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1 minute ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

Anyway, I don't ever wish anyone to die, bad karma, but I get what you're saying.

Not even this fucker?

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Just now, Dazey said:

Not even this fucker?

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I know he's a douche, but since eventually we're all going to die, it'll happen one day. For now, I would just like to have a new President come November so the Trump family can go back to their other jobs.

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3 minutes ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

I know he's a douche, but since eventually we're all going to die, it'll happen one day. 

Yeah but in some cases it could happen sooner and preferably in a threshing machine. :lol: 

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1 minute ago, Dazey said:

Yeah but in some cases it could happen sooner and preferably in a threshing machine. :lol: 

lol you're so evil! I like it!

Stay well and wear a mask!

I loved how SNL would make fun of the two Trump sons. They were spot on!

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4 minutes ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

lol you're so evil! I like it!

Stay well and wear a mask!

I loved how SNL would make fun of the two Trump sons. They were spot on!

I hear they've both got a new reality show. :lol: 

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But seriously. :lol: 

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10 hours ago, downzy said:

The confidence of Trump supporters is astounding. You may very well be right, but every indication at this point indicates a staggering loss for Trump.

No way. There is no enthusiasm behind Joe Biden because he's not the candidate dems want to vote for.

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The enthusiasm gap is going to kill the dems in November.

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8 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

Why do they hate America?

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Well, this Times piece you just posted here states facts that dont really do much to attract love to Murica. One thinks there is a conversation to be had about how stating facts isnt really "Hate."

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1 hour ago, Silent Jay said:

No way. There is no enthusiasm behind Joe Biden because he's not the candidate dems want to vote for.

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The enthusiasm gap is going to kill the dems in November.

That's assuming that love for Trump by the 35-40 percent of Americans is equal to the hate for Trump by the 50+ percent of Americans who have had enough.

Your numbers are not relative to absolute numbers of people who approve or disapprove of Trump's job performance.  

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39 minutes ago, Silent Jay said:

Why do they hate America?

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They hate the elements of America that promotes a conman like Trump who has now moved from blaming immigrants and other countries for what ails America to Americans themselves.

In 2016 the problem was Mexicans and China 

In 2020 the problem is the "radical liberal left."

What a travesty of man Trump is for pitting Americans versus Americans for his own personal gain.

Again, it's as though no Trump supporter ever finished the book Animal Farm.

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While I disagree with the author's conclusion that toxic masculinity is on the wane, I do agree that this dynamic is what drives the current support for Trump:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/america-is-done-with-trump-and-stupid-cruel-tough-guy-acts?ref=home

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Throughout Barack Obama’s presidency, a common complaint was that he wasn’t being “tough” enough. Not tough enough on foreign policy, on ISIS, on Russia, not tough enough on the Republicans who were stonewalling his agenda in Washington. What those people thought they wanted was a president who would get in there and knock some skulls together, like Harrison Ford fist-fighting at 30,000 feet in Air Force One or Macho Man Randy Savage breaking the fourth wall to proclaim that his opponent will be lucky to escape with his life, much less the championship belt. (Donald Trump, by the way, was on hand to witness Savage man up and claim the WWF’s fictitious belt). We wanted yelling and podium pounding and action movie one-liners. We’re America, goddamn it! Give me toxicity or give me death!

But Trump has proven that having an actual belligerent “tough guy” president sucks. We’re knotted up in a dozen unprecedented crises, and the people who are supposed to be managing them are too focused on making the president feel like he’s doing a good job to actually solve the problems that are supposed to be solved. We can’t post-match monologue our way out of this. We can’t knock out a pandemic with a folding chair.

It wasn’t long ago that domineering masculinity was something mainstream American culture lauded, but as Trump’s failures mount, and as his acolytes and bootlickers follow their god-king’s example, there’s never been a time when self-described manly men have looked more ridiculous. 

When protests rocked cities around the world following the death of George Floyd, Trump didn’t do the brave thing, which would have been standing up to law enforcement and pushing for effective reforms, or meeting with organizers behind the movement in an attempt to find common ground. Instead, he threatened to declare martial law, promised to send troops to various cities and states to get the protests under control, and took an awkward photo. 

So broken is his brain, and the brains of everybody around him, that it was agreed that the president would look tough if he had a militarized police force tear-gas and rough up unarmed peaceful protesters in a public space so that he could walk through a park and stand next to a church holding up a Bible like it was a birthday gift he didn’t particularly want. Former Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker practically creamed his Dockers over an ensuing shot of the frowning president walking resolutely toward the church. The only other people who fell for the stunt are conservative B-listers who are nakedly trying to get jobs in the White House, or at least Cameo. Trump looked like a fool, and everybody who wasn’t angry with him was laughing at him. 

During the demonstrations, police, knowing every single protester had a recording device in their hands, resorted to cartoonish violence anyway, operating under the misapprehension that the America of today respects that kind of domineering violent behavior rather than finding it disgusting. Police officers lied about drinking poison milkshakes; they lied about finding a tampon in another frozen beverage (a tampon that, by the way, looked nothing like a tampon. It’s important to know what a tampon looks like before accusing something of being a tampon, because being an adult who doesn’t know what a tampon looks like is embarrassing!). Over the course of the protests, police showed what Black Lives Matter and other organizations had been saying for years—the police are instigators who are out to protect themselves and not the public they’ve allegedly sworn to serve. During those weeks, nobody built the case for defunding the police better than the police. 

President Trump won’t wear a mask, because he thinks it makes him look weak. Actually, not wearing one makes him look like a stupid asshole, and the stupid is contagious. Travel to Arizona, to California, to Florida, to Wisconsin, to any place with a pocket of Trump Ride Or Dies and you’ll find stupid assholes in the wild, masklessly coughing in the soft drink aisle, mouth-breathing all over the Hostess displays, chasing a shot of Fireball with some COVID at a Jacksonville bar. Mask-averse men are literally rejecting good hygiene practices in order to preserve their sense of manliness. To quote Twitter user dril, “Wiping your ass is now politics.” 

Men’s reluctance to wear masks in public spaces during a pandemic reminds me of an article I read about the marketing of Trojan Magnum condoms. Magnums, for the uninitiated, are advertised like they’re for more well-endowed men. Thing is, they aren’t actually bigger than standard sized condoms; it’s just that the only way to get a certain type of man to wear a condom is if the condom tells him that his dick is abnormally large as he’s buying it. Maybe more men would wear face masks if the masks faked orgasms as soon as the men put them on. 

The stupid doesn’t end there. The other week, Senator Ted Cruz challenged actor Ron Perlman to fight sentient kettlebell Jim Jordan over Twitter. One man challenged another man to fight a third man, using a social networking service that didn’t even require man No. 1 to speak directly to any other parties involved. It was a masterpiece of boy dick-waving, a case study that I hope future college students discuss as the moment we decided to replace whatever this type of masculinity is with something else. 

Even Joe Biden’s occasional put-em-up act has elicited eye rolls. Nobody wants a president who will challenge some other old guy to a fistfight behind a Denny’s. We want a competent human being who is in control of his or her emotions enough that they won’t be driven mad settling petty grievances. 

One of the mainstays of Trump’s presidency has been repeated threats to respond to problems by acting like a stupid cruel tough guy, threats that everybody forgets about after a few days, because he’s moved on to threatening to do another stupid cruel tough guy thing. He was going to “open up” the libel laws (somehow) and show the lying press the old one-two, or something, until he didn’t, and then he was going to send troops to American cities to attack American citizens protesting police brutality, possibly with “vicious dogs,” until he didn’t. He’s threatened to attack North Korea (until he didn’t), to send John Bolton to jail for publishing a book that makes Trump sound like a moron, to completely sever ties from China, to tariff the shit out of foreign products, to go after social media companies because there’s talk that some of them might force him to follow the same rules all of the other users have to follow. I’m not complaining about Trump’s lack of follow-through, although it would be kind of a plot twist if Bolton ended up in jail for something besides a war crime.

The sound and fury of Trump’s empty threats reminds me of hate mail I used to get when I wrote for a feminist website. Some of the messages from displeased male readers would spell out vaguely threatening things that probably made their author feel pretty tough when he typed them. But I never did open the door of my apartment to find a man from Kansas standing there trying to use his right to bear arms to interfere with my right to free speech. Never once on a run through the park did an unhinged cop from Montana accost me and see how brave I’d be to his face. After a few years of empty threats like this it occurred to me that these guys were definitely brave enough to practice tough guy lines in the bathroom mirror, but not brave enough to take the subway. 

As stubborn older American men cling to the belief that their brand of Fuck You masculinity isn’t a ridiculous failure, despite all evidence to the contrary, voters like the ones who delivered Democrats the House in 2018—young people, people of color, college-educated suburban women who finally decided they’d had it—continue to expand their Get This Guy The Hell Out Of Here coalition. And provided we can make it to November without the president bombing something for attention, what we’re experiencing now may be ridiculous toxic masculinity’s death knell. 

As much as I disagree with @Basic_GnR_Fan on most policy issues, at least he sees Trump for what he is: a fraud.  The only reason to still vote for Trump is espoused by @AxlisOld earlier today: a big fuck you to people you disagree with.  There is zero reason to support a man who has continually failed to achieve the objectives he laid out in 2016 other than to stick it to fellow citizens who you disagree with.  It's politics at its most cynical.  It is politics of resentment and contempt.  Essentially Trump supporters are willing to bulldoze the country for the sake of a conman and thus to deprive the other team a win.  What a sad and pathetic lot.  

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And there are more...

 

Happy birthday Dijon and and Happy 4th of July :lol:

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I think this may be more widespread in Florida than they think. :lol: 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/04/us/naegleria-fowleri-case-florida-trnd/index.html

A rare case of brain-destroying amoeba has been confirmed in Florida

By Leah Asmelash, CNN

Updated 2200 GMT (0600 HKT) July 4, 2020

(CNN)A case of a rare, brain-destroying amoeba has been confirmed in Florida.

The Florida Department of Health on Friday announced the confirmed case of Naegleria fowleri -- a microscopic single-celled amoeba that can infect and destroy the brain. It's usually fatal, the DOH said.

Since 1962, there have only been 37 reported cases of the amoeba in Florida. This one was found in Hillsborough County, though the DOH did not give any further details.

Naegleria fowleri is typically found in warm freshwater like lakes, rivers and ponds. The DOH has cautioned people who swim in those freshwater sources to be aware of the amoeba's possible presence, particularly when the water is warm.

"Adverse health effects on humans can be prevented by avoiding nasal contact with the waters, since the amoeba enters through nasal passages," the DOH said.

The DOH recommended people avoid bodies of warm freshwater around power plants and shallow fresh water during periods of high water temperature. They should pinch their nose when playing in warm freshwater.

The DOH also noted that you could possibly be exposed to the amoeba through a neti pot when rinsing congested sinuses.

"Use only boiled and cooled, distilled, or sterile water for making sinus rinse solutions for neti pots or performing ritual ablutions," it said.

In the US, there have been 143 known infected cases of the amoeba, according to the Florida DOH. Only four have survived.

 

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Senator Joni Ernst of Iowa, who described Obama’s leadership during the Ebola outbreak in 2014 (that infect 11 people and killed two in the US) as a failure, continues to heap praise on the Trump administration’s response to a pandemic that has killed over 130k. 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-senator-joni-ernst-says-obama-failed-on-ebola-but-trumps-stepped-up-with-covid-19?ref=home

It would be funny if she wasn’t a United States senator.  What a pathetic person belonging to a pathetic party. 

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On 2020-07-04 at 6:00 AM, downzy said:

The confidence of Trump supporters is astounding. You may very well be right, but every indication at this point indicates a staggering loss for Trump.

Moreover, should Trump win in November it will finally reveal how backward a country the US has become. The rest of the world will move on and put the US in its rearview. 

 

Media trying to assure people that Trump will lose, and Democrats don't have a candidate they actually like. What could go wrong?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if America gives Trump a second term. :shrugs:

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2 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

Media trying to assure people that Trump will lose, and Democrats don't have a candidate they actually like. What could go wrong?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if America gives Trump a second term. :shrugs:

I know it seems America always votes for the same man for two terms.  I just wish this time around America changes this pattern, but I'm worried that Biden won't be able to handle the pressure of being President. I'm hoping he picks a good VP candidate, but if it's one of the women he was arguing with, how do we know they can work together?

As for the Presidents that owned slaves, which was so wrong, but that was the time. All these men came from Europe where all the white people had slaves. Why is it that America gets all the shit talking and Europe never does? 

The whole slave trade was horrible and not sure exactly when it started, but it didn't begin with America. I feel America is more wrong for what was done to the Native Americans. They were killed off and almost made to vanish all together. 

I'm so glad that in the Black lives matter movement Native Americans are being added to this list because after all they have endured they need to be represented too.

America needs to make big changes, but it'll take a long time to do this. I only hope my child grows up in a better place and people become more respective of each other.

The whole world's history is full of terrible things and it still needs to be told to each generation that comes along and hope changes can be made in all countries.

13 hours ago, Padme said:

And there are more...

 

Happy birthday Dijon and and Happy 4th of July :lol:

What a cute kitty! Love that face! Cats are amazing animals and have such great instincts. Too bad they couldn't vote!

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13 minutes ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

What a cute kitty! Love that face! Cats are amazing animals and have such great instincts. Too bad they couldn't vote!

I wouldnt be the least bit surprised if Trump accused Axl Roses' cat of voter fraud :lol:

But yeah, my heart melted when I saw that picture of Dijon.

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11 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

Media trying to assure people that Trump will lose, and Democrats don't have a candidate they actually like. What could go wrong?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if America gives Trump a second term. :shrugs:

Yeah, I won't contest the notion that Trump can still win.  One issue with Biden showing such staggering poll leads is it might make many to assume that the election result is a foregone conclusion like many, myself included, believed in 2016.  

But I do think this time it will be different for a couple of reasons.  

First, Trump actually has a record to defend this time.  And it's not a record any objective person could find much to defend.  It was easier in 2016 when he could promise the moon.  But after four years of failing on most of his campaign promises and presiding over a nation that is being torn apart by both a pandemic he failed to prepare for and racial tensions he has done nothing to extinguish, it's going to be difficult for anyone who doesn't have a MAGA hat superglued to their heads to take him seriously going forward.

Second, Biden is doing significantly better with seniors than Clinton was at this point of the race.  It's been interesting to hear how Trump's campaign ads that accuse Biden of being senile because of his old age are backfiring in places like Florida, that has an older population and may not appreciate the association of age and senility.  Biden is a much harder person for Trump to negatively define than Clinton was.  Google results show Trump's efforts to tar Biden are not having the same effect as they did against Clinton.  In 2016 Trump crushed Clinton with voters who didn't like either; this year it's Biden who is doing significantly better with these voters, even better than Trump did in 2016.  

Third, I don't think as many people will trust the polls and will be more determined to actually vote.  Trump benefited from many would-be Clinton voters staying home since many assumed it was in the bag for Clinton and didn't want to bother waiting in line for hours to vote for a candidate they didn't like.  The prospect of a "businessman" becoming President did not seem like a bad bet should Trump win.  Those dynamics are gone for this year.  

Finally, the map has expanded for Biden and conversely shrunk for Trump.  In 2016 Trump made plays for Virginia, Colorado and Nevada.  I seriously doubt he's going to even bother to compete in any of those states. The fact that his campaign is spending money in Texas is really revealing since little to no money was allocated to defending this state in 2016.  Biden has a wider path to victory.  He can lose Wisconsin and make it up with Arizona.  He could lose Pennsylvania and take Florida.  North Carolina seems in play dissimilar to what we saw in 2016.  

Again, timing will be key.  Had the 2016 election happened three weeks earlier Clinton would have likely won since her poll numbers started crashing after the Comey announcement at the end of October.  Perhaps an October or November surprise will upend everything and suppress Biden voters.  We'll have to see.  It would be a mistake to assume that Trump is out of it.  But based on everything happening and the fact that the US is likely to be in worse shape both in terms of the pandemic and its economy as we get closer to the election, I really think Trump's chances of winning are slimmer this time around than last time. 

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19 hours ago, downzy said:

Senator Joni Ernst of Iowa, who described Obama’s leadership during the Ebola outbreak in 2014 (that infect 11 people and killed two in the US) as a failure, continues to heap praise on the Trump administration’s response to a pandemic that has killed over 130k. 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-senator-joni-ernst-says-obama-failed-on-ebola-but-trumps-stepped-up-with-covid-19?ref=home

It would be funny if she wasn’t a United States senator.  What a pathetic person belonging to a pathetic party. 

It is things like this makes me feel that Republicans deserve to lose the election a lot more than Trump does.

17 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

Media trying to assure people that Trump will lose, and Democrats don't have a candidate they actually like. What could go wrong?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if America gives Trump a second term. :shrugs:

 Is Biden an ideal candidate? Probably no, but looking at the alternative, I don't think Democrats and independent/swing voters are going to stay at home on election day. I doubt they would make the same mistake twice. 

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It amazes me that Trump supporters get riled up about the “threats” from antifa or the “radical left” but will attend an indoor close-quartered rally without wearing a mask during the height of a pandemic.

Talk about a total lack of threat assessment.  

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31 minutes ago, downzy said:

It amazes me that Trump supporters get riled up about the “threats” from antifa or the “radical left” but will attend an indoor close-quartered rally without wearing a mask during the height of a pandemic.

Talk about a total inability to gauge threats properly. 

It amazes me that those on the left don't denounce flag burnings, lawlessness, or mass protests that could spread the virus.  It amazes me that the democratic mayor of Seattle let CHAZ do as they pleased until they were going to take over her property. 

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On behalf of all leftism Id like to denounce flag burnings as a waste of time. Burn something that matters!

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6 minutes ago, Swampfox said:

It amazes me that those on the left don't denounce flag burnings, lawlessness, or mass protests that could spread the virus.  It amazes me that the democratic mayor of Seattle let CHAZ do as they pleased until they were going to take over her property. 

There is obviously hypocrisy on both sides. I don't agree about flag burning, that doesn't offend me and it's protected speech anyway.

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