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Trump on TV again saying “We’re keeping the oil. We have the oil. The oil is secure. We left troops behind only for the oil"

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On 11/11/2019 at 2:45 PM, downzy said:

The Republican party has become the vessel in which authoritarianism currently spreads in America.  This emergence of authoritarianism will likely not be limited to the Republican party going forward. The in-kind reaction from Democrats and non-Republicans will likely follow suit.  But it's a dangerous precedent.  

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11 hours ago, TheSeeker said:

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Neat trick that allows you to call anything you don't like Nazi to shut it down.

16 hours ago, -W.A.R- said:

Trump on TV again saying “We’re keeping the oil. We have the oil. The oil is secure. We left troops behind only for the oil"

If he added Israel to that sentence, it would be the most honest thing a politician has ever said.

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On 11/11/2019 at 1:45 PM, downzy said:

I've been saying this for awhile.

Republicans could give a rats ass about democracy.  They don't really believe in it anymore.  It's all about the accumulation of power, imposing their ideology on the country, and prioritizing the interests of some (and more often than not, the minority) over everyone else.  They reject election results that do not go their way.  

It's why they dismiss the concerns about Russian interference (since it helped their side), defend the electoral college (it has given them the White House two of the last five elections despite losing the popular vote), and do not see abuse of power as an impeachable offence and justifying removal from office for a sitting President (so long as it's one of their own).  

They strip incoming Democrat governors of power when they can, deny a sitting Democratic president the right to nominate a Supreme Court justice, and fight tooth and nail to defend hyper gerrymandered districts in courts.  

The Republican party has become the vessel in which authoritarianism currently spreads in America.  This emergence of authoritarianism will likely not be limited to the Republican party going forward. The in-kind reaction from Democrats and non-Republicans will likely follow suit.  But it's a dangerous precedent.  

Trump isn't the cause but the result of authoritarian politics in the Republican party.  If a day comes when unabashed and naked authoritarianism takes over governance in America, whether it's the left or the right, people of that time only need to look back at the bad faith actions and words espoused by Republicans starting in the mid 90s through the age of Trumpism.  So whenever I hear people like Lindsay Graham, Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan, Mitch McConnell talk about the will of the people, it makes shake my head.  They only give a shit about power and give zero fucks about respecting the values, principles, norms and ethics of what made America one of the greatest countries on the planet.  

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-secret-reason-republicans-wont-impeach-trump?ref=scroll

"So when you hear someone on television say that Republicans’ posture is all about their fear of Trump, don’t buy it. It’s partly about that. But it’s also about this. If they were to acquiesce in the removal of a Republican president, they’d be placing democracy ahead of power. And this is one thing that we know they will not do."  

If you want a Republican to do something for you, you have to pay him a shitload of money. They don't even care about their own base of voters, much less the country as a whole. The Republicans are a conduit for plutocrats to pump and dump this country, I don't see what else the purpose of their party is (and really they have been a tool for big business and plutocrats from their very inception). The sad thing is the way the Democrats have sold out their own working class base and met the Republicans head on with their own Neoliberal economics. 

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First Bloomberg announces now it is Deval Patrick. They must be really concerned Warren will get the nomination since Biden is slipping.

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11 minutes ago, TheSeeker said:

 

Fuck i wish they did this when i was in school :lol: I could scribble some garbage about god after all those questions i just took a guess on.

Seriously what a dumb bill.

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5 minutes ago, -W.A.R- said:

Fuck i wish they did this when i was in school :lol: I could scribble some garbage about god after all those questions i just took a guess on.

Seriously what a dumb bill.

I hope all these people get on a plane designed by somebody who was allowed to argue their way to a passing grade in math.

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9 minutes ago, TheSeeker said:

 

Pete is going to get slaughtered in the southern democratic (heavily black) primaries.

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Warrens's trying to sell her shitty health plan as "Medicare for All". It's more like "Medicare for those making under $24,000 and everyone over the age of 50".

Don't buy her shit. 

 

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47 minutes ago, TheSeeker said:

Warrens's trying to sell her shitty health plan as "Medicare for All". It's more like "Medicare for those making under $24,000 and everyone over the age of 50".

Don't buy her shit. 

 

The Dems bases' petite intelligentsia is obsessed with incrementalism. And while there is plenty of times that this makes sense, they are just as happy to force incrementalism where it doesnt belong, just for incrementalisms sake.

Take the climate crisis for instance. To propose incrementalism is to deny science. We have 11 years and they want their slogans of "reason" and "incrementalism"... meaning they deny science.

It makes perfect sense to me that she would exploit that weakness in her base. Plus it obviously serves her actual aims as suggested in the tweet.

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I don't know why people believe a woman who was a Republican until she was 47 years old is all of a sudden a socialist. Just vote for the real deal in Bernie and you know what you'll get.

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There is no legislative path for Bernie's Medicare For All, not only because of GOP control of the Senate but also because there are huge numbers of citizens, Democrats and Republicans alike, who don't want to lose their employer based insurance. There are many members of congress who can't afford to be the representative who took away large swaths of their constituents' insurance without someone running against them at home and beating them based on that.

Also, to dismiss Warren for once identifying as a Republican is just tribal. Furthermore, she specifically does not identify as a socialist, which helps makes her a more electable candidate than Sanders. There's nothing wrong with supporting Sanders over Warren, but as of the information given right now, come election day, I really think the strategically apt thing for any Sanders supporter to do is support Warren, and until we see more polls like the one posted above, I don't see what reason there is to believe otherwise. I wouldn't mind seeing this change though! And maybe it will with how poorly Warren is rolling out her healthcare plan.

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8 minutes ago, Jakey Styley said:

There is no legislative path for Bernie's Medicare For All, not only because of GOP control of the Senate but also because there are huge numbers of citizens, Democrats and Republicans alike, who don't want to lose their employer based insurance. There are many members of congress who can't afford to be the representative who took away large swaths of their constituents' insurance without someone running against them at home and beating them based on that.

Also, to dismiss Warren for once identifying as a Republican is just tribal. Furthermore, she specifically does not identify as a socialist, which helps makes her a more electable candidate than Sanders. There's nothing wrong with supporting Sanders over Warren, but as of the information given right now, come election day, I really think the strategically apt thing for any Sanders supporter to do is support Warren, and until we see more polls like the one posted above, I don't see what reason there is to believe otherwise. I wouldn't mind seeing this change though! And maybe it will with how poorly Warren is rolling out her healthcare plan.

She's a charlaton who is saying things she'll never follow-up on in office. If people want what she's claiming she'll do, they might as well just vote for Bernie, who has been talking about these issues since the days when Warren was a Republican! 

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Just now, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

She's a charlaton who is saying things she'll never follow-up on in office. If people want what she's claiming she'll do, they might as well just vote for Bernie, who has been talking about these issues since the days when Warren was a Republican! 

If she doesn't try to push policy towards her platform then she will be voted out. That's the goal of any politician, to stay in office. In voting for President we are not voting for a dictator, only a player in a really difficult and complicated system. Sanders and Warren want similar things, and Warren's approach is just systematically more likely to get those things done than Bernie's.

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Hate to push my own agenda but thats a reason why I think foreign policy should be more of a focal point for candidates. Its where they can make real change and I want to know their vision. Oh how I yearn for a President who will challenge the foreign policy consensus in Washington and go at the weapons manufactures. I mean this whole Trump impeachment ordeal is about him withholding these friggin Bazooka type weapons until he got an investigation into Biden.

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54 minutes ago, Jakey Styley said:

If she doesn't try to push policy towards her platform then she will be voted out. That's the goal of any politician, to stay in office. In voting for President we are not voting for a dictator, only a player in a really difficult and complicated system. Sanders and Warren want similar things, and Warren's approach is just systematically more likely to get those things done than Bernie's.

Wait, how do we know Warren wants similar things as Bernie...because she says so at a debate? 

37 minutes ago, -W.A.R- said:

Hate to push my own agenda but thats a reason why I think foreign policy should be more of a focal point for candidates. Its where they can make real change and I want to know their vision. Oh how I yearn for a President who will challenge the foreign policy consensus in Washington and go at the weapons manufactures. I mean this whole Trump impeachment ordeal is about him withholding these friggin Bazooka type weapons until he got an investigation into Biden.

Her name is Tulsi Gabbard and she's currently being smeared by the media machine. Until the donor class has it's power stripped and the media monopolies are broken up we won't see said President.

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Has Trump ANY brain? Anything going on in there other than petulance? 

Why kinda knob jockey tweets crap real time about a witness who’s testifying against him for intimidation. 

Whatever your politics may be. That’s a dumb man making a dumb decision. His decision making process is not fit for the purpose he currently is applying it to. 

He needs to go back to slapping other bitches around in the real estate world. 

Politics is not this mans forte. Or making good decisions.

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6 hours ago, Jakey Styley said:

If she doesn't try to push policy towards her platform then she will be voted out. That's the goal of any politician, to stay in office. In voting for President we are not voting for a dictator, only a player in a really difficult and complicated system. Sanders and Warren want similar things, and Warren's approach is just systematically more likely to get those things done than Bernie's.

Punting the actual expansion of Medicare "for all" to the 3rd year of Warren's presidency might as well be Warren saying "it's never happening"

Speaking of Charlatans...

Watching Obama being forced to campaign for Bernie is going to be very satisfying

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On 2019-11-15 at 9:54 PM, TheSeeker said:

Watching Obama being forced to campaign for Bernie is going to be very satisfying

Bernie is not going to be the nominee.  

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