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Implying Medicare for All would pass in the Congress. It won't. However, the compromise that Bernie could force would improve the current system that is broken.

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11 hours ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

Implying Medicare for All would pass in the Congress. It won't. However, the compromise that Bernie could force would improve the current system that is broken.

This is what I've been saying since Bernie's first campaign. I'm all for Bernie, but I'm also realistic that if he even passed 20% of his policies it'd be a miracle, especially if Mitch is still around by then. But hell, that 20% would still be a huge leap forward, and it's all about compromise.

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42 minutes ago, chevelle said:

This is what I've been saying since Bernie's first campaign. I'm all for Bernie, but I'm also realistic that if he even passed 20% of his policies it'd be a miracle, especially if Mitch is still around by then. But hell, that 20% would still be a huge leap forward, and it's all about compromise.

If Obama, a mild-mannered centrist, couldn't pass anything in a Republican controlled Senate, I'm not sure why Sanders supporters thinks he'll be able to pass the smallest agenda item if Democrats don't control the Senate.

And this is the problem with Sanders.  Even if he somehow defies the odds and wins the Presidency, it's likely he'll hurt down ballet candidates who would have to defend his policies in purple of red states and districts.  I can see a very real situation where Democrats lose the house and deepen their disadvantage in the Senate with Sanders on the ticket, whether he wins or loses.  

12 hours ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

Implying Medicare for All would pass in the Congress. It won't. However, the compromise that Bernie could force would improve the current system that is broken.

I agree.  It will never pass until the entire system crashes.

The best Democrats can hope for is a public option too Obamacare.  At least this way insurance companies are forced into a position where they're competing against an entity (the federal government) that doesn't really care about losing money.

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In any event, the polling on Sanders as a socialist or democratic socialist is atrocious:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/socialism-bernie-sanders-independents-general-election.html?via=taps_top

I'll be more than happy to be wrong, but I still think Trump has a much easier time winning re-election with Sanders as his opponent.  Democrats may love or might not take issue with a self-prescribed "socialist" at the top of the ticket, but Democrats don't make up half the country.  

The majority of Americans don't want a socialist or a democratic-socialist to be their next President, as it stands now.

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If your number one priority is removing Trump from office, then what you want is for a strong Biden or Bloomberg to win the nomination (I might include Warren, but she's out of the race). We don't have a strong Biden, and Bloomberg proved to be one of the most pathetically uncharismatic candidates to ever grace a debate stage. If in the coming weeks, Biden seems to have woken up, stop saying stupid shit all the time, stop angrily yelling at citizens at speaking events, then maybe I'd throw my support behind him. In the meantime, we might as well just do what GOP voters did in 2016 and go with the radical firebrand and hope that the rest of Democratic voters follow him in the general election. The reason for believing this might happen is that they hate Trump more than they are uneasy about Bernie.

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1 hour ago, Jakey Styley said:

If in the coming weeks, Biden seems to have woken up, stop saying stupid shit all the time, stop angrily yelling at citizens at speaking events, then maybe I'd throw my support behind him. 

He's done

 

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49 minutes ago, TheSeeker said:

He's done

 

jesus christ, i have a lot of money on Biden in the next couple weeks on PredictIt :facepalm:

 

I still think he'll win South Carolina and then this becomes a different race. The deep south is still Biden's to win. Trump proved gaffes don't matter much at all.

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Sanders and Biden are both almost 80. That's just ridiculous. I don't get how either of them could get the nomination. They've had their time. Move over and let someone 30 or 40 years younger do it.

It's sad that the US president seems to have to be someone that old, as Trump is in his 70s too.

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Is it humanly possible to get worse than this? :lol:

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12 hours ago, downzy said:

If Obama, a mild-mannered centrist, couldn't pass anything in a Republican controlled Senate, I'm not sure why Sanders supporters thinks he'll be able to pass the smallest agenda item if Democrats don't control the Senate.

And this is the problem with Sanders.  Even if he somehow defies the odds and wins the Presidency, it's likely he'll hurt down ballet candidates who would have to defend his policies in purple of red states and districts.  I can see a very real situation where Democrats lose the house and deepen their disadvantage in the Senate with Sanders on the ticket, whether he wins or loses.  

No I hear ya, that's true. He's going to have a hell of a time passing anything. However, what the genuine left would like to see, is a Democratic President who doesn't fill his cabinet with establishment and wall-street insiders like Obama did. They want someone who fills their cabinet with people who have been fighting for working class people. At least Bernie wouldn't throw the fight, like Obama seemed to do.

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My heart is breaking as I watch the videos out of India. Of the brutal attacks on Muslims in Delhi amid escalating tensions and violence.

Yesterday Modi hosted Trump for a "Namaste Trump" rally. Trump heaped praise on him. Also yesterday in Delhi, mobs of both law enforcement and citizens beat muslims bloody and dragged them through the streets.

Im not comfortable spreading those images, but one can easily find them. Or the police clubbing already beaten, barely conscious, muslims and forcing them to sing the national anthem. I didnt believe that one was even real at first - its too obscene to be real I thought.

But heres an article on the Tump/Modi bromance,

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trump-heaps-praise-india-s-modi-packed-stadium-n1141471

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2 hours ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

No I hear ya, that's true. He's going to have a hell of a time passing anything. However, what the genuine left would like to see, is a Democratic President who doesn't fill his cabinet with establishment and wall-street insiders like Obama did. They want someone who fills their cabinet with people who have been fighting for working class people. At least Bernie wouldn't throw the fight, like Obama seemed to do.

Throw the fight?  I think you might want to revisit the divisions within the Democratic party during the time Obamacare was being debated in the Senate. There were several Senators from red states that were adamant against a public option. It had nothing to do with Obama “throwing the fight” or filling his cabinet with wall street insiders. 

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20 minutes ago, downzy said:

Throw the fight?  I think you might want to revisit the divisions within the Democratic party during the time Obamacare was being debated in the Senate. There were several Senators from red states that were adamant against a public option. It had nothing to do with Obama “throwing the fight” or filling his cabinet with wall street insiders. 

Well he did fill his cabinet with wall street insiders. He literally did that right away, with a mandate to do the opposite.

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1 hour ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

Well he did fill his cabinet with wall street insiders. He literally did that right away, with a mandate to do the opposite.

Fill?  Let's not exaggerate:

https://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/obama-white-house-full-of-wall-street-executives/

Keep in mind that Obama walked into the job with one of the biggest financial crashes in nearly a century.  It's no surprise he might turn to a few (and by a few, I mean maybe 7 to 10 people) who might have expertise and insight into the problems and how to fix them.

 

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I guess it's open season on Mexicans for U.S. authorities so long as the shooting happens from American soil and the Mexican dies in Mexico.

Tragic...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/02/25/cross-border-shooting-supreme-court-clears-border-patrol/4860246002/

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18 hours ago, Lio said:

Sanders and Biden are both almost 80. That's just ridiculous. I don't get how either of them could get the nomination. They've had their time. Move over and let someone 30 or 40 years younger do it.

It's sad that the US president seems to have to be someone that old, as Trump is in his 70s too.

Bernie is extremely popular with the 17 to 35 crowd. 

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4 hours ago, Georgy Zhukov said:

Bernie is extremely popular with the 17 to 35 crowd. 

Yeah, and I think that's sad. The future depending on someone who's almost 80? Sounds very ironic.

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6 hours ago, Georgy Zhukov said:

Bernie is extremely popular with the 17 to 35 crowd. 

But most of them don't vote. That's the problem.

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6 hours ago, Padme said:

But most of them don't vote. That's the problem.

One could talk about how each voting cycle is unique. Or point out that people have felt/been disenfranchised and not liked any candidates before Bernie. But Id point to the numbers in Nevada. Bernie scored highest with every age group under 65. Meaning he won with 45-64 with healthy margins. Like, he dominated. When it's broken down as "45 and older" Biden had a paltry 2 point lead over Bernie.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/state/nevada

And since Im posting the numbers. I'll add that Bernie also dominated with union households. This flies in the face of the media narrative going into Nevada. It destroys the narrative that unionized workers dont support M4A (34%, double digits over Biden, my goodness!)

Ive noticed since Nevada, where these two above narratives were brought into question, we see the narrative immediately switch to red baiting. Both sides are pushing it too :facepalm: 

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1 hour ago, TheSeeker said:

 

Ughh....

He said a lot more than that.  

Any proclamations that ABC suspended him because he advocated for a universal health insurance; reigning corporations, and cutting down on billionaires is absurd. 

What got him suspended was criticizing ABC for using their news platforms for promoting Disney products.  

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