Popular Post Amir Posted September 6, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2015 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted September 6, 2015 Author Share Posted September 6, 2015 As I said earlier, I think he's leagues above the state he was in in the early 2000's. He obviously doesn't move around the stage as much as back in the day, but he gets around a good bit. Definitely better than 10+ years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 As I said earlier, I think he's leagues above the state he was in in the early 2000's. He obviously doesn't move around the stage as much as back in the day, but he gets around a good bit. Definitely better than 10+ years ago.I disagree - he was a lot more active when I saw them in 2005 than when I saw them last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted September 6, 2015 Author Share Posted September 6, 2015 Well I'm thinking more early 2000's (re: Ozzfest Camden 2003). Sure, there's a difference between now and 2005, but I'm just saying I don't think he's nearly as bad as people make him out to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Drama Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1wkfJY3AZMGolden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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James Bond Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 I'm not sure if I want to do Hamilton or not. I've never seen Ozzy or any incarnation of Sabbath live so that'd knock both of the list, but all the same I'm not enough of a die hard Sabbath fan to deal with Ozzy sounding pretty awful these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted September 6, 2015 Author Share Posted September 6, 2015 http://loudwire.com/tony-iommi-final-black-sabbath-tour-cant-do-this-anymore/There you have it. A one off gig here and there maybe, but tour-wise, this is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Broue Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 tbh: this durmmer is better than Bill Ward now, or Tommy ClufetosThey should hire him for the END tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share Posted September 8, 2015 Tommy Clufetos is great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Tommy Clufetos is great.I think he did a great job on Alice Cooper's Dirty Diamonds album- very authentic 70's sound to that one (bar a few songs).Not terribly impressed with him in Ozzy's band or Sabbath though, he's no Bill Ward/Lee Kerslake/Deen Castronovo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share Posted September 8, 2015 Tommy Clufetos is great.I think he did a great job on Alice Cooper's Dirty Diamonds album- very authentic 70's sound to that one (bar a few songs).Not terribly impressed with him in Ozzy's band or Sabbath though, he's no Bill Ward/Lee Kerslake/Deen Castronovo.Randy Castillo is probably my favorite Ozzy drummer. I like Tommy more for Ozzy's band but I think he's been good with Sabbath as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Tommy Clufetos is great.I think he did a great job on Alice Cooper's Dirty Diamonds album- very authentic 70's sound to that one (bar a few songs).Not terribly impressed with him in Ozzy's band or Sabbath though, he's no Bill Ward/Lee Kerslake/Deen Castronovo.Randy Castillo is probably my favorite Ozzy drummer. I like Tommy more for Ozzy's band but I think he's been good with Sabbath as well.I absolutely love Castillos drumming. Such a terrible loss to music night when he passed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Broue Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Tommy Clufetos is great.yeah, but he lacks the Sabbath "feel" and his drum sounds totally differentI enjoyed his drumming when i see the Sabs on 13 tour, but he is not THAT great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Dog Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) son how you not gonna actually post the datesJanuary 20 - Omaha, NE @ CenturyLink Center January 22 - Chicago, IL @ United CenterJanuary 25 - Minneapolis, MN @ Target CenterJanuary 28 - Saskatoon, SK @ Sasktel CentreJanuary 30 - Edmonton, AB @ Rexall CentreFebruary 1 - Calgary, ON @ Scotiabank SaddledomeFebruary 3 - Vancouver, BC @ Rogers ArenaFebruary 6 - Tacoma, WA @ Tacoma DomeFebruary 9 - San Jose, CA @ SAP CenterFebruary 11 - Los Angeles, CA @ The ForumFebruary 13 - Las Vegas, NV @ Mandalay Bay Events CenterFebruary 15 - Denver, CO @ Pepsi CenterFebruary 17 - Kansas City, MO @ Sprint CenterFebruary 19 - Detroit, MI @ The Palace of Auburn HillsFebruary 21 - Hamilton, ON @ FirstOntario CentreFebruary 23 - Montreal, QB @ Bell CentreFebruary 25 - New York City, NY @ Madison Square GardenBut fine, don't come to the south, never wanted to see Sabbath anyways That's a pretty weak schedule. Glad I already got to see them. I'd like to Iommi again though. He swears this is it for him. Edited September 8, 2015 by J Dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Tommy Clufetos is great.I think he did a great job on Alice Cooper's Dirty Diamonds album- very authentic 70's sound to that one (bar a few songs).Not terribly impressed with him in Ozzy's band or Sabbath though, he's no Bill Ward/Lee Kerslake/Deen Castronovo.Randy Castillo is probably my favorite Ozzy drummer. I like Tommy more for Ozzy's band but I think he's been good with Sabbath as well.Ha, while he was by no means a lousy drummer I think Kerslake, Aldridge and Castronovo were streets ahead of Randy Castillo...his Live and Loud drum solo for example is pretty lousy and not a big fan of his drum sound either.Lee Kerslake was an absolute monster, Aldridge's feet are second to none and Deen Castronovo on Ozzmosis is absolutely wonderful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 Somehow couldn't pull up ONE Ultimate VIP Experience package in the "presale". Really hope they didn't have all of them out in the presale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 Fuck it. Going to Hamilton. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axlslash Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I can't justify paying to see these guys with the way they're treating Bill. I desperately want to see Oz and Tony together before one of the croaks, but I can't in good conscience fork over this kind of cash to see them while that's going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Fuck it. Going to Hamilton.Let me guess... You managed to pull one up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 Fuck it. Going to Hamilton.Let me guess... You managed to pull one up there. Yup MSG presale must have sold out like immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Plus dat exchange rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sabbath Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share Posted September 9, 2015 Anyone been to that venue for a seated show and have any idea how the seats are laid out? The "Choose my Seat" thing on ticketmaster has the first few rows laid out weird, and I want to know of seat 17 or 24 will be more towards the center. Hard to tell with how it looks currently...Edit: Never mind, I'm just going to stick with my seat 17. If I'm not more towards the middle, it seems like I'll be kind of between Ozzy and Tony which I'm fine with that. I'd rather be between two of the members than on the far sides of the front row.Very excited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I'm going to the Vancouver show 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Broue Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) The legendary 1969-11-16 Dumfries gig has now leaked 2 days ago!This is the earliest known live recording of Black Sabbath (and Ozzy)It's been sought for many years by collectors...http://www.guitars101.com/forums/f145/black-sabbath-1969-11-16-dumfries-scotland-flac-aud-mega-link-205913.htmlBlack SabbathNovember 16, 1969Rugman's Youth ClubDumfries, ScotlandTaper: Alex WilsonLineage: Grundig Dynamic Mic -> Grundig Reel To Reel @ 3 and 3/4 IPS -> ? -> CDR -> FLACRunning Time: 62 MinutesTrack List:01 Black Sabbath (Cuts In) 01:2302 Let Me Love You Baby 05:0303 Song For Jim/Bill Ward Drum Solo 10:5204 The Warning 18:1605 Wicked World 05:3006 Behind the Wall of Sleep 05:0107 Early Morning School 04:5308 N.I.B. 05:0809 Blue Blooded Man 06:20Band:Vocals: Ozzy OsbourneGuitar & Flute: Tony IommiBass: Geezer ButlerDrums: Bill WardAlex Wilson's Original Notes: The night of Sunday, 16th November 1969 at Rugman's Youth Club changed my life. I'd never heard a band play with such power or heavy riffs before, and it actually made me start my own band!I'll start off by describing Rugman’s - it's like standing in a small section of railway tunnel. There were stages at both ends, possibly about 20 yards long with walls curving onto the ceiling. The stage Sabbath played on was about 2 foot high. There were no fancy stage lights, just one red bulb overhead and all the other room lights were out! There was about a crowd of 80 to 100 of an average age around 16 years, so there was no alcohol. It is worth noting that there was NO swearing from Ozzy, possibly because there were kids present and maybe his Dumfries girlfriend as well, a girl named Gillian McQueen.The acoustics were quite good if there was a crowd in. The show was recorded at the far stage from where the Sabs played, using one Grundig dynamic mic (thus making the tape just monaural). There was no automatic level setting on the mike then, so there are fluctuations in the recording level, as well as the inevitable bits of tape dropout considering the age of the tape originally used. During the music solos, you can hear the crowd chatting and discussing the evening, due to the obvious fact that they were standing between the mike and the band.The original tape was recorded on a Grundig reel to reel at 3 and 3/4 ips. I used to record every Amplified Heat show, so my equipment was there. Towards the end of the seventies, the tape began to fall apart. God knows when the original tape used was manufactured! But I did manage to transfer the recording to another reel to reel. Sabbath played 2 sets that night, but I was so gobsmacked that I didn't record the first set!Sabbath's equipment set-up that night was as follows: Ozzy sang through a Vox 100 watt P.A. amplifier via 2 Vox columns with four 10" speakers in each of them! Geezer and Tony had a Laney stack each with two 4 x 12" speaker cabinets each, but amazingly their Laney amp heads were only 60 watts (one amp per stack)! Bill's kit consisted of 1 bass drum, one hanging tom, one floor tom, one snare, and a hi hat!!The tape lasts approximately 62 minutes and the running order is as follows:1. Black Sabbath: I managed to get the last minute and half of this song.2. Let Me Love You Baby: This is a fast jazz-blues song that I'm sure Jeff Beck/Rod Stewart did on their first LP. It lasts just under 5 minutes, but sadly suffers from a bit of volume drop out for 20 seconds in the last minute of the song. Otherwise, it's brilliant. This was the end of their first set of the evening. Ozzy announces that they’ll have a half-hour break at this point in the show. [Editors note: This song is actually a Buddy Guy song that was later covered by many artists including the Jeff Beck Group and Stevie Ray Vaughan. The original tape loses volume towards the end of the song, but this has been fixed...]3. "A Song For Jim" / Bill Ward's Drum Solo / "A Song For Jim" [reprise]: The second set starts off with a flute and drum solo section featuring Tony Iommi on flute! This segues into Bill Ward soloing with his tiny kit! This section lasts approx 11 minutes and has a jazzy flute part in the middle that sounds like something out of the Pink Panther! [Editor's note - Although Alex had originally listed this one as just a "Flute & Drum solo", it immediately occurred to me that Tony was actually playing the melody for "A Song For Jim"! Upon closer inspection, I realized that Geezer was playing as well, so this is actually a live version of the song so many collectors have been clawing for. While we've only heard a smidgen of the unreleased demo for this song on the BLACK SABBATH STORY - VOLUME 1 video, we get to hear quite a bit more here. This rarely heard song sandwiches a rather lengthy Bill Ward drum solo and a short flute interlude from Tony. The complete running time of this track is 11:01.]4. The Warning: After a small break of 30 seconds the fourth track is "Warning", lasting 17 minutes and 45 seconds. There are slight bits of volume dips and tape dropout during this number, which is otherwise very good quality. [Editor's note - This rendition of "The Warning" contains a few extra sections that were likely cut from the studio version, making this a nice opportunity to hear what may have been extracted. You can tell the audience is getting rather restless by the 15 minute mark, so it was probably wise to edit this one for the album. There is a small cut towards the end of the song, but is probably missing only a minute or so.]5. Wicked World: The next song is "Wicked World", lasting 5 minutes 30 seconds. This features a jazzy section between verses 1 and 2 that’s not on the single version. I don’t know if it's been on any other recordings or not. There's a severe jump in the volume during the instrumental section leading to the last verse. God knows what caused that! You can hear Bill counting in the ending...6. Behind The Wall Of Sleep: Next up is "Behind The Wall Of Sleep" at just under 5 minutes. The last 70 seconds features a fast jazz blues section, which I don’t remember on the original release. [Editor's note – This includes the same jazzy section that can also be heard on Paris ’70, John Peel’s Sunday Show 4/26/70 and Koln 4/3/70. This leads me to believe that the band originally intended that section to be part of the song. The studio version ends just before they would ordinarily kick into the jazz vamp.]7. "Early One Morning" [a.k.a.Early Morning School]: The seventh track is a fast blues/boogie, which I believe they called "Early Warning School". I don’t have the announcement on tape, but I seem to recall that was the title they said. But I'm going back 35 years here to remember this! It lasts just under 5 minutes. Very good. [Editor's note – Sorry for the previous confusion on the title. David Rostowsky pointed out that this is more than likely a cover of the Elmore James song "Early One Morning", with slightly butchered lyrics!]8. N.I.B.: The eighth track is "NIB" at just over 5 minutes long. This is the one that changed my musical outlook and encouraged me to start my own band. [Editor's note - "N.I.B." has different lyrics!! The 'chorus' sections ("My love for you has got to be real") are the same, but the verses are completely different.]9. Blue Blood Man: The last track and the encore for the night is called "Blue Blood Man". It’s a fast blues/boogie that showcases Tony doing his Alvin Lee impersonation (via Django Reinhardt!) This lasts over 6 minutes and is great!I spoke to the band after the show when they were packing their gear into their old Transit. I asked Tony why he had left Jethro Tull after even being on Top Of The Pops. T.O.T.P. was the ultimate pinnacle in those days, for you knew you'd arrived if you got on it. He told me he'd "Rather play with my mates. Jethro Tull are weird!" I can also remember my flared trousers flapping in the wind from the volume of the show when I was standing in front of the stage! I met the band another 3 times in the very early 70's and they always remembered the times they played in Dumfries. I'm sure there are more Dumfries dates for your timeline, which I'll try and find out for you. Edited September 12, 2015 by Strange Broue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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