GnR Chris Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) Retrospectively, does the 2002 MTV appearance sound better than what you thought back then? I was just watching it now for whatever reason.Axl certainly has sounded better since, but in the majority of his recent performances, his 2002 voice was stronger. Just asking because that's long been viewed as sort of a mess of a performance. Edited February 21, 2013 by GnR Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 No, I still consider it the worst moment of Axl's career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnR Chris Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 I don't know. Still listening. I know it was a medley of sorts. People then were remembering the old Axl in his prime and shitting on the performance, but I think "Jungle" and "Madagascar" both sound pretty good in the 2002 performance. I think visually it was a mess for a lot of people who remembered the band from a previous era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bellastar2355 Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 First of All he looked fucking ridiculous! He's such a beautiful man and to go out and look that is just cringe worthy! Second, He sounded like he was tired and he was barely moving. Finally, no he didn't sound all that good. Sorry, but he didn't. His voice has gotten worse it's true, but I just really hate this fucking performance. Not worthy of my wonderful Axl. I mean you also have Buckethead onstage! Take advantage of that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustycage Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 He still sounds out of breath and embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Mercury's Ghost Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Axl Rose is Out of Breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustycage Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Axl Rose is Out of Breath Brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddick Bowe Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 The voice isnt very good, but the performance is one of the best Axl has done ever. The energy baby, the energy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnR Chris Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 Yeah, I miss the moves from back then.It all DID look ridiculous, but he was almost expected to be out of breath with nary a bridge and medley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facekicker Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 It did enormous damage to NuGNR. Arguably they never quite recovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saber_ Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 It was an uneven performance by Axl. It had its moments. I love the sound of Brain's drumkit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreCC Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) If you really want to make it sound good, then yes! It is written, you can't change it! It was a disaster! Edited February 21, 2013 by AndreCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F*ck Fear Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Madagascar was the best part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liers Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) Second worse jungle and pc ever, behind bridge school.Best madagascar ever though, IMO, and the best line up of GnR.It was a freakshow, but it was certainly entertaining. The whole band had tons of energy and was exited to be there, the crowd was into it, jimmy fallon was into it, if WTTJ and PC were better, I think it would've gave GnR a pretty good popularity boost, but axl butchering two of GnR's most popular songs really destroyed New GnRs reputation. Edited February 22, 2013 by liers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnrs1972 Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 It was an epic fail. Epic with wttj opening riff with the curtain rising. Great opening scream. But saying jungle welcome to the jungle over and over big fail. Madagascar great and nice handslap with that dude. Paradise city was Huge fail and totally embarrassing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlinkafayette Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 as Axl himself said...."Catastrophe" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Mercury's Ghost Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 the crowd was into itEveryone in the pit was a paid extra - their job was to react to everything like it was the second coming of Christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naupis Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 It did enormous damage to NuGNR. Arguably they never quite recovered.This times a 1,000.You only get one chance to make a first impression.When you are going to do something as ballsy as keep the name of an iconic band the same with only yourself as the remaining member, you need to make sure their introduction to the world goes well.By any metric the entire spectacle was a disaster from the appearance of the band, to Axl's ridiculous wardrobe to his being totally gassed because he wasn't in shape and ready to perform (where have we heard that before)....things just couldn't have gone worse if he tried to.If he went out and smoked that performance looking/sounding like the Axl Rose people remembered and then had an album ready to go a few months later it would have totally changed the trajectory of New GNR.Instead he was left as the punchline to fat jokes with people mocking that "he broke up the original band for this?".This doesn't even begin to touch on the fact that he had no business wasting what was arguably his biggest nut to launching the new band when there was no sign of a record anywhere in sight.Who on God's green earth advised him that debuting the band at that time was a good idea when there was no music ready to go? What he did is something you do to promote the long awaited album, as it was sure to generate a ton of buzz (in this case it did...just not the type he maybe hoped). People were naturally wondering when the album was coming, and Axl was basically left saying "don't hold your breath."To let him go out there unprepared to perform, knowingly throwing away the best promotional opportunity he would ever have to launch the band just screams stupidity.He could have ended the VMA's any year he wanted at that point, and to waste it like he did is just criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stro Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I always wondered why they chose Maddy instead of Chinese or even TWAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesecake Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 It did enormous damage to NuGNR. Arguably they never quite recovered.This times a 1,000.You only get one chance to make a first impression.When you are going to do something as ballsy as keep the name of an iconic band the same with only yourself as the remaining member, you need to make sure their introduction to the world goes well.By any metric the entire spectacle was a disaster from the appearance of the band, to Axl's ridiculous wardrobe to his being totally gassed because he wasn't in shape and ready to perform (where have we heard that before)....things just couldn't have gone worse if he tried to.If he went out and smoked that performance looking/sounding like the Axl Rose people remembered and then had an album ready to go a few months later it would have totally changed the trajectory of New GNR.Instead he was left as the punchline to fat jokes with people mocking that "he broke up the original band for this?".This doesn't even begin to touch on the fact that he had no business wasting what was arguably his biggest nut to launching the new band when there was no sign of a record anywhere in sight.Who on God's green earth advised him that debuting the band at that time was a good idea when there was no music ready to go? What he did is something you do to promote the long awaited album, as it was sure to generate a ton of buzz (in this case it did...just not the type he maybe hoped). People were naturally wondering when the album was coming, and Axl was basically left saying "don't hold your breath."To let him go out there unprepared to perform, knowingly throwing away the best promotional opportunity he would ever have to launch the band just screams stupidity.He could have ended the VMA's any year he wanted at that point, and to waste it like he did is just criminal.Agree with most of your view, except that I didn't and don't think his performance that night was all that bad (OK maybe my standards are low). But yeah, odd time to debut your new band without new songs to promote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Mercury's Ghost Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I always wondered why they chose Maddy instead of Chinese or even TWAT.I'm sure Madagascar was going to be the lead single at that point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustycage Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Doubt it was to be the lead single. It was his statement song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yourcrazy Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 Still think it was horrible. I was so pumped up to see this when it happened and really dissapointed when it was over. Very weak vocals and Madagascar is one of my least favorite tracks off of CD. Should of picked a better song from CD. Still can't believe at the time we were wondering where he had been for so long. Now it's 11 yrs later, and were still wondering when we will get new music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 (edited) I remember watching that on YouTube a few years ago and thinking the first 1:40 or whatever it is, sounded really impressive, then he misqued the timing of the next lyric and Jungle never recovered. That scream is fucking powerful though, and the Madagascar is impressive too. Edited February 22, 2013 by DeanoR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustycage Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 What's impressive about that intro scream? It sounds strangled and nothing like the several other iconic WTTJ intro screams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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