Free Bird 1,655 Posted June 16 1 hour ago, Len Cnut said: Wilder has been a pro for 11 years and the only people you can name that he's fought is Ortiz and Wilder. Fury was a pro for the same amount of time, hasn't even touched 30 fights in that time and the only people you can name on his resume are Klitschko and Wilder. AJ has been a pro since 2013 and he's fought Joseph Parker, Povetkin, Takam, Klitschko (and knocked him out), Dillian Whyte who has since become arguably the 4th best HW in the world, Dominic Braezeale (who was undefeated until he met AJ), AJ has been matched harder than Wilder and Fury by far...and in a lot shorter time. As for ducking, I don't think either is ducking either, AJ was just a good looking marketable superstar pulling in sponsorship and money the likes of which Fury and Wilder could never have made no matter what they did so they thought 'shit, i want a piece of that' and played hardball in negotiations, looking for tens of millions to fight AJ to which AJs team basically thought, OK, we went out of our way to unify the belt in less time than these guys, who just stayed knocking over bums and then when our work is done they want in on the action to the tune of tens of millions when they ain't even touched 2 mil in their career best purses, nuh uh, we're not having that. Then a little fat kid came along But seriously, go through Wilders record, show me the live bodies on it pre-Ortiz...you can't cuz they ain't there. Well, he fought Stiverne when he wasn't out of shape like in their second fight. He fought Chris Arreola, Molina and Dauhapas. Not top contender but it isn't like he fought just nobody's. Most importantly, since Ortiz he's going all in. I like that. All in all you're right. AJ has the bigger names in his record but Whyte for example wasn't on the level on which he is now and Klitschko was way past his prime and already beaten by Fury. And while he was like a mashine before, he became a boring fighter since he fought Klitschko IMO. We have to see how he's coming back after the loss to Ruiz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Len Cnut 13,620 Posted June 16 20 minutes ago, Free Bird said: Well, he fought Stiverne when he wasn't out of shape like in their second fight. He fought Chris Arreola, Molina and Dauhapas. Not top contender but it isn't like he fought just nobody's. Most importantly, since Ortiz he's going all in. I like that. All in all you're right. AJ has the bigger names in his record but Whyte for example wasn't on the level on which he is now and Klitschko was way past his prime and already beaten by Fury. And while he was like a mashine before, he became a boring fighter since he fought Klitschko IMO. We have to see how he's coming back after the loss to Ruiz. I think AJs is an extremely flawed fighter dont get me wrong, I just resent the idea that he’s a protected fighter (not that you said that, just that its been said and is said) compared to Wilder and Fury when one struggles to name anyone of note on their records and has to name Johan Duhapas and Eric Molina, for a record as deep as Wilders they are really fringe. REALLY fringe. AJ fought Molina too if I’m not mistaken, pretty early. Might be wrong but I think he did. As if I’ve said many times before the thing interesting about this crop of heavyweights, Fury, Wilder and AJ is that either of em could lose to the other on any given night, kinda like Hagler, Hearns, Leonard and Duran, the only difference is this was the case with the latter because they were so prodigiously talented, the former because they have so many shit points to their game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DieselDaisy 15,805 Posted June 16 I saw Joshua fight in the Toon against some Yank when he was just making his way through the ranks having just turned pro. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Free Bird 1,655 Posted June 17 (edited) 7 hours ago, Len Cnut said: I think AJs is an extremely flawed fighter dont get me wrong, I just resent the idea that he’s a protected fighter (not that you said that, just that its been said and is said) compared to Wilder and Fury when one struggles to name anyone of note on their records and has to name Johan Duhapas and Eric Molina, for a record as deep as Wilders they are really fringe. REALLY fringe. AJ fought Molina too if I’m not mistaken, pretty early. Might be wrong but I think he did. As if I’ve said many times before the thing interesting about this crop of heavyweights, Fury, Wilder and AJ is that either of em could lose to the other on any given night, kinda like Hagler, Hearns, Leonard and Duran, the only difference is this was the case with the latter because they were so prodigiously talented, the former because they have so many shit points to their game No it's quite the opposite. AJ started his career really well and Wilder was the protected fighter, that's for sure. He became a boxer when he was 20 or something, so he had to start low. But that somehow changed during the last 18-24 months. Of course AJ fought some "names" since but Takam and Parker weren't really impressive wins and he kind of struggled with Povetkin in the first rounds. And again you right. All three of them can lose in any given time. Fury was down against Cunningham, and almost lost to Wilder in the 12th. Wilder needs the KO to win and he struggled against Ortiz in the 7th round. Almost lost to Fury if he weren't down twice. AJ got rocked by Whyte and Povetkin. Ruiz finished him. Parker won against Ruiz. Edited June 17 by Free Bird Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Len Cnut 13,620 Posted June 17 Quote No it's quite the opposite. AJ started his career really well and Wilder was the protected fighter, that's for sure. He became a boxer when he was 20 or something, so he had to start low. Joshua started boxing really late too and has a lot less of an amateur pedigree as is made out by his gold medal (which I don't think he deserves, if you go watch that Olympic final there's no way he won that). Thats part of why these guys are so shit, I've always maintained you can never be a boxing great if you get into the sport at that age...by that age you should be blossoming, the reflexes, the slips, the boxing brain, the instincts should be in full effect, you can't fuckin' learning how to throw a jab at that age, fuck me, some of em still ain't worked that bit out With the heavyweight division especially, they think its a case of like, all it takes is to be a big fucker, you don't see this shit in the lower weights, pros who fuckin' only took the game up in their late teens. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavin82 212 Posted June 17 https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/17/kubrat-pulev-and-jarrell-miller-opponent-options-for-tyson-fury-9973596/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Len Cnut 13,620 Posted June 18 17 hours ago, Gavin82 said: https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/17/kubrat-pulev-and-jarrell-miller-opponent-options-for-tyson-fury-9973596/ Ain't Pulev and Miller banned? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lukepowell1988 1,441 Posted June 18 (edited) 2 hours ago, Len Cnut said: Ain't Pulev and Miller banned? The fight won't be until October time at least that's what Fury has said his ban will be completed by then. Miller that is not sure on Pulev. Edited June 18 by lukepowell1988 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavin82 212 Posted June 19 (edited) https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/11744915/anthony-joshuas-rematch-with-andy-ruiz-jr-will-be-staged-in-britain-or-new-york-says-eddie-hearn We will know nx week when & where by looks Edited June 19 by Gavin82 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lukepowell1988 1,441 Posted June 19 1 minute ago, Gavin82 said: https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/11744915/anthony-joshuas-rematch-with-andy-ruiz-jr-will-be-staged-in-britain-or-new-york-says-eddie-hearn We will know nx week when & where by looks Will be in the UK they won't risk dropping a bollock in America again until he has the title back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lukepowell1988 1,441 Posted June 19 Going to put £50 on Pacman returns just over £100 bit of a ballsy one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavin82 212 Posted June 19 1 hour ago, lukepowell1988 said: Going to put £50 on Pacman returns just over £100 bit of a ballsy one I think he will win TBH no 1 expected him too win his last fight Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Len Cnut 13,620 Posted June 21 On 19/06/2019 at 5:13 PM, Gavin82 said: I think he will win TBH no 1 expected him too win his last fight Yes they did, Broners a wanker that no one rates It was Broner he fought last wasn't it? I think the Thurman fights interesting, he's a quality operator is Thurman, taken some pretty sizeable scalps in Porter and Danny Garcia but since his lay off he looked shaky as fuck against Joseito Lopez, if it was just ring-rust and he's at top form for Pacquiao I think he edges it, you have to give him the advantage because what troubles Pacman is movement and Thurman has a lot of good movement. But if his previous fight with Lopez wasn't just ring rust and the rumours that he is shot from that injury are true then I give Pacman a sizeable advantage. So yeah, interesting fight. But movement is the key, watch Thurman v Garcia and Thurman v Porter, he does the job with movement, footwork, keeping away and popping off shots. If he can keep Pacman on the end of those shots Pac is in for a rough night. And the key for Pacman is workrate, though Porter has an admirable workrate, he come from NFL so he's good with that head down bull charge shit...but smart movement. And bodywork, Thurman is weak to the body. Get him on the ropes and dig in with those body shots. See that at 44 seconds? Weak to the body. And thats against Luis Collazo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gavin82 212 Posted June 21 https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/21/andy-ruiz-wont-stripped-world-titles-anthony-joshua-rematch-says-eddie-hearn-10024347/ Ruiz could fight before AJ re match & not lose a belt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lukepowell1988 1,441 Posted June 21 How funny would it be if AJ gets beat in the rematch poor old Hearn has lost his golden goose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moreblack 1,805 Posted June 21 I'm not gonna say it couldn't happen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spunko12345 1,709 Posted June 21 A good south London derby on at the moment on the next Gen at York hall. 2 light heavyweights, ones pretty classy trying to dominate at a distance and the other wants a good fucking tear up by the looks of it but he's gonna wear himself out soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Len Cnut 13,620 Posted June 21 (edited) Sterling is getting done, the lanky one is very predictable though, that big overhand right, needs to time him.c uppercut would be perfect. Edited June 21 by Len Cnut Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spunko12345 1,709 Posted June 21 I reckon Sterling is winning on points Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Len Cnut 13,620 Posted June 21 I posted that when it looked like he was gonna get knocked out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spunko12345 1,709 Posted June 21 4 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: I posted that when it looked like he was gonna get knocked out The scorecards were a bit harsh don't you reckon? Richards clearly won in the end with the last two rounds and shaking him twice but I thought the scores were a bit wide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Len Cnut 13,620 Posted June 21 Cheesemans feeling a little heat here. 29 minutes ago, spunko12345 said: The scorecards were a bit harsh don't you reckon? Richards clearly won in the end with the last two rounds and shaking him twice but I thought the scores were a bit wide. Takes the piss cuz it just shows that even if he had put that little extra work in he was still fucked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spunko12345 1,709 Posted June 21 17 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: Cheesemans feeling a little heat here. Takes the piss cuz it just shows that even if he had put that little extra work in he was still fucked. He's done well Conway. If they fought in 2 years he'd fuck cheesman up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Len Cnut 13,620 Posted June 21 4 minutes ago, spunko12345 said: He's done well Conway. If they fought in 2 years he'd fuck cheesman up. ‘The big cheese...the strong cheese’, Adam Smith is so Alan Partridge 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Len Cnut 13,620 Posted June 21 His co-commentator just went ‘yeah, very absorbant fight’ eh...?!?! 😂 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
