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If you still believe in the Republican theory of what transpired regarding Trump-Russia-Ukraine-Biden-Schiff:

"Let’s imagine Hercule Poirot, or even Harriet the Spy, were tasked with explaining the impeachment plot. The Devin Nunes theory of the case would be extravagantly complex: This whodunit seems to involve House Democrats colluding with a deep state whistleblower and his attorney, who had been plotting a “coup” against the president since the weeks following his election, and who was willing to conspire with Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee to sideline the inspector general and hide the whistleblower from public view. Simultaneously, Democrats have been working assiduously with Russia toward the “funding and spreading” of the Steele dossier while “cooperating in Ukrainian election meddling” all while Hunter Biden used his preelection influence to have an impact on foreign policy under Predsident Barack Obama, and as the “politicized bureaucracy” now conspires to deliberately undermine “the president who they are supposed to be serving,” in the form of corrupt ambassadors. It’s elementary, my dear Watson: This, per Nunes, is a sprawling “hoax” engineered by disparate “elements of the FBI, the Department of Justice, and now the State Department” along with the “corrupt media” to work hand and glove to something, something “nude pictures.” The theory of the case is that all of these entities conspired for years, together, to craft a hoax and sham “Star Chamber” in order to subvert the will of the American electorate. All that’s missing, truly, is Colonel Mustard with a lead pipe in the conservatory.

There is, of course, a second theory of the case. It’s that Donald Trump got an absurd idea in his head about Ukraine working to hurt him in the 2016 election, and another dumb idea in his head about how to smear his likely 2020 electoral opponent, and so he created a back channel consisting of “three amigos” to effectuate a shadow foreign policy that involved withholding appropriated aid to Ukraine until its leader did a CNN interview claiming to be investigating those things. That’s it. There’s no elaborate web of shady malefactors who hate America and engaged in a yearslong, multiagency, deep state takedown of the president. It’s just a bunch of largely incompetent international affairs novices who thought themselves fractionally more adept than they really were, and the host of enablers and bag men who tried to cover it all up after the fact.

"It is simply a reflection of how far many of us are willing go to prove that the conspiracy is reality and reality is part of the conspiracy."

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/11/two-theories-impeachment-hearings-republicans-democrats.html?via=recirc_recent

 

TL;DR - you have to be a fucking moron at this point to think the Republican account of what happened is in any way connected to the truth.  

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Democratic Governor John Bel Edwards wins re-election in the state of Louisiana.

With the governor mansions in Kentucky and now Louisiana either going or staying in Democratic hands, it's not looking like impeachment efforts are hurting Democrats like some Republicans had believed.  

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12 hours ago, downzy said:

Bernie is not going to be the nominee.  

lol

Bernie's polling first and the media is actively lying about it because they're scared shitless

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Bernie's going to win Iowa and New Hampshire and it'll be over at that point

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1 hour ago, TheSeeker said:

lol

Bernie's polling first and the media is actively lying about it because they're scared shitless

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Bernie's going to win Iowa and New Hampshire and it'll be over at that point

Bernie's polling first?  According to what poll?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-6731.html

Not a single poll shows a lead for Sanders in Iowa.

There's a few polls taken in the last 10 months that show him leading in New Hampshire, but for the most part it looks like a toss up (at this point) between Warren and Biden, with Warren the favourite in most polls:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/nh/new_hampshire_democratic_presidential_primary-6276.html

After that it doesn't look good for Sanders.  Most early primary states show a lead for either Warren or Biden.  A lot can change between now and Feb/March, but as of today there's little evidence to indicate how Sanders wins the nomination other than through a brokered convention (which I wouldn't put money on, since Sanders isn't really a Democrat).  

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IG report coming during the first week of December. I guess DOJ won't interrupt the schiff show, which will collapse under its own weight.

 

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18 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

IG report coming during the first week of December. I guess DOJ won't interrupt the schiff show, which will collapse under its own weight.

 

So crazy cat lady wasn’t aware of who was asking and who was answering the questions? Not sure what point you’re trying to make. 

“Is Adam Schiff not under oath?”

No, he’s not a witness, he’s the guy asking the questions you utter fucknugget!! :lol: 

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1 minute ago, Dazey said:

So crazy cat lady wasn’t aware of who was asking and who was answering the questions? Not sure what point you’re trying to make. 

My point is that the release of the Horowitz IG report on FISA abuse is imminent. The reason for delay is probably to complete the Durham criminal probe on the origins of the Russia investigation.

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5 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

My point is that the release of the Horowitz IG report on FISA abuse is imminent. The reason for delay is probably to complete the Durham criminal probe on the origins of the Russia investigation.

Yeah, I'm just getting this.

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3 hours ago, Silent Jay said:

My point is that the release of the Horowitz IG report on FISA abuse is imminent. The reason for delay is probably to complete the Durham criminal probe on the origins of the Russia investigation.

What do you think the consequences of each will be? 

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Another whistleblower, but this time relating to the IRS and its handling of auditing Trump's financial affairs:

https://www.axios.com/whistleblower-complaint-trump-tax-returns-irs-52a4bf54-7a0d-4d6c-902d-510b2315eb09.html

Either the deep state is truly out to get Trump or he's acting as President in the same manner as he did as a slimy and shady business operative.  

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Rewarding campaign donors with cushy ambassador jobs is nothing unique to either party, but the latest development involving Trump mega-donnoer, the RNC and the ambassadorship or the Bahamas takes things to a whole new level:

https://www.vox.com/2019/11/18/20970842/ronna-mcdaniel-rnc-doug-manchester-ambassador-bahamas-trump

TL;DR: Three days after nomination for the Bahamian ambassador position, the RNC asked the nominee to fork over $50k.  His response was that his wife was donating $100k so long as he nomination went smoothly.    But because the wrong person was cc'd and all of this became exposed, the whole thing blew up and the nominee withdrew their name.  

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15 minutes ago, TheSeeker said:

 

Again, not a single polls shows Sanders with a lead in Iowa.  That poll shows he shares the lead with Biden.  

The CBS poll is also an outlier for Sanders compared to other polls.  The four or five other polls taken around the time of the CBS poll show him around 15-16 percent on average.  CBS is the only one showing support for Sanders above 20.  In fact, you have to go back to June to find a poll not taken by CBS to show Sanders with support in Iowa above 20 percent.  

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1 hour ago, TheSeeker said:

 later Pete

 

LOL

He also did a town hall with Fox News.  Did that disqualify him?  

And nothing in this video suggest Buttigieg is praising the tea party, just that he shares concerns about how the government doesn't adequately respond to citizens.  Wouldn't Bernie Sanders agree?   

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Biden is out here saying marijuana may be a gateway drug and he wants more research before he supports legalization :facepalm: How do you fumble on that issue?

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2 hours ago, TheSeeker said:

 later Pete

 

That video is disqualifying and this isn’t? 
 

 

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15 hours ago, downzy said:

Another whistleblower, but this time relating to the IRS and its handling of auditing Trump's financial affairs:

https://www.axios.com/whistleblower-complaint-trump-tax-returns-irs-52a4bf54-7a0d-4d6c-902d-510b2315eb09.html

Either the deep state is truly out to get Trump or he's acting as President in the same manner as he did as a slimy and shady business operative.  

Both can be true

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2 hours ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

Both can be true

Agreed.  But in this situation, considering nothing has been unearthed so far about diplomats or bureaucrats having a nefarious agenda revealed in contrast to the standard operating procedure of Trump as a businessman and political operative, what do you think is more likely in this situation?

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11 hours ago, -W.A.R- said:

I think i hate everyone in this impeachment saga.

How so?  

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3 hours ago, downzy said:

How so?  

"Because this is America...here, right matters" My eyes almost rolled out of my head. I also don't like the cold war mindset that blankets this whole thing. Trump tried to leverage the Javelins to get an investigation into Biden and should be impeached (one in a long list of things he should be impeached for) but yeah these live hearings have been pretty repelling to me.

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This comes as a surprise, but its great news. Hard to say if/how the timing relates to Trudeaus weakened mandate (he only announces the new cabinet later today). Theres certainly a lot of pressure on him from progressives whom he needs to remain in power, and this flies in the face of the Conservatives who took away his Majority gov. Perhaps it is simply that the Trump regime is going way too far about Israel and Canada had the obligation to react, political fallout be damned? 

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Canada reverses UN stance on Palestinians in break with U.S. over settlements

Canada voted for a UN resolution on Tuesday in support of Palestinians' right to self-determination.

The vote marks a major departure for Canada, which has declined to support substantially the same resolution through 14 consecutive votes since Stephen Harper came to power in 2006.

Tuesday's resolution was opposed by Israel, the United States and three Pacific island nations that depend heavily on U.S. aid and tend to vote with Washington at the UN: the Marshall Islands, Nauru and the Federated States of Micronesia.

Speaking on background, an official at Global Affairs Canada said the vote sends a message that Canada does not agree with U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo's assertion on Monday that Israeli settlements in the Occupied Territories are "not, per se, inconsistent with international law." (...)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/un-palestinian-vote-canada-israel-us-1.5365637

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EU Ambassador Sondland is laying waste to the Republican defence of Trump and his administration:

- It was a quid pro quo orchestrated by Giuliani at the best of Trump
- Secretary of State Pompeo and VP Pence were in the loop of what was going on
- Trump didn't even care that investigation of Biden actually happened, but only really wanted the appearance of an investigation
- Believed that a visit with Trump by the Ukrainian President and the release of foreign assistance funds was conditioned to the "investigation."

So what's Republicans defence going to be now? 

Even Kenneth Starr, famed special prosecutor of the Clinton impeachment, remarked this morning on Fox News that Sondland's testimony might result in Republican Senators traveling to the White House asking for Trump's resignation.  I seriously doubt that in this climate.  In normal times a sitting President getting caught committing such infractions would have already started packing.

1 minute ago, SoulMonster said:

Sondland's testimony should at least put Guiliani behind bars. 

It will be interesting to see if Giuliani and Trump try to sell each other out.  

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