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5 hours ago, downzy said:

Interesting study released on the use of force by police officers on white versus black subjects:

"According to the new numbers, Chicago police officers used more force against black citizens, on average, than any other race—even though black citizens tended to exercise less resistance than whites."

So even though black citizens of Chicago were less hostile towards police officers, cops still used more force on them than white subjects.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/chicago-police-department-consent-decree-black-lives-matter-resistance.html

And some people still claim that institutional racism doesn't exist.  

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

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17 hours ago, downzy said:

Interesting study released on the use of force by police officers on white versus black subjects:

"According to the new numbers, Chicago police officers used more force against black citizens, on average, than any other race—even though black citizens tended to exercise less resistance than whites."

So even though black citizens of Chicago were less hostile towards police officers, cops still used more force on them than white subjects.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/chicago-police-department-consent-decree-black-lives-matter-resistance.html

And some people still claim that institutional racism doesn't exist.  

From the same article

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For instance, black subjects offered Level 1 or 2 resistance in 47.5 percent of cases, as compared to 44 percent of white subjects who offered the same lower levels of resistance. Meanwhile, black subjects faced Levels 3 or 4 use of force 91.6 percent of the time, as compared to white subjects who faced those levels of force in 89.2 percent of cases. 

So we're talking a difference of 3.5% on two levels of force, and 2.4% on the other. The only large disparity is the 43% vs 28% on lethal force, but the article only says "similar situations" without going into details, which would seem to be pertinent. And what about asians and non-white hispanics, why aren't they in this comparison? I would also be interested in stats on the race of the officers in these breakdowns.

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She thinks it is okay to call him a racist, sexist, narcissist, but draws the line at fascist. That's funny. And you can be a fascist and not be Hitler.

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1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

She thinks it is okay to call him a racist, sexist, narcissist, but draws the line at fascist. That's funny. And you can be a fascist and not be Hitler.

I would actually make a distinction between nazism and fascism but that is a conversation for another time. But no, of course Trump is not fascist. Anyone making such a claim has no knowledge of history.

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5 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

I would actually make a distinction between nazism and fascism but that is a conversation for another time. But no, of course Trump is not fascist. Anyone making such a claim has no knowledge of history.

I don't think he is a facist, either, he probably doesn't know what it is and he isn't the kind of guy with an ideology at all- not exactly the thinking kind of president. But he has fascistoid traits, like not liking constitutional limitations to his power or a free press. 

 

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49 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Trumps a money-ist.

And an egotist. There’s nothing else there. 

 

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There's so much WIN here! Thank you Mr. President!

The Trump administration has expressly denied their request to wave the rainbow flag during the month of June.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/48185/report-trump-admin-says-no-flying-pride-flags-us-paul-bois?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro

President Trump successfully makes deal with Mexico on Immigration.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-makes-deal-with-mexico-on-tariffs-immigration-trump-announces

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4 minutes ago, 31illusions said:

There's so much WIN here! Thank you Mr. President!

The Trump administration has expressly denied their request to wave the rainbow flag during the month of June.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/48185/report-trump-admin-says-no-flying-pride-flags-us-paul-bois?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro

So much win? Well if you’re a fan of bigotry I guess. :jerkoff: 

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37 minutes ago, Dazey said:

So much win? Well if you’re a fan of bigotry I guess. :jerkoff: 

Everything that's not strait up liberalism is bigotry, racism, misogyny and hate to you. Actually it's called Conservatism. Let me help you define that.

Conservatism:
1. a disposition in politics to preserve what is established.
2. a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change specifically, such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs.
3. the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change.
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14 minutes ago, 31illusions said:

Everything that's not strait up liberalism is bigotry, racism, misogyny and hate to you. Actually it's called Conservatism. Let me help you define that.

Conservatism:
1. a disposition in politics to preserve what is established.
2. a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change specifically, such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs.
3. the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change.

Tradition can go fuck itself.

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17 hours ago, Dazey said:

Tradition can go fuck itself.

I don't care for a rainbow flag on government property. 

But here's my problem with conservatives, on social issues, all they are is a liberal who's 10-20 years behind. Once it's established that rainbow flags on government property is the tradition, they'll fight to preserve it. I can see it now, a National Review headline, "Why rainbow flags on government property is a conservative value!" The next step is, 'Desmond is Amazing' is a conservative icon!

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22 hours ago, 31illusions said:

Everything that's not strait up liberalism is bigotry, racism, misogyny and hate to you. Actually it's called Conservatism. Let me help you define that.

Conservatism:
1. a disposition in politics to preserve what is established.
2. a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change specifically, such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs.
3. the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change.

Do you think it's just an accident that most bigots throughout US history align with conservative orthodoxy?  

Not mutually inclusive, but there is a relationship there.  

4 hours ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

I don't care for a rainbow flag on government property. 

But here's my problem with conservatives, on social issues, all they are is a liberal who's 10-20 years behind. Once it's established that rainbow flags on government property is the tradition, they'll fight to preserve it. I can see it now, a National Review headline, "Why rainbow flags on government property is a conservative value!" The next step is, 'Desmond is Amazing' is a conservative icon!

Would you then advocate for the removal of all religious symbolism from government grounds?  Say, Christmas trees?

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59 minutes ago, downzy said:

Do you think it's just an accident that most bigots throughout US history align with conservative orthodoxy?  

Not mutually inclusive, but there is a relationship there.  

Would you then advocate for the removal of all religious symbolism from government grounds?  Say, Christmas trees?

Don't know how relevant that is since a Christmas tree is nowhere to be found in the Bible. I would definitely disallow new crosses and menorah's on public property though as those are overtly religious. 

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On 6/9/2019 at 3:02 PM, Dazey said:

So much win? Well if you’re a fan of bigotry I guess. :jerkoff:

 

I don't see the need to hang that flag where they're asking to hang it.  Be gay and happy but why do I need to see it in a flagpole?  A straight pride flag would also be denied so I would hardly consider this decision bigotry.

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8 hours ago, downzy said:

Do you think it's just an accident that most bigots throughout US history align with conservative orthodoxy?  

 

Let's keep the discussion to all the good Trump is doing. The man brokered a deal with Mexico, which no other President has done. Economy is good! Jobs are up! Everybody's happy! Here's to Trump's success and to 4 more years! :hug:

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4 minutes ago, 31illusions said:

Let's keep the discussion to all the good Trump is doing. The man brokered a deal with Mexico, which no other President has done. Economy is good! Jobs are up! Everybody's happy! Here's to Trump's success and to 4 more years! :hug:

There was no real deal with Mexico. Mexico just reiterated what they agreed to back in December. It’s a fake crisis to fool the uninformed. 

https://www.vox.com/2019/6/10/18659648/donald-trump-tariff-mexico-immigration-deal

 

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7 hours ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

Don't know how relevant that is since a Christmas tree is nowhere to be found in the Bible. I would definitely disallow new crosses and menorah's on public property though as those are overtly religious. 

We’re going to split hairs here on whether a Christmas tree has overt religious symbolism?

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5 hours ago, Swampfox said:

I don't see the need to hang that flag where they're asking to hang it.  Be gay and happy but why do I need to see it in a flagpole?  A straight pride flag would also be denied so I would hardly consider this decision bigotry.

Straight pride as a concept is just idiotic anyway so we’ll not even go there. 

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On ‎02‎/‎06‎/‎2019 at 8:19 PM, DieselDaisy said:

I would actually make a distinction between nazism and fascism but that is a conversation for another time. But no, of course Trump is not fascist. Anyone making such a claim has no knowledge of history.

"national socialist deutsche arbeiders partei". That's how the nazi party was called, and what their program was. A racist, but social and anti-capitalist program aimed at conquering ground for "true" germans and destruction of inferior races.

Today, there really is no party around that remotely resembles the nazi party. Modern parties are either "left", which means social and pro-immigration, or "right", which means anti social and anti-immigration. The nazis had some left, some right in their program. Today, if you vote against immigrants, you're also voting against social welfare. If you vote for social welfare, you're also voting pro immigration.

I think many yellow jackets miscalulated the effect of their votes, ignorant as they are. How many of them voted right, against immigrants, but were surprised when right parties began to cut back on their social wages?

But in scandinavia, a curious party is emerging that combines elements of right and left, much like national socialism. It has a very hardcore anti-immigration policy, but also a very social program. And they're starting to win elections. No one is talking about it, everyone is still focused on the obsolete left-right dichotomy.

 

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4 hours ago, Dazey said:

Straight pride as a concept is just idiotic anyway so we’ll not even go there. 

why would anyone be triggered by a straight pride? tolerant people should be indifferent towards it.

it's just people coming together having fun. Some people see the fun in it, other people call it idiotic. That's just the times we live in. it's the beauty of living in a free world.

I don't see the harm in it personally. As long as people stay civilised and tolerant, what could go wrong?

 

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58 minutes ago, action said:

why would anyone be triggered by a straight pride? tolerant people should be indifferent towards it.

it's just people coming together having fun. 

 

Seriously? 🤣  no one’s that fucking naive. 

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