IRanOutOfIdeas Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 This topic has probably been exhausted repeatedly but I haven't been around the forum long enough to see this come up.So yeah, Axl worked with roughly 20 billion producers on CD, including Mike Clink and the guy from Queen. He finally settled on Caram Costanzo, who quite frankly is no slouch (He's got a lot of credits with Pearl Jam and STP and I can't complain there). Nonetheless, all of the producers do not alleviate the fact that Chinese Democracy isn't really that good of an album. It's a thick mess of music that, for the most part, is either inaccessible or just not very good. This all makes me wonder if the producer has anything to do with this problem. If the producer is at fault though, then they can easily be the solution. That being said, I can only wonder what would happen if Rick Rubin, arguably the greatest producer of the past three decades, decided to produce the next GNR album.I mean, he's obviously got a versatile track record; a slew of critically acclaimed albums spanning a variety of genres. From Slayer to the Avett Brothers to Eminem, he's proven he can make a good record regardless of the artist. He's also proven that he can revive a dying career (Johnny Cash, Iggy Pop, Black Sabbath).I think he's exactly what GNR needs; someone who can tell Axl no and push the band in a cohesive direction. I would imagine that he'd be able to do an excellent job in returning the band to its hard rock roots. Aside from that, he could easily use the technical proficiency of the new lineup to his advantage and I could even see him working with the unique sound that defined CD so much. It's not a long-shot to say he could make an album full of songs that were of "Better" quality (In both sound and acclaim) at the very least. I know some audiophiles will complain of how he compresses the music to make it louder. Granted, this is a viable complaint because it's not very easy on the ears, but I don't let it detract from the fact that the man's work is fucking impeccable.So, what do you think? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfuckinga Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I think the first time he tells Axl no, Rick will be looking for a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussiegun Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Rick would be six feet under before the album would get finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfTheWave Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Death Magnetic sounds like shit. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saber_ Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 As long as he didn't over compress the final mix, I could be on board for Rick Rubin producing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRanOutOfIdeas Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 Death Magnetic sounds like shit. No thanks.Is that compressing or just in general? I'll take that over the shit called Load or St. Anger any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfTheWave Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) Death Magnetic sounds like shit. No thanks.Is that compressing or just in general? I'll take that over the shit called Load or St. Anger any day.The compression. I like the music, I just can't stand the sound of the album. Edited January 25, 2014 by ShadowOfTheWave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle Signs Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I'm holding out for Sir George Martin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I think we need a new filter. "Next album" should always be "lol next album." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuanVictor Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) Death Magnetic sounds like shit. No thanks.Is that compressing or just in general? I'll take that over the shit called Load or St. Anger any day.The compression. I like the music, I just can't stand the sound of the album.He screwed up Californication and I'm With You by the Red Hot Chili Peppers too. Edited January 25, 2014 by LuanVictorxD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Trevor Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Rick Rubin albums are all a bit compressed (Death Magnetic was brutal though), which Axl is known to dislike, but as long as Axl oversees the mixing, he could tell the engineers to suck a fat one and not ruin it. Rick would probably be the best thing to happen to Guns at this point in time, especially after producing the new sabbath album. A more stripped down approach and more distinct instrument sounds would be awesome as long as it doesn't get overcompressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wfuckinga Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I like Californication, what makes you think it's fucked up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuanVictor Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I like Californication, what makes you think it's fucked up?It's too much compressed, have you listened to the alternative master? Way better, IMO.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG-L5bmrElE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Trevor Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 He should just get the guy who produced and mixed Steel Panthers albums, they sound awesome, great vocals and guitars and he'd be cheap because he's never done a famous serious rock band before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRanOutOfIdeas Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) He should just get the guy who produced and mixed Steel Panthers albums, they sound awesome, great vocals and guitars and he'd be cheap because he's never done a famous serious rock band before.Love me some Hole Patrol.--------------------------------------------But geez you all are a tough crowd with Rick. Edited January 25, 2014 by IRanOutOfIdeas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Trevor Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 He should just get the guy who produced and mixed Steel Panthers albums, they sound awesome, great vocals and guitars and he'd be cheap because he's never done a famous serious rock band before.Love me some Hole Patrol.--------------------------------------------But geez you all are a tough crowd with Rick.I don't think its Rick, It's the engineers he uses and the guys who master it. I doubt a guy that high profile masters or mixes much. He could potentially sculpt something 10x better than CD though IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I can imagine that, Rick is known for being very distant from the band and would come only to ask for the recordings:"Hey, guys, you have something for me?""Nope. Axl didn't came.""Ah, well. Back to my man-cave then."This scenario would repeat itself forever and no album would ever be made. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 I never even thought of the idea of Rick Rubin producing a GNR album. I feel like that's actually possible. Fuck. The commercial for that one would break a record for number of uses of the word "roots". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 You know there'd be a video cuz Rubin wants his mug in that shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 You know there'd be a video cuz Rubin wants his mug in that shit. Was he like that before Berzerk? I remember thinking it was really weird that he was suddenly showing his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magisme Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 You know there'd be a video cuz Rubin wants his mug in that shit.Was he like that before Berzerk? I remember thinking it was really weird that he was suddenly showing his face.He was in those awful commercials for Jay-Z's album. I don't know anything else off hand. But his stupid bouncing head to Jay-Z's terrible song in that commercial plus his Berzerk appearance plus deciding it was necessary to join Em in live performances of the song, just irked me so much that I imagine he's been ubiquitous. I find him visually annoying, if that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Don't forget: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bacardimayne Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Well, at least if this happens, Axl will no longer be the fat lazy guy in the band. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young_Gun Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) I can imagine that, Rick is known for being very distant from the band and would come only to ask for the recordings:"Hey, guys, you have something for me?""Nope. Axl didn't came.""Ah, well. Back to my man-cave then."This scenario would repeat itself forever and no album would ever be made.This. A few artists have spoken out about Rick's penchant for not being around:"...we were being charged horrendous amounts of money. And for me, if you're going to produce something, you're fucking there. I don't care who you are."He also added: "The Rick Rubin of today is a thin, thin, thin shadow of the Rick Rubin that he was. He is overrated, he is overpaid, and I will never work with him again as long as I fucking live."Quote from Corey Taylor of SlipnotAxl working with Rick would result in nothing. Not to mention the pathetic mixing and mastering that comes from Rick's production. Edited January 25, 2014 by Young_Gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Dog Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 10 years ago or so I would have said yes without a doubt. But Rick has been kind of hit and miss in recent years. Some stuff sounds great, like MMLP2 and Audioslave, but like the Metallica album and Kid Rock's last album just were not top notch stuff you would expect. So if could work I guess and it could be off. I'm not sure how well he and Axl would work together either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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