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Again Trump interrupted my GH. Thank goodness for On Demand.

Trump says he met with Pelosi and had a good talk including about the wall. She says there's no way they will agree to a wall.

Guess nothing's changed!

Is Pelosi and all the Congress people not getting paid like the regular people? Or are they still getting their pay checks or are they so damn rich that they don't worry about money?

Son of a bitch!

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2 hours ago, Padme said:

I'm 100% in favor of a New Deal. I'm also 100% against pop divas in Congress and 70% tax :crazy:

Wow shes gotta be a pop diva because she had fun once?

I like her - shes going to be a major thorn in the side of corporate Dems/Reps who are holding us back and need to have their little conglomerate broken up.

 

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3 hours ago, Padme said:

I'm 100% in favor of a New Deal. I'm also 100% against pop divas in Congress and 70% tax :crazy:

Seriously!? the video is from her college days. And frankly a 70% tax on billionaires and multi millionaires is fairer than giving them tax cuts wildly disproportionate with the vast majority of the populace. What she’s proposing is exactly what the rust belt and struggling lower/middle class should be voting for. 

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51 minutes ago, -W.A.R- said:

Wow shes gotta be a pop diva because she had fun once?

I like her - shes going to be a major thorn in the side of corporate Dems/Reps who are holding us back and need to have their little conglomerate broken up.

 

Unfortunately these are not normal times for obvious reasons, in fact dark and sad times. I want her and all her colleagues only focused in the many serious issues ahead. There is too much at stake and 2020 is around the corner.

20 minutes ago, Angelica said:

Seriously!? the video is from her college days. And frankly a 70% tax on billionaires and multi millionaires is fairer than giving them tax cuts wildly disproportionate with the vast majority of the populace. What she’s proposing is exactly what the rust belt and struggling lower/middle class should be voting for. 

She is no longer in college. She is now a member of the House. I don't want childish behavior. If you tax those billionaires they are going to move their companies to some tax haven country. 70% tax won't create jobs. It's going to make things worst. I believe she knows this. And neither she nor anyone from the left should be making populist promises or statements.

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And neither she nor anyone from the left should be making populist promises or statements.

Hey, it worked for Big Don.  Its sort of the order of the day, just chat a load of shit you blatantly ain't gonna/can't do.

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30 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Hey, it worked for Big Don.  Its sort of the order of the day, just chat a load of shit you blatantly ain't gonna/can't do.

True, populists are trendy these days.  And it worked for Trump. That's why Democrats should do exactly the opposite. Otherwise it's just the same shit with different smell

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9 minutes ago, Padme said:

True, populists are trendy these days.  And it worked for Trump. That's why Democrats should do exactly the opposite. Otherwise it's just the same shit with different smell

The Democrats are as responsible for Trump being where he is as anyone. 

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1 minute ago, Len Cnut said:

The Democrats are as responsible for Trump being where he is as anyone. 

Yes, to some extend. Obama should've done more to help rural areas. And in 2016 other Democrats also should've run for President, not just Hillary and Bernie Sanders. But there was a lot more. Trump got help from religious group who brainwash people. Republicans allowed radicals to take over their party during the Obama era. And Trump has Fox News working for him as a propaganda machine.

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Little help,

im looking for that camp chaos cartoon from vh1 illustrated with axl as the senator from the great state of indiana.  I can't find it.

nevermind, found it.  "It's a muffin!!"

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5 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

The Democrats are as responsible for Trump being where he is as anyone. 

True.

Essentially America's rulling classes for not caring about Americans families.

Carlson's recent monologue was right on point about it.

 

5 hours ago, Padme said:

Trump got help from religious group who brainwash people. Republicans allowed radicals to take over their party during the Obama era.

The same apply for the Democrats and the Obama administration.

5 hours ago, Padme said:

And Trump has Fox News working for him as a propaganda machine.

Sure.

Hillary Clinton spent almost two billion and had 95% of the supposedly objective mainstream media backing her that donated millions into her foundation plus campaign contributions, berated Trump days and nights, claimed HC was mathematically certain to win, and then she lost!

Damn you Fox News!

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Just wish someone would do something good for the American people. It seems like forever since anything good has happened.

the news showed the year in review and it was all bad. I know some good things had to have happened, but the news never shows that stuff.

2019 is going to suck too. It seems like none of us will get ahead any time soon.

I just feel so down every damn day.

And this damn city wants me to do jury duty. Really? The system doesn't work and I don't want to be a part of it.

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12 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

The same apply for the Democrats and the Obama administration.

I'm still wating to see evangelicals talking about other issues other than abortion and gays. Hillary only got support from some African American religious groups. Those groups didn't move a finger to movilize people. Nor they are talking against abortion and gays 24/7 on national radio, t.v. and to their chuch goers. They mostly talked about issues like Black Life Matter. And Hillary didn't give a fuck about it. Neither Obama did much about it.

Right now neither Hillary nor Democrats have pundits talking about them. The focuse of CNN and MSNBC is Trump. Because he is the President. During the campaign CNN and MSNBC issue warnings about Trump while showing support for Hillary. Trump is the worst or one of the worst Presidents America ever had. But you are one of those blind or brainwashed people. Open your eyes and look at everything that is and has been going on with Trump. The guy is not fit for office on top of that he is a corrupt horrible human being.

Fox News Prime Time shows are nothing more than Nazi style propaganda. That's wrong anywhere in the world and worst of all in a country like America

Both parties got huge donations from everywhere. They always spent tons of money. And that has been the case for decades. Sure that should change but it won't.

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3 hours ago, Padme said:

I'm still wating to see evangelicals talking about other issues other than abortion and gays. Hillary only got support from some African American religious groups. Those groups didn't move a finger to movilize people. Nor they are talking against abortion and gays 24/7 on national radio, t.v. and to their chuch goers. They mostly talked about issues like Black Life Matter. And Hillary didn't give a fuck about it. Neither Obama did much about it.

Right now neither Hillary nor Democrats have pundits talking about them. The focuse of CNN and MSNBC is Trump. Because he is the President. During the campaign CNN and MSNBC issue warnings about Trump while showing support for Hillary. Trump is the worst or one of the worst Presidents America ever had. But you are one of those blind or brainwashed people. Open your eyes and look at everything that is and has been going on with Trump. The guy is not fit for office on top of that he is a corrupt horrible human being.

Fox News Prime Time shows are nothing more than Nazi style propaganda. That's wrong anywhere in the world and worst of all in a country like America

Both parties got huge donations from everywhere. They always spent tons of money. And that has been the case for decades. Sure that should change but it won't.

You keep saying republicans and Trump voters are blind and brainwashed. Are they ? POTUS is doing the things he said he was going to do, or at least he's trying. That's why his approval among republicans is nearly 90%. 

I get that his style is somewhat unorthodox and it can be offensive but at the same time the opposition are cheering for AOC, Waters or Elisabeth Warren, who are equally, if not, more unhinged than POTUS.

You have a chance to vote him out next year even though you have to realize that he could be re-elected.

Well Fox news is a conservative outlet, and one of the only. If Fox News is Nazi propaganda then CNN is Marxist socialism propaganda.

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10 hours ago, Silent Jay said:

You keep saying republicans and Trump voters are blind and brainwashed.

I don't think they're blind or brainwashed. I think that they voted for a racist, ignorant arsehole and he's doing them proud. Trump voters love this.

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9 hours ago, Silent Jay said:

Jobs up +312,000 in december. Record number working manufacturing best in twenty years. Hispanic unemployment lowest ever.

https://apnews.com/f3925762c6f845dfab936b45c28b4176

It's good news, but we're not out of the woods yet. The economy is displaying a lot of mixed signals. Bear markets like to appear when we feel safest after years of steady growth and may seem random, but there are semi-reliable ways to predict them. A lot of those signs appeared throughout 2018.

And statistics alone are not an argument. Not sure if you were just noting the data or attempting to attribute the growth to Trump/Republican policy, but the economy has been growing steadily since 2009. If this were switched around and we had a Democratic president, I'd be saying the same thing - attributing a particularly good employment/wage month to a president is an incomplete argument. Don't forget, the stock market just saw its worst December since 1931 - but I don't believe that's Trump's fault.

8 hours ago, Silent Jay said:

New Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib Goes off on Trump: ‘We’re Going to Impeach the Motherf*cker!’

https://www.mediaite.com/online/new-congresswoman-rashida-tlaib-goes-off-on-trump-were-going-to-impeach-the-motherfcker/

Not sure if she realizes the campaign is over (well, OK for the House I guess it's never over), but this type of charged language usually seen on the trail doesn't work well once in office with a national audience. I don't care who the president is or how terrible of a human being they are, calling them a "motherfucker" after spending a day and a half in Congress is a misstep. Probably not a major misstep, but it does her no credit to be using expletives randomly.

I hope the freshman officials elected in 2018 start to act with a bit more composure and consideration. The right sees many of these new officials as unqualified, immature, or undemocratic - casually dropping a "motherfucker" and generally making communications/messaging blunders emboldens conservative distrust for these new officials. This is sadly not the first story I've read on a newer official's conduct.

3 hours ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

Trump says he met with Pelosi and had a good talk including about the wall. She says there's no way they will agree to a wall.

Is Pelosi and all the Congress people not getting paid like the regular people? Or are they still getting their pay checks or are they so damn rich that they don't worry about money?

How many times does someone have to say "rigorous research and data indicates the wall as a strategy is ineffective and addresses a problem that doesn't currently exist" in order for the president to abandon his crooked wall crusade?

Yes, Members of Congress get paid during a shutdown, but congressional staff does not. There are a number of members either declining their pay or donating it to charity during the shutdown. And I think several MoCs have put forward bills to freeze Congressional pay during a shutdown, but I don't know if there's been real progress made on them.

1 hour ago, -W.A.R- said:

High tax rates on the super wealthy have been enacted several times in this country's recent history, notably: WWI, the depression, WWII, and much of the Cold War. Rates for very high incomes ranged from 60-90% for much of the 20th century, with the only major exception being the Roaring 20's when the highest rates were in the 20-30% area for a few years. Talking about rates only is a bit imprecise, but getting into the minutia of tax behavior is not something I'm interested in or that qualified to speak about, and I believe my point still stands regardless of technical arguments about actual amount paid and fraudulent income reporting/tax avoidance and things like that.

Levying personal annual incomes of ~$10 million+ to a tax rate of even 50-55% for a decade or half a decade and raising long term capital gains rates to be in line with short term/income rates, would be a decent revenue generator (hundreds of billions depending on the figures you play with). I disagree a major environmental program should be the first and only thing done with that revenue though.

There are arguments in favor of allowing the super wealthy to get away with moderate or low tax rates, but of the ones I think are genuine, I still don't see how they're better for the country than generating $X00,000,000,000 in tax revenue in a short period of time. There's also the symbolic issue: it just doesn't look right in a country that boasts a fair playing field, especially for those seeking to climb from poverty/hardship, that Trump (or any rich person of any political leaning) pays less in tax than the vast majority of their employees do, either by utilizing loopholes or taking advantage of business-oriented policy.

51 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

True.

Essentially America's rulling classes for not caring about Americans families.

Carlson's recent monologue was right on point about it.

The same apply for the Democrats and the Obama administration.

Sure.

Hillary Clinton spent almost two billion and had 95% of the supposedly objective mainstream media backing her that donated millions into her foundation plus campaign contributions, berated Trump days and nights, claimed HC was mathematically certain to win, and then she lost!

Damn you Fox News!

You want to talk about the "ruling class" not caring about American families? :lol: You seem to argue in support of the president and his policies - are you unaware Trump is the embodiment of "ruling class not caring about American families"? A simple look at his career and life reveals pretty much all you need to know about the guy.

Tracking every single dollar and its source and every domestically-focused piece of legislation to determine which party funds and supports more legislation/policy that is not in line with supporting "the American family" is intensive task. But if you look at the party platforms and actions, which one seems to care more about the average American family's well-being?

I watched a few parts of Tucker's monologue, but not much of it was substantively convincing. He used a lot of opinion-based and emotionally-charged statements that unsurprisingly rile and support conservative fervor. I didn't see him presenting data or research based arguments.

About 3,000,000 more people voted for Hillary over Trump, let's not conveniently forget that. And if you look at many of the determining states/districts where Trump got the electoral points, you'll see it was perilously close in many cases. It's not so unfathomable to suggest Fox News is partially responsible for Trump being where he is - I'd say the same for any Republican candidate. Fox is pretty consistently the most-watched news network. Yes, there are liberal and moderate networks too that probably influenced votes for Hillary. But more people watch Fox. And the conservative propaganda machine is stronger than ever, Fox is only part of it. 

The story of Donald the Underdog rising above seasoned politicians in his own party to storm his way through an election against a candidate who was considered to be a sure thing (at first) is a really pleasing tale to the ears of those feeling disillusioned or forgotten by American politics. I could probably spend an entire separate post on this feeling of disillusionment and frustration with "the establishment," but this post is already too long. So I'll end with a question.

Trump has been in office for two years, how's he doing? I'm asking you directly to reply and note the progress Trump has made that (presumably) you and other conservatives voted for? Like I said earlier in the thread, I'm not against noting when Trump and his government do something good or something I support, but the list is fairly short at the moment. Can you elaborate on what I'm missing?

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3 hours ago, Silent Jay said:

I get that his style is somewhat unorthodox and it can be offensive but at the same time the opposition are cheering for AOC, Waters or Elisabeth Warren, who are equally, if not, more unhinged than POTUS.

Absolute insanity to think any of the names you mentioned are anywhere near as mentally unhinged as Trump. Interestingly, they do have one thing in common: they're women.

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10 hours ago, Silent Jay said:

You keep saying republicans and Trump voters are blind and brainwashed. Are they ? POTUS is doing the things he said he was going to do, or at least he's trying. That's why his approval among republicans is nearly 90%. 

I get that his style is somewhat unorthodox and it can be offensive but at the same time the opposition are cheering for AOC, Waters or Elisabeth Warren, who are equally, if not, more unhinged than POTUS.

You have a chance to vote him out next year even though you have to realize that he could be re-elected.

Well Fox news is a conservative outlet, and one of the only. If Fox News is Nazi propaganda then CNN is Marxist socialism propaganda.

CNN Maxist? LOL!!! It was not CNN who said Soviet Union invasion of Afghanistan was a good thing. Your President said that. Republicans can express their views on CNN. In what way is that Maxist? Rick Santorum is a regular guest on CNN. Is he a Marxist? Far from it.

Trump is not just unorthodox. He lies 24/7. He used campaign money to pay some porn star. He is cluless about foreign policy. He doesn't listen to advisers, except to his daughter and son in law. Those two are as cluless and incompetent as he is. His family shouldn't be WH staffers. He makes a fool of himself on twitter everyday. A real President doesn't run the country from twitter.

People working in the WH have taken papers away from his desk to avoid a mess

He likes dictators like the North Korea guy, those Saudi Arabia king and prince not to mention his best friend Putin. Those countries are U.S. enemies. But for him the Justice Department and the intelligence community are the enemies.

He promised Ford and GM would open new factories. Well, they are closing them

Trump has shown support for white supremacy groups. That's insane!

The stupid tariffs are hurting farmers and factory workers. Because China retaliated

Yes, the economy is healthy. But it was Obama the one who started the process. Still Trump drives the markets crazy with his mood swings and stupidity. 

And I would like to see his tax return. Why is he so unwilling to make it public? I guess it's because he doesn't pay

Elizabeth Warren may say a lot of stupid things. But she is not the President. Nobody knows what's gonna happen in the primary. Not a single vote has been cast yet.

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Frankly I am happy the TSA is having issues with attendance now that there is a government shut down. I think their jobs are useless and I, for one, would not be disappointed if my hard earned money ceased to support them.

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15 hours ago, Padme said:

CNN Maxist? LOL!!! It was not CNN who said Soviet Union invasion of Afghanistan was a good thing. Your President said that. Republicans can express their views on CNN. In what way is that Maxist? Rick Santorum is a regular guest on CNN. Is he a Marxist? Far from it.

Trump is not just unorthodox. He lies 24/7. He used campaign money to pay some porn star. He is cluless about foreign policy. He doesn't listen to advisers, except to his daughter and son in law. Those two are as cluless and incompetent as he is. His family shouldn't be WH staffers. He makes a fool of himself on twitter everyday. A real President doesn't run the country from twitter.

People working in the WH have taken papers away from his desk to avoid a mess

He likes dictators like the North Korea guy, those Saudi Arabia king and prince not to mention his best friend Putin. Those countries are U.S. enemies. But for him the Justice Department and the intelligence community are the enemies.

He promised Ford and GM would open new factories. Well, they are closing them

Trump has shown support for white supremacy groups. That's insane!

The stupid tariffs are hurting farmers and factory workers. Because China retaliated

Yes, the economy is healthy. But it was Obama the one who started the process. Still Trump drives the markets crazy with his mood swings and stupidity. 

And I would like to see his tax return. Why is he so unwilling to make it public? I guess it's because he doesn't pay

Elizabeth Warren may say a lot of stupid things. But she is not the President. Nobody knows what's gonna happen in the primary. Not a single vote has been cast yet.

Trump will get re-elected. Americans vote with their wallets. As long there isn't a recession, the Republicans will rule until there is another one.

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We need a Democrat who will not only win back the working people, but also win the progressives. And I do not want Joe or Bernie to run. They are too fucking old and let's face it, they probably grabbed a few rear ends. Don't want Warren to run either, she is too stupid to avoid the traps Republicans set.

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On 2019-01-05 at 5:56 PM, Silent Jay said:

You keep saying republicans and Trump voters are blind and brainwashed. Are they ? POTUS is doing the things he said he was going to do, or at least he's trying. That's why his approval among republicans is nearly 90%. 

Nope.

The notion that Trump's approval rating has anything to do with his record is nonsense.  BTW, this isn't exclusive to Trump; most people will continue to root for their leader regardless of what happens.  Over 50 percent of Republicans gave Nixon their approval even after he resigned in disgrace.   It's a sheep-like mentality with party-members.  

Moreover, he's not doing the things he said he would do.  Last time I checked Mexico isn't paying for the wall, jobs aren't coming back from China and Mexico (the problem seems to be getting worse because of Trump), Obamacare hasn't been repealed and replaced with something better, the national debt won't be eliminated in five years like promised, he hasn't defunded Planned Parenthood, nothing done on infrastructure (a political gimme if there ever was one), the swamp has only become insanely more swampier, Medicaid isn't being administered through block grants, the Iran deal hasn't been renegotiated, term limits haven't been enacted, etc (I could go on, but you get the picture).

Many political positions that Republicans use to be for or against they are now on the opposite side solely because of Trump.  Free trade, Russia, debt/deficits, foreign interventions - many of these issues saw Republicans on the other side of the fence from where they stand now.  Many claim to be compassionate conservatives but continue to support an administration that separates children from their parents at the border and are outright hostile to refugees getting their chance to plead their case within the system that is established by law.  Trump supporters continue to deride current and former Republicans who take issue with Trump's behaviour, most notably with respect to his hostility towards Robert Mueller, who has already uncovered and administered justice to former Trump campaign/administration staff and Russian operatives. 

It's as if no Trump supporter has ever heard of Orwell's book Animal Farm.  

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