the "Adler having sex with Erin" story originates from Ross Halfin right? "Then the record went huge, and off they went, like a rollercoaster," says Halfin. "All that ego started coming from Alan Niven - his view was 'fuck everyone', and that rubbed off on Axl. His insecurity just became this massive ego." In 1990, he fired Steven Adler (Halfin claims, because Adler had sex with Rose's fiancée Erin Everly, then shot her full of heroin), and put the other members under contract. In late 1991, Izzy Stradlin left when he was told he could no longer step forward when taking a guitar solo -- https://www.theguardian.com/music/2004/mar/13/popandrock.gunsnroses Edited January 7, 2019 by RONIN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, RONIN said: Agreed. Seems like Adler's firing was inevitable by then regardless of what may or may not have happened with Erin. I think the "Adler having sex with Erin" story originates from Ross Halfin right? "Then the record went huge, and off they went, like a rollercoaster," says Halfin. "All that ego started coming from Alan Niven - his view was 'fuck everyone', and that rubbed off on Axl. His insecurity just became this massive ego." In 1990, he fired Steven Adler (Halfin claims, because Adler had sex with Rose's fiancée Erin Everly, then shot her full of heroin), and put the other members under contract. In late 1991, Izzy Stradlin left when he was told he could no longer step forward when taking a guitar solo -- https://www.theguardian.com/music/2004/mar/13/popandrock.gunsnroses That guy is quite a character. On his website he used to talk about all artists and bands he photographed and he didn't shy away from giving his honest opinions. Not many people in that business dare to do that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, RONIN said: Agreed. Seems like Adler's firing was inevitable by then regardless of what may or may not have happened with Erin. I think the "Adler having sex with Erin" story originates from Ross Halfin right? In 1990, he fired Steven Adler (Halfin claims, because Adler had sex with Rose's fiancée Erin Everly, then shot her full of heroin), and put the other members under contract. In late 1991, Izzy Stradlin left when he was told he could no longer step forward when taking a guitar solo -- https://www.theguardian.com/music/2004/mar/13/popandrock.gunsnroses The Guardian article has many inaccuracies, but the Ross Halfin quotes are interesting. The story also originates from Steven himself, who blamed the McCoy's (Andy and Angela) for telling Axl that. Andy McCoy has implied it in his book (that Steven might have done that). Niven himself also has said that "Axl was convinced that Erin was raped and drugged" (quote in Mick Wall's 2016 book, probably taken from unedited 2011 interview). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 30 minutes ago, RONIN said: He didn't become GnR's manager until '91 but he was in the inner circle from the late-AFD period onwards iirc. Niven seems to be suggesting that Doug played a more prominent role in Steven's ouster than we previously thought - which doesn't seem all that far fetched I suppose given how Goldstein operates. Niven and Goldstein, as The Stravinsky Brothers, were both referred to as co-managers of GN'R before 1991. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson87 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I'm seeing a bunch of shitting on Niven. Someone bring me up to speed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, SoulMonster said: Niven and Goldstein, as The Stravinsky Brothers, were both referred to as co-managers of GN'R before 1991. As per Niven: The former tour manager of Guns n Roses [Goldstein] has an integrity that matches his math; my contract with Guns n Roses was finally signed October 1986. I had started working with the band in August. Mr. Rose walked away from his obligations to the extended contract in March of 1991. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: Niven and Goldstein, as The Stravinsky Brothers, were both referred to as co-managers of GN'R before 1991. Ah so that was where the stravinsky brothers name came from. Thanks soulmonster. I remember seeing that name i think in the appetite liner notes and wondered what that name referred to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, RONIN said: As per Niven: The former tour manager of Guns n Roses [Goldstein] has an integrity that matches his math; my contract with Guns n Roses was finally signed October 1986. I had started working with the band in August. Mr. Rose walked away from his obligations to the extended contract in March of 1991. Niven was the manager and Goldstein tour manager. Then, at some point, Goldstein and Niven became the Stravinsky Brothers and Goldstein was promoted to band manager together with Niven. Already back in the summer of 1989 does media refer to Goldstein as one of the band's manager. Then in early 1991 Axl started to sever ties with Niven and before May he was out. At least that's my working theory based on articles up to August 1991 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said: Steven is the founding and best drummer of GNR. But if he drugged and raped Erin I can't possibly comprehend why Axl should get any flak for firing him. I mean that's the kind of stuff you might kill someone over. I think the question is was the sex consensual?., axl wasnt there so hes going on heresay. I think steven aludes that it was....or was all of this bullshit and a reason for axl to get rid of steven?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lio Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, Blackstar said: The Guardian article has many inaccuracies, but the Ross Halfin quotes are interesting. The story also originates from Steven himself, who blamed the McCoy's (Andy and Angela) for telling Axl that. Andy McCoy has implied it in his book (that Steven might have done that). Niven himself also has said that "Axl was convinced that Erin was raped and drugged" (quote in Mick Wall's 2016 book, probably taken from unedited 2011 interview). Andy McCoy, that's him. I remember reading that. Where he was telling the whole story about Steven standing there just smiling stupidly while they were trying to get to Erin to help her, as she was locked in a bedroom? I don't know if I ever read about him having sex with her, but the OD I remember. It seemed quite a plausible story to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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