Georgy Zhukov Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 11:47 AM, ZoSoRose said: This needs to be a homerun after Spectre. Especially if it's Craig's last one I liked Spectre. Not as good as Casino Royale or Skyfall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) Spectre found itself pulling in too many directions. It found itself wrapping up the Vesper/White-Quantum mess which Quantum of Solace buggered-up so badly. It decided to carry-on the threads concerning Bond's childhood from Skyfall; it wanted to reintroduce Blofeld. And then it simply had to deliver-up an excellent follow-up to Skyfall. It was pulling apart at the seams! It is still a decent Bond though because, A/ It was directed well and moderately suspenseful, B/ It had a couple of sexy Bond girls C/ It wasn't Quantum of Solace! Edited March 24, 2018 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 I agree, the film's weakness was that it had to tie together the other three films. I would have been fine as Quantum being an arm of Spectre. The rest could be scrapped. Such as Silva being an agent of Blofeld instead of just being a free lance terrorist. That said, it was great to see Mr. White back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) Got to be revised (again)... From Russia With Love Goldfinger On Her Majesty’s Secret Service Casino Royale (2006)Goldeneye Dr No Thunderball Skyfall The Spy Who Loved Me Never Say Never Again The Man With the Golden Gun Licence to Kill The Living Daylights The World Is Not Enough You Only Live Twice Live And Let Die Diamonds Are Forever Spectre For Your Eyes Only Octopussy A View to a Kill Moonraker Tomorrow Never Dies Die Another Day Casino Royal (1967)Quantum of Solace The ones in bold are what I consider top tier - perfect or virtually perfect - Bonds. The next eight are second tier, ''very good'' Bonds. The rest are creaky-to bad. The last three are thoroughly awful. Some explanation is required (as this is a serious business), Quantum is a thoroughly charmless, scriptless and bone-headed exercise in Jason Bournery gunfights and chase sequences so gets my lowest vote. Die Another Day at least is saved by having a camp ''so bad its good'' silliness. Casino Royale (1967) just beats Quantum due to its ''swinging 60s'' milieu (and Ursula Andress). Never Say Never Again and Spectre are all about three or so places higher due to unbelievably sexy Bond Girls, Fatima Blush (Barbara Carrera) and Lucia Sciarra (Monica Bellucci) respectively. A View To Kill may have been absolute bottom but manages a more credible rating due to the sublime villain, Max Zorin (Christopher Walkin). Never Say Never Again, You Only Live Twice and Diamonds Are Forever are probably all a bit higher due to that ''Connery factor'' also. Licence is probably a better thriller than Daylights, but Daylights is a better ''Bond'' - I could go either way. On Her Majesty's Secret Service certainly would be the greatest but it has a shite James so drops to third (it is a credit to how good it is that people rate it so highly despite Lazenby). My underrated Bonds: Never Say Never Again, Man with the Golden Gun and World is Not Enough; I’m probably rating all these higher than most (although I know it is quite trendy these days to be critical of Dr No and Thunderball, two films I simply could not lower). Edited March 25, 2018 by DieselDaisy I changed my mind already haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 6:04 AM, Powerage5 said: I don't know much about Danny Boyle TBH - I've never seen any of his films except Trainspotting and 28 Days Later. Good fit for Bond or no? Shallow Grave is a superb low budget murder drama. I remember it being as iconic to 1990s British cinema as Trainspotting actually - these two films launched him, and possibly launched a new wave of British cinema to be honest. Make sure you watch Shallow Grave, a study on greed and paranoia. He is a bit artier than you'd expect for a Bond - the cold turkey scene in Trainspotting is a good example - although Steve Jobs and Slumdog Millionaire show he can do a more mainstream brand of cinema. He doesn't tend to use scores but favours carefully chosen rock-pop (e.g. Iggy Pop's ''Lust for Life'' in Trainspotting) so that will be interesting as Bond relies on scores. He is a bit of a lefty also, which I suppose created a certain ironic interest when he found himself directing Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II for the Olympics haha. He is a bit of a Len director actually haha. I remember he produced a stinker with DiCaprio (this was during the height of Titanic-Leo mania), The Beach. There was this long lasting feud with Ewan McGregor because Ewan was originally going to do it and felt Boyle had given into ''star appeal'' by opting for Leonardo. Gossipy times! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted March 25, 2018 Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 @DieselDaisy Despite Lazenby as the obvious black sheep I still find it difficult to rank OHMSS any lower than my top spot. You raise a good point - it's a testament to how good the film is that it gets away with Lazenby. With Connery, there's no doubt in my mind that it would universally be considered the greatest Bond film. I don't find Lazenby all bad though. He has some good moments. For a guy that literally didn't have a clue about acting I'm more astonished that it didn't turn out worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Lazenby had good chemistry with Diana Rigg (think they had an affair) and his SAS background made his fight scenes really convincing. The film itself is quality. And Telly Savalas was an excellent Blofeld. I also enjoyed the scenes where Lazenby was dubbed. He probably should have been dubbed the entire film. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) I'll concede Lazenby handled the last scene poignantly. Really, what an idiot Connery was. Left after one camp uneven effort (yolt). Missed the grittiest-Flemingean Bond of all, a movie adding real gravitas to the Bond character. Returned for another camp uneven effort (daf). But I do not think he made his objections on the direction of the films, more the money and a colossal spat with Salztman. Edited March 26, 2018 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 3 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: I'll concede Lazenby handled the last scene poignantly. Really, what an idiot Connery was. Left after one camp uneven effort (yolt). Missed the grittiest-Flemingean Bond of all, a movie adding real gravitas to the Bond character. Returned for another camp uneven effort (daf). But I do not think he made his objections on the direction of the films, more the money and a colossal spat with Salztman. And he couldn't resist coming back again for Never Say Never Again. His career was tanking at that point so he needed go back to his iconic role to be taken seriously. After that he did The Hunt for Red October, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, The Untouchables which he won an Oscar and his greatest film role of all, Highlander. He also had a feud with Broccoli, so staring as James Bond in a non EON remake of Thunderball could have been a fuck you. I don't know if Connery would have pulled off OHMSS. It probably would have helped his career if he did that last scene as good or better than Lazenby did. I always hear mixed results about Lazenby's departure. Some say EON wasn't happy with the film's proceeds and dumped him, but I also heard Lazenby himself turned down a contract for 7 films because he was turning into a hippie and felt Bond would die with the 1960's. In a way he was right, because Bond got more cheesy and campy with Roger Moore. Connery didn't fit in well with the fantasy elements of YOLT but Moore fit perfectly in films like The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker. And he proved he can play it dark and gritty with For Your Eyes Only. The stripped down films don't seem to make as much money as the more fantastical Bond films. But they are the better films. I am hoping Boyle will do a more stripped down approach with Bond 25, but far more substance than Quantum of Solace. Maybe another OHMSS. Bond seems to have a good thing going with Swan. So Blofeld will comeback and kill her and we can see the revenge plot we should have gotten with YOLT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) Lazenby's agent, Ronan O'Rahilly, persuaded him to turn down the seven film deal mid-way through production as the films were ''out of touch with the times''. Further reinforcing this, at the premier of OHMSS Lazenby turned up with long hair and a beard! Edited March 26, 2018 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 They have a fascinating production history. The McClory thing could make a film in itself. ''One Man's Obsession'' would be the tagline. As late as the mid '90s he was still wanting to produce another version, Warhead 2000 AD, with Timothy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 I would have seen another Bond film with Dalton. He could have been the best if he had done more films. I always felt Brosnan was told to play it safe. Tried to find the medium between Connery's suaveness and Moore's humor and charm. But his best scenes is when he was playing it like Dalton did. This scene left an impression on me when I first saw it in theaters. The scene itself was silly except for the ending. I wish they had more scenes like this. This was the one time they didn't play it safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 I love the two Dalton films Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Yeah they were great. The Living Daylights was pretty weak on paper but the film had Dalton. I like the idea of only one Bond girl. I am sure fans were puzzled by it, but his mission was to get Koskov and he did it through the girl. Brosnan's films were too formulated. Give him two chicks each film, so the bros can give him a fist bump. Dalton was the first to break the formula and it took films like Die Another Day to get EON to realize, they had it right with Dalton. So they made Casino Royale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 (edited) Begun replacing my Bond DVD's with Blu Rays. I'll definitely get every film from 1962 to 1989 but I might just hold off on the Brosnan films. Maybe Goldeneye. Edited April 1, 2018 by Georgy Zhukov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted April 1, 2018 Author Share Posted April 1, 2018 11 hours ago, Georgy Zhukov said: Begun replacing my Bond DVD's with Blu Rays. I'll definitely get every film from 1962 to 1989 but I might just hold off on the Brosnan films. Maybe Goldeneye. If you're planning on all but Brosnan it's probably still cheaper to just buy the box set. You can get it brand new for like $80 half the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 2 hours ago, James Bond said: If you're planning on all but Brosnan it's probably still cheaper to just buy the box set. You can get it brand new for like $80 half the time. That's a bargain. Have yet to see it. I got Casino Royale (1967) on Blu Ray. Woody Allen was the best part. So many gorgeous women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted April 2, 2018 Author Share Posted April 2, 2018 6 hours ago, Georgy Zhukov said: That's a bargain. Have yet to see it. I got Casino Royale (1967) on Blu Ray. Woody Allen was the best part. So many gorgeous women. If you don't mind the outer Canadian packaging this ought to be quite the deal for you: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B01HNC6BBO/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1522627787&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=james+bond&dpPl=1&dpID=41XUjEUnBbL&ref=plSrch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted April 2, 2018 Share Posted April 2, 2018 I've already bought a few films. Oh well. Anyone catch the April Fools article on Craig quitting and Tom Hardy being the new Bond? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) Finally getting some rumors and speculation. MGM is looking to be bought out and it seems they are trying to entice buyers with Bond 25. I just hope it won't be Disney. Warner Bros might be the front runner. Edited April 6, 2018 by Georgy Zhukov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 If it is Disney that is Bond buggered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted April 6, 2018 Author Share Posted April 6, 2018 Get Paramount on board and we can have a shared universe between Mission and Bond. Still a better option than Disney. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 (edited) If it is Disney they'll reboot the franchise, pack the films with CGI and a load of Marvel humour. You'll also see a load of spin-offs, a Moneypenny spin-off, a Q film, etc. Edited April 6, 2018 by DieselDaisy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted April 6, 2018 Author Share Posted April 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: If it is Disney they'll reboot the franchise, pack the films with CGI and a load of Marvel humour. You'll also see a load of spin-offs, a Moneypenny spin-off, a Q film, etc. Boothroyd: A James Bond Story 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 4 hours ago, James Bond said: Boothroyd: A James Bond Story J.W. Pepper: A James Bond Story. If any studio needs a hit, it is Warner Brothers. They've lost money on Tomb Raider. Having the Bond series would help them compete with Disney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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