TombRaider Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) I don't pretend I understand what goes on behind the scenes in the brain of a (former) prolific songwriter like Axl Rose. But I was reading one of the threads here, the one about DJ and his hobby comment, and I started wondering if the problem with the new album not being released or written or recorded or whatever is that Axl doesn't creatively click with any of the guys in the current lineup. Even if it's true that Axl hates all or most of the former Gunners or the classic lineup or whatever, we can't deny that the chemistry in that band helped Axl create or help create the songs GnR is famous for and thanks to which GnR ruled the world when they did. Could that be the problem? you know, that there's no spark?Just wondering. EDIT:and I'm not talking about the songs that allegedly exist but which have not been released. I mean, if we never get to hear them, they might as well not exist at all, or I don't care if Axl has written 2,000,000 songs since the original lineup destroyed itself if I can't enjoy them myself.I can come here and claim I am the most prolific author because I´ve written 10 books in the last two years… so what? If I don't let anyone read them I might as well not have written them at all. Edited January 3, 2014 by TombRaider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 The problem is he gets to make all the shots. Back in the days of the old band he had equals who could pressure him into finishing and releasing music.Now it's a mess because he's boss Axl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaider Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 …or maybe he's just not inspired anymore. I'm sure you all know the story behind songs like Paradise City and SCOM, how those were written on the spur of the moment or thanks to Axl being inspired by what the other guys in the band were doing/playing at the moment. I don't know. I'm nitpicking here, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Sorry, when was Axl Rose prolific? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One.In.A.Million Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) The problem is that after the process CD went through, with the whole mess of the release, promotion etc. Axl is simply in no rush at all to go through that all again, especially when the current band can tour mostly on the old catalogue alone.He doesn't see the need to yet again add a new chapter to the band, as I feel he has accepted that the only way this band is going to keep filling arenas, is that if they fully embrace the nostalgia aspect of the past.I truly believe Axl is through with moving Guns forward, and it's hard to blame the guy when you see how the new material has been received (by some).Axl is not hungry for it as he was 10 years ago, simple as... Edited January 3, 2014 by One.In.A.Million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 …or maybe he's just not inspired anymore. I'm sure you all know the story behind songs like Paradise City and SCOM, how those were written on the spur of the moment or thanks to Axl being inspired by what the other guys in the band were doing/playing at the moment. I don't know. I'm nitpicking here, I know. Only Axl knows why he wouldn´t release the CD leftovers. Only Axl knows if he wants to make more music. And only Axl knows what the deal is with the record company. He has to make up his mind. It seems like today he is willing to do a lot of things and he gears up for it only to change his mind tomorrow. He doesn´t know what he wants to do. And I´m afraid he doesn´t have the right people around him to encourge and motivate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TombRaider Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 Sorry, when was Axl Rose prolific? From the mid 80's to the early 90's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Len B'stard Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 (edited) Sorry, when was Axl Rose prolific? From the mid 80's to the early 90's? Uh, was he? How'd you work that out? 3 albums in 7 years ain't really prolific, thats just below average. And even half of them were written earlier. Edited January 3, 2014 by sugaraylen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 music is not being released because of the label Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsh327 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 We really don't know how the label feels about GNR. I've said before if Axl had problems with Interscope, he could do an overseas distribution with Universal, and it's not unheard of for a US band to work with foreign record labels when they're being ignored on home turf. I'm sure the way Lady Gaga recently got trashed for "Artpop", she's going to start blaming the label and the next album is going to take a longer time to make. Gaga, welcome to Axl's world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 We really don't know how the label feels about GNR. I've said before if Axl had problems with Interscope, he could do an overseas distribution with Universal, and it's not unheard of for a US band to work with foreign record labels when they're being ignored on home turf. I'm sure the way Lady Gaga recently got trashed for "Artpop", she's going to start blaming the label and the next album is going to take a longer time to make. Gaga, welcome to Axl's world. Why did she get trashed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Dude Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 You can't rush genius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lies They Tell Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Could that be the problem? you know, that there's no spark?It could be! But then again there's millions of other reasons as well that could be the cause of problems... So I don't really care to speculate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 If he doesn't click with this lineup, just release the rest of the Robin era stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Val22 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I said the same thing. I don't think Axl has anything left to say, but yeah, he might not be inspired with this new band.I mean think of all the amazing songs GNR have recorded. What is there left to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangoSkank Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I'd like to say it's label/management politics, but Ron did say the lineup hasn't recorded together in 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakey Styley Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I wouldn't be able to write a song knowing Ashba was going to participate (or even worse, was in the room with me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Dude Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I wouldn't be able to write a song knowing Ashba was going to participate (or even worse, was in the room with me).Freaky Styley is a really underrated album. Was it Irons on drums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I highly doubt it, cuz if it is true that are 2-3 albums woth of material in the vault that he wrote with the last lineup, it means that he clicked with the older band and we still didn't get much with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haters Gonna Hate Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Probably not I mean who knows what Ashba will do to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakey Styley Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I wouldn't be able to write a song knowing Ashba was going to participate (or even worse, was in the room with me).Freaky Styley is a really underrated album. Was it Irons on drums?Actually Cliff Martinez drummed on the album, though Irons returned right after for the album's tour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Dude Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I wouldn't be able to write a song knowing Ashba was going to participate (or even worse, was in the room with me).Freaky Styley is a really underrated album. Was it Irons on drums?Actually Cliff Martinez drummed on the album, though Irons returned right after for the album's tour.I really dig Jack's drumming. My favorite era of Pearl Jam was with him on drums. I especially liked his drumming on MirrorBall. What Peppers' albums is he on? Is he on Uplift Mofo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerman Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I don't pretend I understand what goes on behind the scenes in the brain of a (former) prolific songwriter like Axl Rose. But I was reading one of the threads here, the one about DJ and his hobby comment, and I started wondering if the problem with the new album not being released or written or recorded or whatever is that Axl doesn't creatively click with any of the guys in the current lineup. Even if it's true that Axl hates all or most of the former Gunners or the classic lineup or whatever, we can't deny that the chemistry in that band helped Axl create or help create the songs GnR is famous for and thanks to which GnR ruled the world when they did. Could that be the problem? you know, that there's no spark?Just wondering. EDIT:and I'm not talking about the songs that allegedly exist but which have not been released. I mean, if we never get to hear them, they might as well not exist at all, or I don't care if Axl has written 2,000,000 songs since the original lineup destroyed itself if I can't enjoy them myself.I can come here and claim I am the most prolific author because I´ve written 10 books in the last two years… so what? If I don't let anyone read them I might as well not have written them at all. good call.. could it be that the old band had the same problems as well.. how to get that sound out of Axls head and down just exactly right? Calls for good communication skills and and direct workability within a team format.it seems to me that in the AFD era what worked was the band actually working together... a riff gets played and built on and something sparked in Axl for inspiration and they collectively built on it... from the ground up. The energy and the collective ideas served as inspiration that lead to new and creative ends. Then they took it to the clubs and worked out the kinks .. that eventually led to AFD and parts of UYI.In reading about some of CD .. here was a music unit composing music seperate and apart from Axl.. he listens to the guitar work onhis own time and pace and then tries to write lyrics or takes lyrics he had already composed and add them over the structure of the existing songs.Then to add vocals to and for the song and tinkers with it. Perhaps thats why I for one dont feel the X factor in so many of the songs on CD. THey seem forced or overthought and over produced or in some cases glorified demos..I have yet to read or hear about the band actually all sitting around and doing that format.. It was said much of UYI was dialed in without the band collectively as a unit all being in one room at the same time...Its kind of a funny thought... but could be true..Axl ordering up the music like he would a fast food meal: Ok for this song BH I need you to take it to Aminor for 3 beats. Fortus you drop the bottom for eight measures and bend to bflat major. Mantia your beat go thump thum thump thump crash boom bang thump.. Tommy your part is dum dum dum do dum...and Fink you just wail wha wha wha wha wha .Ill show Dizzy what to do when I get back"Umm where are you Axl?Im in the bedroom taking a nap.when will you be doneummm about 2004.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 music is not being released because of the labelCan either of you provide one ounce of proof for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcano62 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 music is not being released because of the labelCan either of you provide one ounce of proof for that?There is tons. Use Google my friend.This misery is happening to a lot of artists not just GNR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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