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Seriously, can anyone imagine an oldgnr member raping another woman? Especially Steven? no way that this happened. if there would be anything true on that story Adler would be banned in Axls life 4ever. While saying this i always suspected an affair of Slash and Steph. Cause that would be the only reason for a man to ban another man for years...

Erin was very childish back in the day...so take it with a big grain of salt. Adler giving her heroine...maybe. Having sex with her? only under the influence of heavy drugs like heroine. but raping her? no way. Axl would have killed and banned him 4ever.

 

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8 hours ago, Blackstar said:

For the record, my opinion is that none of them has told the full truth.
 

Probably none of them are innocent, neither is Erin for that matter. I don't think anyone ever said she was forced to take drugs and she was a grown woman, not an innocent child either. So they probably all have some responsibility/guilt.

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10 hours ago, Creed said:

 

Erin was very childish back in the day...so take it with a big grain of salt. Adler giving her heroine...maybe. Having sex with her? only under the influence of heavy drugs like heroine. but raping her? no way. Axl would have killed and banned him 4ever.

 

 

11 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Steven is the founding and best drummer of GNR. But if he drugged and raped Erin I can't possibly comprehend why Axl should get any flak for firing him. I mean that's the kind of stuff you might kill someone over.

I think in this case laws would have intervened, if that story was true

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On 1/7/2019 at 3:02 PM, RONIN said:

Could this have been what set off ol' Niven?

Goldstein also discussed Adler suing the band, and how that hurt the possibility of him coming back after his dismissal in 1990.

“I think that had he not sued everybody, it would have been a possibility, but once that was thrown out there, it’s amazing, once you have to reach into your own pocket to spend money for legal defense, and those are big numbers. I personally spent $500,000. We settled on the court room steps, which means we didn’t wait for the jury to comeback. When you do that, they do what’s called a jury debriefing, so my attorney, god rest his soul, Howard King got to go first and the jury foreman stood up and said, ‘The only question we have is, is your client married?’ My lawyer said, ‘I don’t understand the relevance.’

He said, ‘This guy didn’t do anything wrong, we want him to marry our daughters. All he did was try to save the guy’s life.’ Then [Alan] Niven’s attorney came up, and they were going to crucify Niven, because he was at the helm of it. The band didn’t know, the band was following the lead of the manager and the attorney. Literally all I was doing was taking Steven to different rehabs and trying to get him clean.”

 

https://www.alternativenation.net/guns-n-roses-money-splits-revealed-ugly-lawsuit-spent-500000/

Today, Alan Niven has responded to Doug’s claims and wrote:

“1/. The case was not settled on the steps of the court. It was settled immediately before the jury retired, after two weeks of hearings in front of the judge.

2/. Adler’s attorneys offered a settlement of $375,000 after approximately one week of the case being heard – they were concerned they were losing the case. Goldstein and Rose rejected the offer. Thereafter Goldstein and Rose took the stand. At the conclusion of the case I had lunch with the entire jury. They informed me they thought Goldstein was a phony and were amused at his crocodile tears on the stand. They disliked Axl intensely, who seemed medicated and thus cold … these two shifted the case into Adler’s favor.

3/. Goldstein was covered by a litigation insurance that also protected the band. I had put that in place. His claim of paying $500,000 is bullshit.

4/. Subsequent to Rose and Goldstein testimony in court the settlement became something in the order of $2,750,000, from the band and Goldstein. I was tapped for a relatively modest $175,000 – if there was any crucifixion it was of Rose and Goldstein. I further paid over $300,000 in legal fees, out of my own pocket, at the mercy of the actions of Rose and Goldstein.

5/. Yes indeed, that Steven received composing royalties was something of a gift – the policy was that while one was a member of the band one would benefit from all moneys being shared – one for all and all for one. If you left the band and were not a writer than the privilege ended. This method was used by lots of bands – the idea being to prevent arguments over money destroying band chemistry. Van Halen, for example, did the same. The Boomtown Rats famously lost the plot and fell apart because there was no composing royalty sharing and after the first publishing royalties arrived everyone wanted to be a writer. Sometimes its in everyone’s best interest to share.

No one enforced this on anyone in the band – it was accepted and understood well before Goldstein was employed as tour manager. It was their decision, including Axl. I considered that the band bent and made a gift to Axl that he received a larger share. If anyone actually deserved a larger share it was Izzy.

The fact that Steven sued and benefitted was not appropriate or just. He’d received composing monies he did not have a legal right to. What is more Doug had indeed kept him alive. According to Doug, Adler’s own attorney stated at deposition that Goldstein should have let him die of an overdose. We all worked hard to keep everyone alive. Slash even went turkey in my spare bedroom – I cleaned the vomit from his mouth and counted out the valium. The problem is that once you go to a jury it is generally understood the case becomes basically a beauty pageant – who does the jury like? They didn’t like Rose and Goldstein.

Anyhow, as regards hubris and greed, we need look no further than the fact Axl cut Izzy and Steven out of the recent tour and took the lions share of all income.

As regards Goldstein, Axl’s butt boy, if his lips are moving most likely he’s lying. Ask him about how he participated in the stealing of the name, copyrights and trade marks from the other band members. We all know who had their hands on the helm.

To have been betrayed by G Swine was bad enough … to have to hear or read of him now is anathema.

Regards

AN”

https://metalheadzone.com/ex-guns-n-roses-manager-alan-niven-responds-to-claims-against-himself/

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4 hours ago, RONIN said:

Today, Alan Niven has responded to Doug’s claims and wrote:

“1/. The case was not settled on the steps of the court. It was settled immediately before the jury retired, after two weeks of hearings in front of the judge.

2/. Adler’s attorneys offered a settlement of $375,000 after approximately one week of the case being heard – they were concerned they were losing the case. Goldstein and Rose rejected the offer. Thereafter Goldstein and Rose took the stand. At the conclusion of the case I had lunch with the entire jury. They informed me they thought Goldstein was a phony and were amused at his crocodile tears on the stand. They disliked Axl intensely, who seemed medicated and thus cold … these two shifted the case into Adler’s favor.

3/. Goldstein was covered by a litigation insurance that also protected the band. I had put that in place. His claim of paying $500,000 is bullshit.

4/. Subsequent to Rose and Goldstein testimony in court the settlement became something in the order of $2,750,000, from the band and Goldstein. I was tapped for a relatively modest $175,000 – if there was any crucifixion it was of Rose and Goldstein. I further paid over $300,000 in legal fees, out of my own pocket, at the mercy of the actions of Rose and Goldstein.

5/. Yes indeed, that Steven received composing royalties was something of a gift – the policy was that while one was a member of the band one would benefit from all moneys being shared – one for all and all for one. If you left the band and were not a writer than the privilege ended. This method was used by lots of bands – the idea being to prevent arguments over money destroying band chemistry. Van Halen, for example, did the same. The Boomtown Rats famously lost the plot and fell apart because there was no composing royalty sharing and after the first publishing royalties arrived everyone wanted to be a writer. Sometimes its in everyone’s best interest to share.

No one enforced this on anyone in the band – it was accepted and understood well before Goldstein was employed as tour manager. It was their decision, including Axl. I considered that the band bent and made a gift to Axl that he received a larger share. If anyone actually deserved a larger share it was Izzy.

The fact that Steven sued and benefitted was not appropriate or just. He’d received composing monies he did not have a legal right to. What is more Doug had indeed kept him alive. According to Doug, Adler’s own attorney stated at deposition that Goldstein should have let him die of an overdose. We all worked hard to keep everyone alive. Slash even went turkey in my spare bedroom – I cleaned the vomit from his mouth and counted out the valium. The problem is that once you go to a jury it is generally understood the case becomes basically a beauty pageant – who does the jury like? They didn’t like Rose and Goldstein.

Anyhow, as regards hubris and greed, we need look no further than the fact Axl cut Izzy and Steven out of the recent tour and took the lions share of all income.

As regards Goldstein, Axl’s butt boy, if his lips are moving most likely he’s lying. Ask him about how he participated in the stealing of the name, copyrights and trade marks from the other band members. We all know who had their hands on the helm.

To have been betrayed by G Swine was bad enough … to have to hear or read of him now is anathema.

Regards

AN”

https://metalheadzone.com/ex-guns-n-roses-manager-alan-niven-responds-to-claims-against-himself/

You can say want you want about alan, but he has a memory like an elephant if the above is true.

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6 hours ago, Sydney Fan said:

You can say want you want about alan, but he has a memory like an elephant if the above is true.

And he shit everyone like an elephant too.....:lol:💩

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22 hours ago, RONIN said:

Today, Alan Niven has responded to Doug’s claims and wrote:

[...]

"4/. Subsequent to Rose and Goldstein testimony in court the settlement became something in the order of $2,750,000, from the band and Goldstein. I was tapped for a relatively modest $175,000 – if there was any crucifixion it was of Rose and Goldstein. I further paid over $300,000 in legal fees, out of my own pocket, at the mercy of the actions of Rose and Goldstein."

The amounts as reported at the time by AP and Billboard magazine:

Former Guns N’ Roses drummer Steven Adler, who was thrown out of the band because he couldn’t kick his heroin habit, got a $2.5 million settlement yesterday in a lawsuit filed against the group and managers.

The agreement, reached shortly before the lawsuit would have gone to the Superior Court jury, awarded Adler $2.3 million from the band, $150,000 from ex-manager Alan Niven and $50,000 from manager Doug Goldstein. [Assosiated Press, Sept. 25, 1993]

So, unless the reports were inaccurate, it seems that the amount Goldstein had to pay was much smaller than Niven's (the legal fees are another matter).

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19 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

The amounts as reported at the time by AP and Billboard magazine:

Former Guns N’ Roses drummer Steven Adler, who was thrown out of the band because he couldn’t kick his heroin habit, got a $2.5 million settlement yesterday in a lawsuit filed against the group and managers.

 

The agreement, reached shortly before the lawsuit would have gone to the Superior Court jury, awarded Adler $2.3 million from the band, $150,000 from ex-manager Alan Niven and $50,000 from manager Doug Goldstein. [Assosiated Press, Sept. 25, 1993]

 

So, unless the reports were inaccurate, it seems that the amount Goldstein had to pay was much smaller than Niven's (the legal fees are another matter).

Do you trust anything Goldstein has to say. 

I reckon his over exaggerating it again.

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2 hours ago, Blackstar said:

I don't trust either Niven or Goldstein. Both of them have agendas and want attention.

Agreed, but Goldstein appears to be significantly less credible than Niven. I feel like with DG you have to search harder for the facts because he's so busy trying to cover his tracks and endear himself to Duff, Slash, and Axl who all seem to loathe him.

With Niven, he wears his dislike for Axl on his sleeve and makes no apologies about it. :lol:

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13 minutes ago, RONIN said:

Agreed, but Goldstein appears to be significantly less credible than Niven. I feel like with DG you have to search harder for the facts because he's so busy trying to cover his tracks and endear himself to Duff, Slash, and Axl who all seem to loathe him.

With Niven, he wears his dislike for Axl on his sleeve and makes no apologies about it. :lol:

Yeah, I agree. In regards to the Adler case Niv and Dougie are bickering over now, though, the reported amounts in the agreement seem to confirm that Dougie was considered less liable than Niven.

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12 hours ago, Tourettes2400 said:

 

To be advertised in the gnr webstore......

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On 1/10/2019 at 9:44 AM, marlingrl03 said:

 

Unreal how healthy and well J Page looks for his age. Considering the Led Zep lifestyle

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9 hours ago, LA_0013 said:

Unreal how healthy and well J Page looks for his age. Considering the Led Zep lifestyle

Im surprised he hasnt done what others seem  to do which is write an autobiography.

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Fernando mentioned Del's name and someone else in the comments as also being a TM....so there are technically 3 of them? Never knew! 

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