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3 hours ago, Padme said:

If working class swing voters in a general election think Sanders is ellite. They won't vote for him. What Sanders and other candidates need to do is to go after Trump's record. Where is the infrastructure? Where are the car and steel industries? Where is Trump healthcare plan?  Where is Trump housing plan? The homeless crisis is the biggest ever. Where is Trump immigration plan? There is no wall yet and probably it won't be. And people keep coming. Realism and pragmatisim are necessary to fix problems. I don't think people felt oppressed during the Obama years. They felt ignored and deserted.

There are no real swing voters anymore; at least not enough true ones that would likely make a difference. 

If 2016 taught us anything it’s that elections are now about turning out your supporters while doing everything you can to suppress the motivations of the other guy or gal’s supporters.

The Democratic nominee doesn’t need to win over or back the people who voted for Trump. They only need to motivate the people who voted in 2008 and 2012 but stayed home in 2016. 

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6 hours ago, downzy said:

There are no real swing voters anymore; at least not enough true ones that would likely make a difference. 

If 2016 taught us anything it’s that elections are now about turning out your supporters while doing everything you can to suppress the motivations of the other guy or gal’s supporters.

The Democratic nominee doesn’t need to win over or back the people who voted for Trump. They only need to motivate the people who voted in 2008 and 2012 but stayed home in 2016. 

 Swing voters here, but it seems Bernie, Liz, Joe, etc don't give a shit.

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So Bloomberg is considering picking Crooked Hillary as his running mate, what do you guys think about this?

I think it was obvious she would come back but it will re-energize Trump's voters more than anything. I also think that if Bloomberg wins, he will step down to let her be POTUS.

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2 hours ago, Silent Jay said:

So Bloomberg is considering picking Crooked Hillary as his running mate, what do you guys think about this?

I think it was obvious she would come back but it will re-energize Trump's voters more than anything. I also think that if Bloomberg wins, he will step down to let her be POTUS.

Bloomberg/Hillary is the opposite of a winning ticket

This goes back to "Liberals would rather have a second Trump term than have Bernie win the presidency"

Bloomberg might as well be saying "Vote Trump" if he added Hillary to his ticket

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5 minutes ago, TheSeeker said:

Bloomberg/Hillary is the opposite of a winning ticket

This goes back to "Liberals would rather have a second Trump term than have Bernie win the presidency"

Bloomberg might as well be saying "Vote Trump" if he added Hillary to his ticket

First of all I would like to know the source of this "information" Second, why would Hilary do this? She lost twice already, first against Obama and then against Trump. Doesn't she understand that people don't like her?

But what I'm more concerned about is candidates who are running now. They won't win in a general election if they only care about college kids issues

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6 hours ago, Silent Jay said:

So Bloomberg is considering picking Crooked Hillary as his running mate, what do you guys think about this?

I think it was obvious she would come back but it will re-energize Trump's voters more than anything. I also think that if Bloomberg wins, he will step down to let her be POTUS.

According to the Drudge Report.

😂 

“By Saturday afternoon, Drudge was linking from his own homepage to the report carried in the Daily Mail citing Drudge’s own as yet unconfirmed scoop.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/15/michael-bloomberg-hillary-clinton-vp-115407

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A good reminder that the debates over policy in the democrat primaries are a waste of time. The only real concern at this point should be who will beat Trump. None of them will pass their policy agendas through the Senate. Arguing about Medicare for All is a moot point. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/14/democrats-are-wasting-time-fighting-over-policies-senate-will-never-pass/

4 hours ago, TheSeeker said:

This goes back to "Liberals would rather have a second Trump term than have Bernie win the presidency"

More nonsense from you.  Man alive  

Find me one liberal who would vote for Trump over Sanders. 

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I trust we will uphold this threads proud tradition wherein people don't watch the Michael Brooks Show clip I post, but never-the-less 'correct' me on claims that were NOT made in the video. :P:lol:

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Even if there was some truth to it, i don't think Hillary would be interested in a VP spot.

I'm still troubled by the steam Bloomberg is gaining and lack of push back to his candidacy.

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1 hour ago, -W.A.R- said:

 

I'm still troubled by the steam Bloomberg is gaining and lack of push back to his candidacy.

I think most candidates are more concerned about Sanders since he’s the clear front runner at this point and will likely do well in the two biggest primaries on Super Tuesday, Texas and California. 

Bloomberg has had a terrible 48 hours. The revelations over his troubling history with sexual harassment and tone-deafness about minorities, unions, and civil libertarians will likely tank his nomination.  I would suspect a full on and concerted assault by his competitors at the next debate. The man has serious vulnerabilities that might be moot against a candidate like Trump but make his path to the nomination all but impossible.

Let’s hope he lives up to his word that he’ll support the eventual nominee, regardless of who it is, to the tune of a billion dollars.  It will be interesting to see how Sanders would handle the influx of Bloomberg money into supporting him since he enjoyed deriding Buttigieg and Biden for their support from billionaires. 

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It's so interesting to hear those running on the democratic side speak of how they are going to fix the country, fight for the American people and improve the economy. I don't believe any of them could even come close to what Trump has already done for America. From a homosexual, to a socialist to the most moderate (Biden) already falling out of the race. From what I see, the Dems have very little chance of winning anything, let alone the Presidency.

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34 minutes ago, 31illusions said:

It's so interesting to hear those running on the democratic side speak of how they are going to fix the country, fight for the American people and improve the economy. I don't believe any of them could even come close to what Trump has already done for America. From a homosexual, to a socialist to the most moderate (Biden) already falling out of the race. From what I see, the Dems have very little chance of winning anything, let alone the Presidency.

And yet current polling shows the socialist, the homosexual, and the most moderate beating Trump in a current head to head match up.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, downzy said:

And yet current polling shows the socialist, the homosexual, and the most moderate beating Trump in a current head to head match up.

That's what is so weird. Buttigeig should have been last in the caucus and Biden first. But it totally flipped. The reports were Biden was in the lead, then he flops in the caucus. Very strange. Trump is up 90 percent support amongst republicans. It's pretty much a slam dunk.

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39 minutes ago, 31illusions said:

That's what is so weird. Buttigeig should have been last in the caucus and Biden first. But it totally flipped. The reports were Biden was in the lead, then he flops in the caucus. Very strange. Trump is up 90 percent support amongst republicans. It's pretty much a slam dunk.

None of the polls showed Biden winning Iowa nor Buttigieg coming in last. 

You’re not well informed. 

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3 hours ago, downzy said:

And yet current polling shows the socialist, the homosexual, and the most moderate beating Trump in a current head to head match up.

 

 

Every single poll in 16 had Hitlery winning by a landslide.

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On 2/15/2020 at 11:47 AM, Padme said:

Try this

 

How could you claim Bernie doesn't care about this issue though, that's what was confusing to me. He is one of the few who probably does care about the working class.

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13 hours ago, AxlisOld said:

Every single poll in 16 had Hitlery winning by a landslide.

Through most of the summer and just prior to the election national polls showed Clinton with a 2-5 percent lead (with the exception of the Access Hollywood tape leak). She ended up with a three percent lead in the popular vote. 

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23 hours ago, downzy said:

None of the polls showed Biden winning Iowa nor Buttigieg coming in last. 

You’re not well informed. 

No, No, No National polls had Biden in the lead, buttigeig near last. In the Last 2 caucus Biden dropped to around 4th. The gay dude came in 1st and 2nd. Biden is a washing out. It's Bernie all the way now.

I'm not well informed? Perhaps, I don't follow Democrat polls because I do not support them and I don't follow polls much in general because they lie. See below. I'd love to remind you how the polls show all 3 men over Trump when Trump wins again in November. I'll save your post just in case.

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Every single poll in 16 had Hitlery winning by a landslide.

He hates it when 2016 polls are brought up. That's why he never acknowledges it. Popular vote means nothing and he knows it.

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4 hours ago, 31illusions said:

No, No, No National polls had Biden in the lead, buttigeig near last. In the Last 2 caucus Biden dropped to around 4th. The gay dude came in 1st and 2nd. Biden is a washing out. It's Bernie all the way now.

I'm not well informed? Perhaps, I don't follow Democrat polls because I do not support them and I don't follow polls much in general because they lie. See below. I'd love to remind you how the polls show all 3 men over Trump when Trump wins again in November. I'll save your post just in case.

He hates it when 2016 polls are brought up. That's why he never acknowledges it. Popular vote means nothing and he knows it.


It is quite apparent you do speak without having the slightest clue on anything relating to politics.

No Iowa poll two weeks leading into the debate showed Biden winning and Buttigieg coming in last.  Again, the polling was largely accurate, with Buttigieg doing slightly better than the polls suggested and Biden doing worse.  But none of the polls were far off to call them inaccurate.

The polls in 2016, save for Ohio, weren’t wrong. The national polls were almost dead on. A few state polls showed a slight Clinton lead, but well within the margin of error. 

These are facts. I realize they are largely unrecognizable to Trump supporters but it’s always important to at least try to respond with information that’s accurate and not peddled by your dear leader. 

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