The Archer Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, Asia said: It's incredible how some people have gotten stubborn beyond reason That bit there. It does seem very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Riggs Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 2 hours ago, Len B'stard said: Does anyone else look at Slashes social media thingie and think he's a bit of a pranny? Posting pictures of birds with their tits out all the time, come on man, you're fuckin' pushing 60, it's like you never seen a pair of tits before. I mean each to his own and everything, i love a pair of tits as much as the next man but have a bit of dignity eh son? Skulls and tits and zombies ad infinitum, honestly! Slash is 50. That's pushing 60? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post James Bond Posted May 5, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2016 14 minutes ago, Asia said: It's incredible how some people have gotten stubborn beyond reason to see how great Axl/DC is for GNR and refuse even to notice the obvious: that Axl didn't bother to make one photo, not to mention a photoshoot, with the reunited band before or during the tour, that he didn't bother to sit down with Slash in front of the camera to say even one sentence, that he never bothered to speak even once about how excited he was to be doing the GNR reunion gigs - NOTHING!!!! He never even made one proper tweet about this. Not when it was announced, not right before these shows happened, not while they were happening and not once after. But as soon as he got with AC/DC he is suddenly all over the place and getting photographed with Angus. What band are you people fans of? Because if by chance this band is GNR then let me tell you something - your beloved singer has just given you a clear sign that he doesn't give a shit about the band that you just spent your thousands of dollars to see and he makes sure he'll show it as ostensibly as he can. We're in the middle of the first Guns tour in 23 years and we don't even know if it is permanent, if there are any plans for music being released or if it's just a one-off, we don't know if Axl is happy about it or not, if he has any serious plans... Nothing. Who cares about GNR fans and getting photographed with Slash and Duff is obviously not worth his precious time. Oh dear... You want to know why Axl is participating with the promo for AC/DC? The short answer is because he has to. Unlike in Guns, Axl has to listen and answer to Angus. Axl is the outsider here - it's not his band or his territory. The tables have turned. It has absolutely nothing to do with what he's doing or isn't doing for Guns. If anything it could teach him a thing or two about how a normal band operates... 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asia Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) 12 minutes ago, The Archer said: That bit there. It does seem very true. Do you seriously consider it right that he hasn't done any of the things I mentioned above to promote a Guns N'Roses tour that he charges hundreds of dollars for one ticket? That he hasn't made the slightest effort to go out to the fans regarding that? But at the same time it is no problem at all for him to make all that effort for a band that he makes a guest spot in? If you consider it normal and right then there must be someting seriously wrong with your logic. Because so far his behavior regarding this reunion tour is one of the most vivid examples of how he shits on his fans and his band members all along just as he has done for the last 23 years while exactly knowing and being perfectly able to act respectfully when it comes to the fans and members of AC/DC. And to James Bond - yeah, maybe he does it because he has to but in that case it was his obligation to do the same for the GNR fans. While not doing it at all could pass somehow, doing it all for AC/DC and nothing for the Guns fans is not acceptable. There's a distinction being made here that shouldn't be made because it gets really disrespectful at this point. Edited May 5, 2016 by Asia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsinindy Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 20 minutes ago, Asia said: It's incredible how some people have gotten stubborn beyond reason to see how great Axl/DC is for GNR and refuse even to notice the obvious: that Axl didn't bother to make one photo, not to mention a photoshoot, with the reunited band before or during the tour, that he didn't bother to sit down with Slash in front of the camera to say even one sentence, that he never bothered to speak even once about how excited he was to be doing the GNR reunion gigs - NOTHING!!!! He never even made one proper tweet about this. Not when it was announced, not right before these shows happened, not while they were happening and not once after. But as soon as he got with AC/DC he is suddenly all over the place and getting photographed with Angus. What band are you people fans of? Because if by chance this band is GNR then let me tell you something - your beloved singer has just given you a clear sign that he doesn't give a shit about the band that you just spent your thousands of dollars to see and he makes sure he'll show it as ostensibly as he can. We're in the middle of the first Guns tour in 23 years and we don't even know if it is permanent, if there are any plans for music being released or if it's just a one-off, we don't know if Axl is happy about it or not, if he has any serious plans... Nothing. Who cares about GNR fans and getting photographed with Slash and Duff is obviously not worth his precious time. Get over yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 8 minutes ago, Martin Riggs said: Slash is 50. That's pushing 60? Oh well thats makes all the fuckin' difference doesn't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsinindy Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Asia said: Do you seriously consider it right that he hasn't done any of the things I mentioned above to promote a Guns N'Roses tour that he charges hundreds of dollars for one ticket? That he hasn't made the slightest effort to go out to the fans regarding that? But at the same time it is no problem at all for him to make all that effort for a band that he makes a guest spot in? If you consider it normal and right then there must be someting seriously wrong with your logic. Because so far this reunion tour is one of the most vivid examples of how he shits on his fans and his band band members all along just as he has done for the last 23 years while exactly knowing and being perfectly able to act respectfully when it comes to the fans and members of AC/DC. And to James Bond - yeah, maybe he does it because he has to but in that case it was his obligation to do the same for the GNR fans. While not doing it at all could pass somehow, doing it all for AC/DC and nothing for the Guns fans is not acceptable. There's a distinction being made here that shouldn't be made because it gets really disrespectful at this point. Like I said...get over yourself. If it's such an issue for you, don't be a fan of the band, or Axl. It is really that simple. But you need to check the entitlement at the door. You have a right to your opinion, I understand. You also aren't the only one whining about terribly un-important things like this. But seriously if this is how you really feel, why be a fan of the band then? I thought it was about the music, guess you feel differently? Edited May 5, 2016 by tsinindy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post James Bond Posted May 5, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2016 5 minutes ago, Asia said: And to James Bond - yeah, maybe he does it because he has to but in that case it was his obligation to do the same for the GNR fans. While not doing it at all could pass somehow, doing it all for AC/DC and nothing for the Guns fans is not acceptable. There's a distinction being made here that shouldn't be made because it gets really disrespectful at this point. Because there is a distinction. These are two different bands that operate quite differently. Do you also find it disrespectful of Slash and Duff to not do any promo either? They can't be excluded from this because they are just as guilty as Axl. I'm not saying it's right that they haven't don't any promo or that I agree with it, but it is what it is. I'm not going to fly off the handle because Axl is doing it with AC/DC because they are two different situations. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerenityScorp Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I think this AXL/DC thing could be consider as the promotion too. If this is huge success N' His voice sounds more amazing than the last shows, I think it will gain more attention N' People to see Him N' Guns N' Roses on Tour 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoundOfAGun Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 1 hour ago, pablo mercuryrose said: Thursday lunchtime down the fucking legion! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud10 Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Mystery is how GNR operates, and it's worked so far. Just think of all the frustration leading up to April 1st, and then everything was thrown at us at once. I fully expect to be waiting for any other future developments, but that just comes with being a fan. Geesh I waited long enough for CD, let alone this tour. Everything will work out in the end. AC/DC is a well oiled machine going through somewhat of a pr crisis despite how Axl sounds, and they need to do promotion. Guns are being viewed positively in the press and selling out stadiums throughout the country. Different beasts here. Im sure they'll promote when/if they need to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 41 minutes ago, James Bond said: Because there is a distinction. These are two different bands that operate quite differently. Do you also find it disrespectful of Slash and Duff to not do any promo either? They can't be excluded from this because they are just as guilty as Axl. I'm not saying it's right that they haven't don't any promo or that I agree with it, but it is what it is. I'm not going to fly off the handle because Axl is doing it with AC/DC because they are two different situations. It's still kind of frustrating though... Regardless of how cool Vegas was its kind of bull that they do no promotion for GNR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Archer Posted May 5, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) 11 hours ago, Asia said: Do you seriously consider it right that he hasn't done any of the things I mentioned above to promote a Guns N'Roses tour that he charges hundreds of dollars for one ticket? That he hasn't made the slightest effort to go out to the fans regarding that? But at the same time it is no problem at all for him to make all that effort for a band that he makes a guest spot in? If you consider it normal and right then there must be someting seriously wrong with your logic. Because so far this reunion tour is one of the most vivid examples of how he shits on his fans and his band band members all along just as he has done for the last 23 years while exactly knowing and being perfectly able to act respectfully when it comes to the fans and members of AC/DC. And to James Bond - yeah, maybe he does it because he has to but in that case it was his obligation to do the same for the GNR fans. While not doing it at all could pass somehow, doing it all for AC/DC and nothing for the Guns fans is not acceptable. There's a distinction being made here that shouldn't be made because it gets really disrespectful at this point. Whether I consider it right or not, is not the question. The question is - 'In terms of publicity, what does the band want, and what are the circumstances or situations that determine what they do?' You can speculate about this till the cows come home, but without actually knowing what goes on beyond the scenes, it's just that. Speculation. Look, I get that you want GN'R to succeed - and in particular, you want this reunion to succeed and are excited about the world getting to see how great GN'R really are, especially since Slash and Duff are now back in the band. I do too and I would love to see everything possible happen, that would make that a reality. But I am not going to sit here and complain about every little shortcoming, perceived or real. For the record, I consider any publicity, good or bad a good thing. As long as it isn't self-defeating publicity. Axl doing these shows with AC/DC only brings more attention to him and to GN'R and keeps the reunion in the spotlight. Also, as you can attest to the fact yourself, Axl has his share of detractors (both among GN'R fandom and in the general public). Anything that he does to change some of those perceptions is only a good thing. I'd bet that any tour or song or record that GN'R (even with Slash and Duff on board) might do after Axl does this stint with AC/DC, will get only more attention from people who will now be willing to give him another look. Even the press might view Axl more favorably in the long term, because he is willing to pull back and give others the spotlight. GN'R only comes across better by being publicly associated with AC/DC, not worse. Now, back to your point about GN'R specific publicity. While I think that there's been considerable press about the reunion, maybe there's not been enough or all that could have been possibly done. I was looking forward to Axl on Kimmel, but disappointed that it didn't happen (but there were probably reasons for it - maybe they wanted to preserve some sort of surprise or were waiting for a better moment). In some ways, the limited publicity has only increased anticipation among the die-hard fans. But, maybe it's not enough to win over more casual fans and new listeners - we'll have to see if they stick to that strategy and still sell out stadiums everywhere, to determine if that was detrimental. Would it have been better if there had been photoshoots and interviews? Probably. But, I don't really care at guessing why not. However, since by indeterminable logic, you want to speculate that it's just because Axl wants to be mean to his band members by downplaying them and mean to his adoring fans by starving them of exciting tid-bits about how the GN'R peace pipe was lit and smoked, let me attempt an alternative explanation. I think that it could be possible that Duff and Slash and Axl came to an agreement that it would be better to avoid pointed interview/media questions and gossip, while they worked on agreeing to bury past demons and while giving the latest line-up some time to function normally. Case in point, do you remember those old interviews that Slash and Duff did while promoting VR, where they were happy to diss Axl? I'm sure that things have changed since then, but the subject of acrimony surely sells - often in the wrong way. I would wager that if those comments or umpteen other points of discord would be brought up in new interviews, and if people misspoke or were embarrassed, THAT would get more publicity on the airwaves and media and among the general public. Furthering negative views about the band will gain more traction than the story of how they got back together (which is what I'm sure you, I and many die-hard fans would love to hear - but casual fans, not so much). I think that GN'R will do more publicity on its own terms, when they are ready - it may not be the exact kind that some fans want to see, but as long as they are getting enough external publicity on their own steam, it's perfectly fine by me. If they are waiting for the tour to conclude, or Axl to come back from Europe, or for a new album to drop, well that's their call and I'd be thrilled to see what they have for us. On the other hand, if they mutually agreed to let their music - both live performances, and possibly (I hope) new recordings speak for themselves, rather than running the risk of speaking out randomly and causing discord, I'd say more power to them. I remember Duff's blog post on the Seattle Weekly after he made peace with Axl - he was very specific about how much it meant to him personally and how he valued the need for privacy around it and how trust takes time. Maybe these guys just want to keep it between themselves for a while. So, even if they (and I really, really don't want to convince myself that after coming back to GN'R, Slash and Duff are mindless morons doing everything at the behest of puppet master Uncle Axl ) can't agree on everything in terms of publicity, or just decide to not do any at all because that's what works best for them, I'm not going to sit here and crib because I think that they are out to get me. Lastly, being a die-hard fan of one band, doesn't mean that you can't be a die-hard fan of another band. Further, if you appreciate the hard Rock N' Roll school of music, you can appreciate that the members of GN'R spent quite a bit of time being schooled at the church of AC/DC. For the umpteenth time, Axl (and Slash) are devotees of AC/DC. If they don't have a problem with some AC/DC love, it might be a good idea not wasting any time being upset about it. Edited May 6, 2016 by The Archer 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 46 minutes ago, tsinindy said: Like I said...get over yourself. If it's such an issue for you, don't be a fan of the band, or Axl. It is really that simple. But you need to check the entitlement at the door. You have a right to your opinion, I understand. You also aren't the only one whining about terribly un-important things like this. But seriously if this is how you really feel, why be a fan of the band then? I thought it was about the music, guess you feel differently? if you honestly believe the way GNR have been doing things is acceptable then maybe you need to get over yourself. Because like it or not, fact is, it is NOT acceptable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsinindy Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 3 minutes ago, Billsfan said: if you honestly believe the way GNR have been doing things is acceptable then maybe you need to get over yourself. Because like it or not, fact is, it is NOT acceptable It actually is...they don't owe you or anyone a god damn thing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
November_rain Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 4 hours ago, SerenityScorp said: I really love this! That looks pretty cool! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom2112 Posted May 5, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 5, 2016 8 minutes ago, Billsfan said: if you honestly believe the way GNR have been doing things is acceptable then maybe you need to get over yourself. Because like it or not, fact is, it is NOT acceptable What's not acceptable about it? They are on the road, playing shows! that's ALL you actually NEED TO KNOW. You don't need to know who is or isn't a full member. You don't need to know how much money is going to who. You don't need to know how, or why it came together and finally, while it would be interesting to us all, we don't need to know when or if they are going to release new music. All that info would be really interesting to hear, but they really don't have to be forthcoming with any of that stuff until they decide otherwise. Needs and wants. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnr5 Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 5 minutes ago, Tom2112 said: What's not acceptable about it? They are on the road, playing shows! that's ALL you actually NEED TO KNOW. You don't need to know who is or isn't a full member. You don't need to know how much money is going to who. You don't need to know how, or why it came together and finally, while it would be interesting to us all, we don't need to know when or if they are going to release new music. All that info would be really interesting to hear, but they really don't have to be forthcoming with any of that stuff until they decide otherwise. Needs and wants. That's like saying my wife went out at night without telling me, but I'm just glad she came home at some point. I'm a fan, I want to know if there will be new music, and I want to know how/why Slash is back with Duff. I want to know who is a member and I want to know who isn't. I feel like every other band I follow I know those answers, but for GNR I don't. Yet, GNR still is my favorite ever. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
challenger70rt Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 28 minutes ago, Billsfan said: if you honestly believe the way GNR have been doing things is acceptable then maybe you need to get over yourself. Because like it or not, fact is, it is NOT acceptable Uh, I find it acceptable. I mean, do I like it it? No, not necessarily, but they don't owe me an explanation or anything else for being a fan. It's their band, their business and they can choose how to run it. If I don't like the way they operate to an extent that it becomes a major problem for me then I am more then welcome to cease being a fan, and no longer use any of my income to their betterment. You may not like this, but your not an "insider", you have no stake in what they do, and your relationship with the band amounts to nothing more then a business transaction--no more, no less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprite Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, gnr5 said: That's like saying my wife went out at night without telling me, but I'm just glad she came home at some point. I'm a fan, I want to know if there will be new music, and I want to know how/why Slash is back with Duff. I want to know who is a member and I want to know who isn't. I feel like every other band I follow I know those answers, but for GNR I don't. Yet, GNR still is my favorite ever. That's not like that at all. Hahaha whaaaaaat? Your bound to your wife both legally and morally. That's a lot different than being a fan of a band that you hope to hear information from. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 2 hours ago, Asia said: This exactly! I mean, I really don't fucking get it... Was being filmed with Slash and saying three sentences below his dignity or what? I mean how many of his most faithful fans waited decades to see something like that. I thought he didn't do that because of the media but apparently not since the media don't bother him anymore with AC/DC... I would say that Axl and Slash rocking out on stage is 1000 times more important and a treat to the fans than the two guys sitting down together and saying a few words. That's just me though. I supoose fans have different priorities tho in terms of what they expect from a band. For me, the music is what's important. More so than seeing the boys chilling offstage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 (edited) 41 minutes ago, tsinindy said: It actually is...they don't owe you or anyone a god damn thing. Yeah ok axl. Love that mature approach I really missed it from this "band" Edited May 5, 2016 by Billsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubicon Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 It's damn annoying though... I want to know if/when they're hitting Europe. And seriously, as long as everyone is keeping their mouth shut I still have this awkward feeling they're just doing it for the cash. Jeez, even Slash (who's normally doing a shitload of interviews) is silent... That just sucks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 22 minutes ago, Tom2112 said: What's not acceptable about it? They are on the road, playing shows! that's ALL you actually NEED TO KNOW. You don't need to know who is or isn't a full member. You don't need to know how much money is going to who. You don't need to know how, or why it came together and finally, while it would be interesting to us all, we don't need to know when or if they are going to release new music. All that info would be really interesting to hear, but they really don't have to be forthcoming with any of that stuff until they decide otherwise. Needs and wants. Maybe they don't have to but they should. 3 months ago you and half these peeps liking all the same comments would have absolutely disagreed. The band sounding ok in Vegas doesn't change that. I guess we all just happened to forget so yeah it's sooooo cool of them to keep their fans in the dark 8 minutes ago, Sprite said: That's not like that at all. Hahaha whaaaaaat? Your bound to your wife both legally and morally. That's a lot different than being a fan of a band that you hope to hear information from. A band that SHOULD share the information. But yeah they're so cool because axl got his voice in the shape that he should have so yeah who cares about getting new music or even finding out if it's the cards.. It may not be owed but it still doesn't make it right to keep people in the dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsinindy Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, Billsfan said: Maybe they don't have to but they should. 3 months ago you and half these peeps liking all the same comments would have absolutely disagreed. The band sounding ok in Vegas doesn't change that. I guess we all just happened to forget so yeah it's sooooo cool of them to keep their fans in the dark Then don't be a fan of its "not acceptable" to you dude. It's their life, not yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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