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5 hours ago, Padme said:

 

Trump is so ridiculous that you can be the guy with a black face scandal and still not be the butt of the in-crowds jokes!

Also, I love Power and Politics! Cool to see it appear here :headbang:

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This is just chilling:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/attorney-general-barr-comments-communities-support-respect-without-police-protection.html?via=taps_top

The current AG of the United States is extorting certain communities that have long raised complaints about police brutality and misconduct.

This is how authoritarianism takes hold.  Either shut up and accept what we give you or we'll render your community into a lawless wasteland by our absence.  

The party that once stood for free markets and law and justice is now simply the party of authoritarianism.  

5 hours ago, Padme said:

 

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2 hours ago, soon said:

Trump is so ridiculous that you can be the guy with a black face scandal and still not be the butt of the in-crowds jokes!

The black face scandal isn't such a big deal elsewhere, the tall guy standing next to him is the Dutch prime minister, just google ''zwarte piet'' and you will see what he grew up with.

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21 hours ago, soon said:

Handsy Uncle Joe ranting. That "My friend Popcorn" rant overshadowed other gems from that same speech. This is making the rounds lately. 0:39-1:40

:lol::lol::lol:

It's hilarious to see the DNC putting up Biden as their front-runner. His campaign is a trainwreck.

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2 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

It's hilarious to see the DNC putting up Biden as their front-runner. His campaign is a trainwreck.

One area where we agree.

If he weren't Obama's VP he would be polling in the single digits.  He's only polling well against Trump now because the general public aren't really paying attention to the Democratic primaries.  

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2 minutes ago, downzy said:

One area where we agree.

If he weren't Obama's VP he would be polling in the single digits.  He's only polling well against Trump now because the general public aren't really paying attention to the Democratic primaries.  

Is there any hope left for the DNC in 2020?

It's like they want to put a loser like the RNC did with Romney. They have no clue how to win the election.

Even the impeachment hearings is failing, independants now are siding with Trump.

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51 minutes ago, EvanG said:

The black face scandal isn't such a big deal elsewhere, the tall guy standing next to him is the Dutch prime minister, just google ''zwarte piet'' and you will see what he grew up with.

I can imagine it wasnt a big deal where black face is still celebrated. :P But without Trump the jokes may well have been for that Dutch stretch to greet Trudeau as "Prime Minister Zwatre Piet" or something. :lol:

I actually get the impression that outside of your neighbourhood it was bigger news abroad then it was here. Outside of some rag tag right wing outlets it was largely out of the news cycle in 48 hrs here. But online it was a joke for a while. We were in a federal election campaign and needed to move passed it quickly to make sure we didnt get stuck with conservatives.

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Trump left the summit because he was offended :rofl-lol:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/04/trump-describes-trudeau-as-two-faced-over-nato-hot-mic-video

This is the guy who made fun of disabled people. He has insulted and disrespected everyone. But he got pissed off when others made fun of him. 

He is testing his own medicine

What goes around, comes around

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1 hour ago, Silent Jay said:

Is there any hope left for the DNC in 2020?

 

Long Answer  if they are able to raise a shitload of money and put up a Trump-like candidate for the Liberals(Bernie Warren) who is actually able to get some moderates then yes.

Short Answer; We will see but most likely no 

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5 hours ago, Silent Jay said:

Is there any hope left for the DNC in 2020?

It's like they want to put a loser like the RNC did with Romney. They have no clue how to win the election.

Even the impeachment hearings is failing, independants now are siding with Trump.

No one really knows right now. Few people thought at this point Trump would win in 2016. It’s still a long way out. 
 

As for the impeachment process, the polls have not really shifted at all since the whistleblower’s account. The only reason it’s not a slam dunk is either Republicans have done a good job at muddying the waters or enough Americans have their heads firmly planted up their own asses. As one professor made clear in today’s judiciary hearing, if what Trump did is not impeachable than nothing is.  You either believe that impeachment is not a valid oversight mechanism or you’re a sad partisan hack who only defends Trump because he’s on your team. There is no objective defence of Trump’s actions, nor is there any excuse or reason for why he shouldn’t be thrown out of office. 

5 hours ago, Padme said:

Trump left the summit because he was offended :rofl-lol:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/04/trump-describes-trudeau-as-two-faced-over-nato-hot-mic-video

This is the guy who made fun of disabled people. He has insulted and disrespected everyone. But he got pissed off when others made fun of him. 

He is testing his own medicine

What goes around, comes around

The people who are most likely to call other snowflakes are usually the biggest snowflakes out there. 

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11 hours ago, downzy said:

As for the impeachment process, the polls have not really shifted at all since the whistleblower’s account. The only reason it’s not a slam dunk is either Republicans have done a good job at muddying the waters or enough Americans have their heads firmly planted up their own asses. As one professor made clear in today’s judiciary hearing, if what Trump did is not impeachable than nothing is.  You either believe that impeachment is not a valid oversight mechanism or you’re a sad partisan hack who only defends Trump because he’s on your team. There is no objective defence of Trump’s actions, nor is there any excuse or reason for why he shouldn’t be thrown out of office. 

Not everyone is like you, not everyone is a true politico.

And then you got people like me who think the US shouldn't even be involved with Ukraine in the first place! 

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48 minutes ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

Not everyone is like you, not everyone is a true politico.

And then you got people like me who think the US shouldn't even be involved with Ukraine in the first place! 

You don't need to be a politico to know and understand what's going on.  Republicans have lambasted Democrats for rushing the process but there's really not much to it.  The POTUS asked a foreign government to investigate his likely political rival for political gain.  It's a crime to solicit foreign aid for a political campaign.  That's it.  At that point it doesn't matter whether there was bribery, extortion, or "quid pro quo" is present.  The transcript Trump released should be enough.  

At the end of the day citizens of a western developed democracy gets the government they deserve.  If someone can't be bothered to learn the facts, acknowledge the truth, and support upholding the law, they're going to get a shitty government.  For years all we have heard is that the government is terrible.  Maybe deficiencies in the government are a product of a terrible citizenry.  

As for the U.S. being involved with Ukraine affairs, that's for another discussion unrelated to the impeachment process.  In any event Trump was constitutionally obligated to provide financial and military assistance to Ukraine as it was mandated by Congress.  

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17 minutes ago, downzy said:

You don't need to be a politico to know and understand what's going on.  Republicans have lambasted Democrats for rushing the process but there's really not much to it.  The POTUS asked a foreign government to investigate his likely political rival for political gain.  It's a crime to solicit foreign aid for a political campaign.  That's it.  At that point it doesn't matter whether there was bribery, extortion, or "quid pro quo" is present.  The transcript Trump released should be enough.  

At the end of the day citizens of a western developed democracy gets the government they deserve.  If someone can't be bothered to learn the facts, acknowledge the truth, and support upholding the law, they're going to get a shitty government.  For years all we have heard is that the government is terrible.  Maybe deficiencies in the government are a product of a terrible citizenry.  

As for the U.S. being involved with Ukraine affairs, that's for another discussion unrelated to the impeachment process.  In any event Trump was constitutionally obligated to provide financial and military assistance to Ukraine as it was mandated by Congress.  

I'm telling you, I literally don't care one way or the other on the issue at the heart of the matter of this impeachment inquiry. I have big critiques of Trump and the political system in this country, but Ukraine-gate isn't one of them. And I have to assume much of the country is on my wavelength because the needle isn't moving all that much.

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8 minutes ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

I'm telling you, I literally don't care one way or the other on the issue at the heart of the matter of this impeachment inquiry

And that's the problem right there.  

You should care.  The fact that you and millions of others don't is why the current form of governance in America is at serious risk.

9 minutes ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

And I have to assume much of the country is on my wavelength because the needle isn't moving all that much.

Then don't complain when the current and future President leverages American foreign policy for their own political gains.  This is the very thing the founding fathers were worried about and why they included mechanisms to remove a sitting President.  

It really does blow my mind that this isn't a big deal for a significant portions of Americans.  What Trump is being accused of (and did) is way worse than what Nixon was guilty of.  Most would agree that Nixon should have been removed from office had he not stepped down, but for whatever reason, Trump's sins aren't worthy of this drastic measure.  

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Just now, downzy said:

It really does blow my mind that this isn't a big deal for a significant portions of Americans.  What Trump is being accused of (and did) is way worse than what Nixon was guilty of.  Most would agree that Nixon should have been removed from office had he not stepped down, but for whatever reason, Trump's sins aren't worthy of this drastic measure.  

Dude - they're not going to have the Senate votes to remove him. It's pointless.

If they *cared* about the integrity of this country (DNC do not), they would throw their support behind Bernie. 

Liberals would rather have a second Trump term than a Bernie presidency. That's what it boils down to. They would rather see Trump dominate the corpse of Joe Biden than see Socialism advance in any meaningful way.

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1 minute ago, TheSeeker said:

Dude - they're not going to have the Senate votes to remove him. It's pointless.

If they *cared* about the integrity of this country (DNC do not), they would throw their support behind Bernie. 

Liberals would rather have a second Trump term than a Bernie presidency. That's what it boils down to. They would rather see Trump dominate the corpse of Joe Biden than see Socialism advance in any meaningful way.

I don't disagree about having the votes in the Senate.  That's not the point I'm trying to make.  The issue isn't with elected representatives, but the shit state of the American citizenry.

I do heavily disagree with you that liberals would rather have a second term of Trump versus supporting Sanders.  But Sanders has some major problems of his own.  If you fault Trump for not having plans that add up, then you have to be honest and admit that little of what Sanders proposes adds up or has any chance of passing in the House or Senate.  That said, the notion that Democrats or liberals would support a Trump second term over electing Sanders is laughable.  

Btw, Sanders isn't for socialism.  

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20 minutes ago, downzy said:

And that's the problem right there.  

You should care.  The fact that you and millions of others don't is why the current form of governance in America is at serious risk.

Then don't complain when the current and future President leverages American foreign policy for their own political gains.  This is the very thing the founding fathers were worried about and why they included mechanisms to remove a sitting President.  

It really does blow my mind that this isn't a big deal for a significant portions of Americans.  What Trump is being accused of (and did) is way worse than what Nixon was guilty of.  Most would agree that Nixon should have been removed from office had he not stepped down, but for whatever reason, Trump's sins aren't worthy of this drastic measure.  

No. The reason this country's political system is so screwed up is because both parties are funded by a small clique of billionaires that largely agree on the direction of the country, which goes against what the bases of both parties want.

Impeaching Trump does nothing to fight this corruption that has infected both parties and the media. Trump is a symptom, not the cause.

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14 minutes ago, downzy said:

I do heavily disagree with you that liberals would rather have a second term of Trump versus supporting Sanders.

Then why are bipartisan resolutions being drafted with 8-year expirations to protect overreaching government surveillance programs - it's almost like they're locking everything down in preparation for President Sanders

 

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45 minutes ago, TheSeeker said:

Then why are bipartisan resolutions being drafted with 8-year expirations to protect overreaching government surveillance programs - it's almost like they're locking everything down in preparation for President Sanders

 

Uhh, what is the connection here? I'm missing something. 

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Mock him up! Mock him up! Mock him up!

Just saw a Jimmy Kimmel thumbnail reading "mock him up" and it really got me thinking. After Trumps recent meltdown over Zwarte Trudeau's mockery, should we just point and laugh at Trump until he quits?

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2 hours ago, TheSeeker said:

Then why are bipartisan resolutions being drafted with 8-year expirations to protect overreaching government surveillance programs - it's almost like they're locking everything down in preparation for President Sanders

 

What does bipartisan support for certain elements of the surveillance state have anything to do with Sanders progressivism?  You’re making two points that don’t connect. 

Moreover, the current system needs authorization as it is set to expire. National security bills such as they one almost always get set with longer durations. 

The current surveillance systems used to protect Americans generally have wide and bipartisan support. Even if Sanders wins next year and wanted to mothball the program he would find enough resistance in both houses to thwart his efforts. Let’s say the current bill was only set for one or two years. You would almost guarantee a Senate override of Sanders’ veto were he was in a position to block it. 

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This is not even similar to Watergate. Unless Trump ordered the DNC robbed this is no way worse.

 

Teapot Dome(Harding)

Court Packing(FDR)

Japanese Interment(FDR)

Iran Contra (Regan)

Droning American Citizens(Obama)

Lying About WMDs to go to war in Iraq( Bush JR)

War On Drugs(Regan-Now) 

Fast N Furious Gun Running (Obama)   

Watergate(Nixon)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

This is not even similar to Watergate. Unless Trump ordered the DNC robbed this is no way worse.

Teapot Dome(Harding)

Court Packing(FDR)

Japanese Interment(FDR)

Iran Contra (Regan)

Droning American Citizens(Obama)

Lying About WMDs to go to war in Iraq( Bush JR)

War On Drugs(Regan-Now) 

Fast N Furious Gun Running (Obama)   

Watergate(Nixon)

 

Nixon didn't order the break-in of the DNC at Watergate.  He was going to be impeached and removed from office for covering it up and abusing his power as President to do so.

You seem to have a skewed understanding for why Presidents have historically been impeached and what the grounds of impeachment are.  Scandals or mismanagement are not necessarily grounds for impeachment.  

Asking a foreign government to investigate (or give the appearance of an investigation) for political gain strikes at the very heart of abuse of power.  Anyone remotely familiar with why the founders included tools to remove the chief executive knows that this very matter that concerned them the most.  

Again, if this isn't an impeachable offence, nothing is.  At that point the President can do whatever he wants within his four years in office.  Such an understanding fails to understand the Constitution and role of oversight provided to Congress.  

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