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Fair enough.

I believe Liam Neeson was considered for Bond when the search was on for GoldenEye.

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I am glad they are bringing back the Walther PPK. It was such an iconic gun for Bond. In the novels he started out using a Beretta 418 which was a weak gun, a gun enthusiast had to write Flemming a letter calling the gun a "lady's gun" and that the PPK would be more suitable. They haven't used the gun since Goldeneye and since A View to a Kill they used a more modern version.

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When I was younger, I'd always get confused as to whether it was a PPK or a PP7, since both terms were bandied about quite a lot.

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From Russia with Love is the best bond imo, Casino Royal, Goldfinger and the Spy Who Loved Me are also great, shame about Die Another Die, its opening 15mins were amazing....then it went to shit.

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When I was younger, I'd always get confused as to whether it was a PPK or a PP7, since both terms were bandied about quite a lot.

PP7 was the video game version. It's the same gun.

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When I was younger, I'd always get confused as to whether it was a PPK or a PP7, since both terms were bandied about quite a lot.

PP7 was the video game version. It's the same gun.

Yeah - PPK is the real version - PP7 was to avoid infringement, like the other guns in the game.

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Does anyone else think that Jon Hamm would be the perfect American version of Bond?

I think he could play the shit out of that role.

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When I was younger, I'd always get confused as to whether it was a PPK or a PP7, since both terms were bandied about quite a lot.

PP7 was the video game version. It's the same gun.

Yeah - PPK is the real version - PP7 was to avoid infringement, like the other guns in the game.

Wasn't that the only time they ever did that? After that they had no problems.

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When I was younger, I'd always get confused as to whether it was a PPK or a PP7, since both terms were bandied about quite a lot.

PP7 was the video game version. It's the same gun.

Yeah - PPK is the real version - PP7 was to avoid infringement, like the other guns in the game.

Wasn't that the only time they ever did that? After that they had no problems.

They changed the names in The World Is Not Enough too. The Walther P99, for example, became the Wolfram P2K. Off hand I can't remember what the guns were called in the more recent games or if they retained the originals.

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So according to contract, Daniel Craig is signed for one more movie. I bet if this film is a success he will sign for more. He can't be Bond forever but the man can pull it off until he's 50.

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So according to contract, Daniel Craig is signed for one more movie. I bet if this film is a success he will sign for more. He can't be Bond forever but the man can pull it off until he's 50.

I would think he's got the same contract every Bond starting with Moore has had. Three films plus an option for a fourth.

A lot of those early Craig haters claimed that Brosnan was fired which wasn't true. He fulfilled his contract and the producers chose not to renew it. Moore was technically done after Moonraker. Each film after was negotiated as a one film deal and they'd always test for new Bonds, often signing Moore at the last minute. The best example is Octopussy. Moore was signed after it was decided they didn't want a fresh Bond going up against an established Bond (Connery) since Never Say Never Again was due for release that year too.

The exception is Timothy Dalton who was granted release from his contract prior to GoldenEye due to the long delay.

I think it all started after the problems with Lazenby and his declining of a seven film contract that was offered by the studio. The producers probably didn't want to go that route again in case things didn't work out with the actor.

As for Craig, both he and the producers seem enthused about the franchise. Michael Wilson said they'd be discussing his future contract after Skyfall and said he'd like to see Craig do eight films and beat Roger's record because of how good of a time they've had working with him. I doubt he'd do eight, but as long as all of the parties are enthusiastic about it, I could see him tying Connery for six.

I don't care how much Craig ages as long as they work it into the story. The problem with Roger's aging was that you had a 57 year old Roger playing a 40 year old Bond.

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Roger didn't really show much age until Octopussy and really showed it for A View to a Kill. Never Say Never Again would have been better if they hadn't reused the Thunderball plot. Maude Adams was old enough to be Kim Bassinger's mother but it worked for 55 year old Roger Moore. He looked really good for his age, even if he was sucking in his gut.

8 films would be great. I know Brosnan was never fired, I think the producers wanted to start over with Bond since Die Another Day was a bit much. I liked Brosnan, but the films he did were poorly written.

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They probably would have kept Pierce longer, but when they finally got the rights to Casino Royale in 1999, I think they became anxious to finally make a proper adaption of the novel. Had they not got the rights I'm sure Pierce would have stuck around for a film or two. Still, it's hard to say. There's no way they could have continued in the direction of Die Another Day. The series would have quickly died. I guess they could have technically made Casino Royale with Pierce and abandoned the origin bits, but Michael Wilson had been eager to do an origin story since the mid-80s.

In the end, I'm glad we've got Craig now.

Speaking of Never Say Never Again though, it's not that bad considering McClory couldn't use any of the EON trademarks. The first half is pretty good and making Connery's age part of the plot was a wise move. The climax falls apart quickly though, and the replacing of the card game with that video game that shocks you is horrendously dated.

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How do you think the series should progress? With it being a reboot and everything, do you think there's any chance we'd see some of the older Fleming novels which were turned into films in the original timeline be re-adapted as events in the current Bond's life?

Rewatching Casino Royale right now by the way, just gotten beyond the pre-credits sequence but even that cemented it as a stone-cold classic.

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How do you think the series should progress? With it being a reboot and everything, do you think there's any chance we'd see some of the older Fleming novels which were turned into films in the original timeline be re-adapted as events in the current Bond's life?

Rewatching Casino Royale right now by the way, just gotten beyond the pre-credits sequence but even that cemented it as a stone-cold classic.

I was just thinking about that today...I think that you might see some parts of Fleming's novels being adapted (and obviously updated for the 21st century), but I think they will continue to keep the title original.

Also, that PTS was the best way to reboot Bond. Such a badass opening.

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How do you think the series should progress? With it being a reboot and everything, do you think there's any chance we'd see some of the older Fleming novels which were turned into films in the original timeline be re-adapted as events in the current Bond's life?

Rewatching Casino Royale right now by the way, just gotten beyond the pre-credits sequence but even that cemented it as a stone-cold classic.

I wish they did the reboots in order of Fleming's books. I don't think Daniel Craig would want to do 13 or 14 James Bond movies though.

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Casino Royale has one of the best pre title sequences. Bond earning his rank not by tests or success in the field but because he had to kill two guys. I remember when fans would get upset about Bond killing unarmed people but the first time he did it in Dr. No was to show a 60's audience what Bond's job requires him to do. In those days the protagonist only kills people if he is serving in a war or is a gangster who gets what is coming to him at the end.

I think they will add elements from the Flemming novels. Flemming only sold them the titles and characters and part of the plot so that leaves a lot of material for future films. I think Skyfall has a great story and I think it may have elements of The Man with the Golden Gun.

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So according to contract, Daniel Craig is signed for one more movie. I bet if this film is a success he will sign for more. He can't be Bond forever but the man can pull it off until he's 50.

I would think he's got the same contract every Bond starting with Moore has had. Three films plus an option for a fourth.

A lot of those early Craig haters claimed that Brosnan was fired which wasn't true. He fulfilled his contract and the producers chose not to renew it. Moore was technically done after Moonraker. Each film after was negotiated as a one film deal and they'd always test for new Bonds, often signing Moore at the last minute. The best example is Octopussy. Moore was signed after it was decided they didn't want a fresh Bond going up against an established Bond (Connery) since Never Say Never Again was due for release that year too.

The exception is Timothy Dalton who was granted release from his contract prior to GoldenEye due to the long delay.

I think it all started after the problems with Lazenby and his declining of a seven film contract that was offered by the studio. The producers probably didn't want to go that route again in case things didn't work out with the actor.

As for Craig, both he and the producers seem enthused about the franchise. Michael Wilson said they'd be discussing his future contract after Skyfall and said he'd like to see Craig do eight films and beat Roger's record because of how good of a time they've had working with him. I doubt he'd do eight, but as long as all of the parties are enthusiastic about it, I could see him tying Connery for six.

I don't care how much Craig ages as long as they work it into the story. The problem with Roger's aging was that you had a 57 year old Roger playing a 40 year old Bond.

I believe Craig's contract is actually written up for four movies, with no additional optional film. But I definitely see him doing more than 4. The thought of 6-8 Craig movies...I'm giddy just thinking about it!

How many more do you guys see Judy Dench doing? She's getting up there in age, I think she is like 77 or something. But one of my favorite things about the Craig movies is the interaction between Craig/Dench...it's a much colder and less trusting relationship than Bond has ever had with M, and I love it.

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I have a feeling this will be Judi Dench's last Bond film. She is by far the best M.

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Judi Dench said earlier this year that she wants to stop acting, apparently her eyesight is so bad she can't even read a script.

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I like Craig as bond and I cant wait to see Skyfall. But püersonally I only rank as third best bond. He's sort of a british hooligan in a suit and lacks a bit of class imo. But it certainly helps the action.

Connery

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Craig

Moore

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P5, you're probably right. Craig was probably given a four film deal without the option. Might have to do with this being the first new Bond cast since Cubby's death. He was still overseeing things when Brosnan was cast and thus probably encouraged that Brosnan get the usual contract. That, plus Brosnan was 42 in 1995 and perhaps there was worry about pulling another Roger if he continued with the films well into his 50s.

This time around, it was all Barbara and Michael's decision. Barbara is the one who came up with Craig and because of his success in the role, I imagine at the very least she'll want to keep him around as long as possible.

There are rumours that this will be Dench's last film and that Ralph Fiennes' character might be established as the new M. I remember reading rumours early on that M might even die, but judging from the trailer and Bond's line "They wanted her to see it" in regards to the MI6 explosion, I'd say it's probably untrue but just people making educated guesses based on some early leaks of script pages and storyboards.

The fact that we still know so little about what's going to unravel in the film makes it that much more exciting.

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