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34 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

No.  Ellerbe made a statement yesterday saying Floyd doesn't have the desire anymore.  He's what, 41, 42?  I hope he doesn't either, nice to see a man retire health and wealth in tact. 

Got a feeling he is going to become one of them money hungry idiots.

 

A lot of people have said he spunks his money so I reckon he will get tempted again and again until he ultimately loses his unbeaten streak 

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29 minutes ago, lukepowell1988 said:

Got a feeling he is going to become one of them money hungry idiots.

What'cha mean 'become'? :lol:  Nah, look, end of the day my feeling is respect to him.  There's a lot about his personality that is off putting but his personality ain't really none of my business, he ain't no relation to me, he ain't in my life, his personality is his own look out, what I am is a fan of boxing and I watched just about all his fights live since the late 90s, it would be a little lame of me after all that entertainment I got out of the bloke to turn around and cunt him off, my relationship to him is a fighter/sports fan one and as a sports fan he's given me the only thing a fighter is obliged to give...and thats good fights or rather good performances, can't ask nothing more from him than that and I wish him well, I ain't one of those that goes 'oh i can't wait til this cunt spunks all his money, that'll bring him down a peg or two', thats just bitch behaviour, more power to him, I wouldn't wish that on a stranger let alone someone I've got all that entertainment from.  As far as personality, what boxer is a nice person, what, Nigel Benn?  A fuckin' yobbo from Ilford that used to hang out with those Essex Boys twats?  Or how about Chris Eubank, the tea leaf from Peckham?  Or Mike Tyson, a man with more fuckin' crimes to his name than Al Capone and a fuckin' tendency for irrational violent behaviour?  Boxing is the arena of street lads and by and large these are not the sort of people that are to be found working for the Samaritans or sipping cocktails at the Regatta, they are fuckin' nutters with often deeply unpleasant natures. 

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Boxing has always had this honest ''American'' relationship with money. Ali was as canny a negotiator as any (the fact that he squandered much of it on hangers-on being besides the point). I read an interview with Bellew awhile ago and all he talked about was the money he'd made from the sport, not his sporting accomplishments.

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2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Boxing has always had this honest ''American'' relationship with money. Ali was as canny a negotiator as any (the fact that he squandered much of it on hangers-on being besides the point). I read an interview with Bellew awhile ago and all he talked about was the money he'd made from the sport, not his sporting accomplishments.

It's the hip hop generation filtering into boxing, they are arch-capitalists, every step is a business decision.  I say it smells, the whole thing.  Reeks even.  

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8 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

It's the hip hop generation filtering into boxing, they are arch-capitalists, every step is a business decision.  I say it smells, the whole thing.  Reeks even.  

But the older boxers talked as such also. I'll give you an example of what I mean,

If a cricketer joins some tin-pot Twenty20 franchise he'll say things like, ''yes, it is good to test your skills among the best, to sit in the same changing room as people like Kohli and Warner, to play in front of the big crowds etc etc''.

It doesn't matter that this is twaddle, that there real reason is they are being offered x amount of money from a dodgy sheikh, sufficing to say they feel the need to say it.

In boxing it is, ''yes, the money was excellent''. 

They actually derail big fights, in which fighters can clean up divisions, achieve brilliant things which will go down in history and cement their place in history, simply because they are haggling about cash!

Boxing has always had this very open un-British relationship with money. What I mean by that is if somebody makes lots of money in Britain the British go, ''what a tosser''. If an American makes money the Americans go, ''great bruv, I'm glad for you''.

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7 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

But the older boxers talked as such also. I'll give you an example of what I mean,

If a cricketer joins some tin-pot Twenty20 franchise he'll say things like, ''yes, it is good to test your skills among the best, to sit in the same changing room as people like Kohli and Warner, to play in front of the big crowds etc etc''.

It doesn't matter that this is twaddle, that there real reason is they are being offered x amount of money from a dodgy sheikh, sufficing to say they feel the need to say it.

In boxing it is, ''yes, the money was excellent''. 

They actually derail big fights, in which fighters can clean up divisions, achieve brilliant things which will go down in history and cement their place in history, simply because they are haggling about cash!

Boxing has always had this very open un-British relationship with money. What I mean by that is if somebody makes lots of money in Britain the British go, ''what a tosser''. If an American makes money the Americans go, ''great bruv, I'm glad for you''.

It's a bit different because they're not on contracts earning a wage like footballers and cricketers. They can negotiate their wages once every few years then get on with it and pretend like money isn't important. Boxers theyre like self employed sub contractors so in that respect it makes perfect sense to make each "job" about the money and they have to negotiate a price with the boss who could be the promoter or t.v. network for each one a couple of times a year. 

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1 hour ago, spunko12345 said:

It's a bit different because they're not on contracts earning a wage like footballers and cricketers. They can negotiate their wages once every few years then get on with it and pretend like money isn't important. Boxers theyre like self employed sub contractors so in that respect it makes perfect sense to make each "job" about the money and they have to negotiate a price with the boss who could be the promoter or t.v. network for each one a couple of times a year. 

So are Twenty20 mercenaries. 

These competitions sometimes last as little as a couple of weeks and you can basically make that your career, globetrotting among twenty20 teams - not to mention that T10 farce, and presumably the upcoming ''The Hundred''. Some of that has filtered through to the county game also whereby overseas players - you're only allowed one - are on incredibly short-term contracts: counties can sometimes have upwards to about four successive overseas players!

But there is a lot of truth in what you say. Boxing is organised more like pop-rock gigs, or more like a big pop-rock specifically, whereby a promoter is involved.

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Also boxers don't really earn a lot of money unless they are in the upper percentile.  For example someone like Dave Allen, I'd say he'd be getting like 20,000 a fight, all told.  Now lets say he fights twice or three times a year, 40 to 60,000 a year, its hardly Arab money is it?  Just about enough to furnish oneself with a comfortable middle class lifestyle I suppose, I bet there's people on this forum on more than that. 

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20 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Also boxers don't really earn a lot of money unless they are in the upper percentile.  For example someone like Dave Allen, I'd say he'd be getting like 20,000 a fight, all told.  Now lets say he fights twice or three times a year, 40 to 60,000 a year, its hardly Arab money is it?  Just about enough to furnish oneself with a comfortable middle class lifestyle I suppose, I bet there's people on this forum on more than that. 

Talking of Arab money apparently some rich dude from Dubai offered silly money for Fury to fight Klitch in a re match on yes Yacht in Dubai for him and his pals 

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Keith 'One Time' Thurman vs Josecito Lopez on ITV4 free tommorow night.  Quality fighter, done Danny Garcia, Shawn Porter, it'd be nice now to see these boys step up, Thurman, Spence and Terence Crawford all need to fight each other...could throw Pacman in the mix too since he's got the WBA regular. 

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34 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Keith 'One Time' Thurman vs Josecito Lopez on ITV4 free tommorow night.  Quality fighter, done Danny Garcia, Shawn Porter, it'd be nice now to see these boys step up, Thurman, Spence and Terence Crawford all need to fight each other...could throw Pacman in the mix too since he's got the WBA regular. 

ITV4 have had a few decent fights recently

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This is Al Haymons response to Eddie Hearns transatlantic excursions with DAZN.  Keep em comin' Al.  You wanna make a power-play for streaming in my country?  Fuck you, I'll put on fights for free in yours...with better fighters.

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2 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

Also boxers don't really earn a lot of money unless they are in the upper percentile.  For example someone like Dave Allen, I'd say he'd be getting like 20,000 a fight, all told.  Now lets say he fights twice or three times a year, 40 to 60,000 a year, its hardly Arab money is it?  Just about enough to furnish oneself with a comfortable middle class lifestyle I suppose, I bet there's people on this forum on more than that. 

Not bad money for a dead Irish comedian.

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I suppose my point is not that boxers are greedier than say footballers and cricketers - although that may be the case - but that they are more honest and upfront about their avarice. Let's say a footballer moves clubs for squillions he'll still go through the whole, ''it is a move to further my career and experience football elsewhere'' routine. 

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17 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

I suppose my point is not that boxers are greedier than say footballers and cricketers - although that may be the case - but that they are more honest and upfront about their avarice. Let's say a footballer moves clubs for squillions he'll still go through the whole, ''it is a move to further my career and experience football elsewhere'' routine. 

They earn a lot less and they have a very precarious sort of a peak so its in their interest to get as much out of it as they can.  Take your footballers right, lets say someone makes 150-200 grand a week, or even 250 to make the sums easier for me, thats a million a month, 12 million a year...quite a few football players are on that and if the good ones have a peak of about 6 or 7 years where they make that, thats a lot of coin.  Now name me the boxer who makes that sort of money...you'll struggle too...and they certain don't make it consistently.  Take someone like Amir Khan, who is quite a big name whatever anyone might think of him, 9 mil he made for fighting Canelo, probably the best he has ever earned in a fight and best he ever will...and there are probably, I dunno, less than 7 or 8 fighters in the world who can command that or upwards of that right now.  The vast majority of them are on very little comparitively.  I'm trying to think of the fighters who can make millions today, Canelo, GGG, Amir Khan...Lomachenko...Manny Pacquiao...really very few relatively, it also depends on what fights get made too though, see this is the thing about boxing, a few loses and your wages plummet potentially, so its not like a football player where you kinda know that for a certain period you're guaranteed heavy money. 

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19 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

They earn a lot less and they have a very precarious sort of a peak so its in their interest to get as much out of it as they can.  Take your footballers right, lets say someone makes 150-200 grand a week, or even 250 to make the sums easier for me, thats a million a month, 12 million a year...quite a few football players are on that and if the good ones have a peak of about 6 or 7 years where they make that, thats a lot of coin.  Now name me the boxer who makes that sort of money...you'll struggle too...and they certain don't make it consistently.  Take someone like Amir Khan, who is quite a big name whatever anyone might think of him, 9 mil he made for fighting Canelo, probably the best he has ever earned in a fight and best he ever will...and there are probably, I dunno, less than 7 or 8 fighters in the world who can command that or upwards of that right now.  The vast majority of them are on very little comparitively.  I'm trying to think of the fighters who can make millions today, Canelo, GGG, Amir Khan...Lomachenko...Manny Pacquiao...really very few relatively, it also depends on what fights get made too though, see this is the thing about boxing, a few loses and your wages plummet potentially, so its not like a football player where you kinda know that for a certain period you're guaranteed heavy money. 

You're missing my point though. It is not about the amount of money they make or whether they're more avarice (than other sportsmen) but that they've a sort of ''American attitude'' to money. 

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9 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

You're missing my point though. It is not about the amount of money they make or whether they're more avarice (than other sportsmen) but that they've a sort of ''American attitude'' to money. 

Yeah no I got that, I was just expanding on the point generally, you're right in that respect.  I hate the American attitude to money and its filtering in to the younger generations here.  A good example is this, watch a yank when they first get big money, they go out and buy custard coloured labourghinis and weird shit like that, over here someone'll get like a fuckin' nice sleek looking Aston or a Bentley.  Tasteful, classy, historical.  Watch a yank get a watch when they're newly minted, it'll be like a fuckin' diamond encrusted monstrosity. 

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2 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

They earn a lot less and they have a very precarious sort of a peak so its in their interest to get as much out of it as they can.  Take your footballers right, lets say someone makes 150-200 grand a week, or even 250 to make the sums easier for me, thats a million a month, 12 million a year...quite a few football players are on that and if the good ones have a peak of about 6 or 7 years where they make that, thats a lot of coin.  Now name me the boxer who makes that sort of money...you'll struggle too...and they certain don't make it consistently.  Take someone like Amir Khan, who is quite a big name whatever anyone might think of him, 9 mil he made for fighting Canelo, probably the best he has ever earned in a fight and best he ever will...and there are probably, I dunno, less than 7 or 8 fighters in the world who can command that or upwards of that right now.  The vast majority of them are on very little comparitively.  I'm trying to think of the fighters who can make millions today, Canelo, GGG, Amir Khan...Lomachenko...Manny Pacquiao...really very few relatively, it also depends on what fights get made too though, see this is the thing about boxing, a few loses and your wages plummet potentially, so its not like a football player where you kinda know that for a certain period you're guaranteed heavy money. 

Plus a footballer can be at the start of his 250k per week contract and play shit for ten matches in a row and still collect the money for another 4 years. A boxer might negotiate his money for the next fight then have a bad day and get flattened and his earning potential is massively reduced next time.

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Another great fight NOT too miss Errol Spence V Mikey G both 0 - 0 its in AT&T Stadium its a 100,00 people capacity its in Texas

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13 minutes ago, Gavin82 said:

Another great fight NOT too miss Errol Spence V Andy G both 0 - 0 its in AT&T Stadium its a 100,00 people capacity its in Texas

Mikey?

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1 hour ago, Len Cnut said:

Mikey?

Thank you for duley correcting me Sir.........

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Thurman fights beautifully, gets caught too but handles it.

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