Iron MikeyJ Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, James Bond said: The Disney efforts are proving that George, at the bare minimum, is needed for the story. He at least envisions an arc which lends itself to a coherent trilogy. Disney seems to be going film to film - contradicting plot points as they go. THIS!!! I just heard a week or two ago that Disney JUST NOW had JJ pitch his idea for episode 9. Like really??? These films are supposed to be planned out from the get go. Not doing so, makes them endless sequels not a trilogy. Honestly ole Georgie boy did a pretty good job in one aspect with the prequels, he managed to create a fully functioning trilogy that leaves questions and wonder about the next film, all while fitting up into the OT pretty solidly. The whole last 10 mins or so of ROTS was dedicated to plot holes. Sure George didn't get every single one, but I appreciate the effort. Far more thought than what Disney has been putting in. The fact that Rian Johnson and Disney treated the 2nd act of a trilogy as a stand alone film, is a pretty huge slap in the face unto itself imo. Edited December 26, 2017 by Iron MikeyJ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 3 hours ago, luciusfunk said: Lucas has been blacklisted since the 70s and he tried to get other directors to do the prequels. Why was he blacklisted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luciusfunk Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 He refused to do opening credits. It would really ruin a Star Wars film to have opening credits. I'm not sure he was blacklisted after Star Wars or Empire. I think they let him get away with it on Star Wars, but fined and blacklisted him for doing it with Empire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 14 hours ago, Iron MikeyJ said: THIS!!! I just heard a week or two ago that Disney JUST NOW had JJ pitch his idea for episode 9. Like really??? These films are supposed to be planned out from the get go. Not doing so, makes them endless sequels not a trilogy. Honestly ole Georgie boy did a pretty good job in one aspect with the prequels, he managed to create a fully functioning trilogy that leaves questions and wonder about the next film, all while fitting up into the OT pretty solidly. The whole last 10 mins or so of ROTS was dedicated to plot holes. Sure George didn't get every single one, but I appreciate the effort. Far more thought than what Disney has been putting in. The fact that Rian Johnson and Disney treated the 2nd act of a trilogy as a stand alone film, is a pretty huge slap in the face unto itself imo. I was actually thinking about that actually. I wonder if we're done with trilogies? I wonder if going forward it'll be "another episode, another episode, another episode" formula. For the record, I think that's a horrible idea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 19 hours ago, rocknroll41 said: It's a little more complicated than that. George Lucas is rumored to have been on the DGA blacklist ever since Empire cause he wouldn't let the film have opening credits (they didn't give a shit for the original film). That's apparently why Speilberg didn't end up directing Return of the Jedi. He didn't wanna risk getting blacklisted as well. iirc Lucas had asked Kasdan to write the prequels back when the ball was getting rolling on those in 1994, but kasdan turned it down. Rumor has it Kasdan was afraid of being blacklisted by the guild as well. Other rumors suggest it was cause Lucas and Kasdan had a personal fallout at the time. If the latter is true, they must've made peace at some point cause they were both at a WGA event together back in like 2007 or so. I didn't realize the blacklisting was still rearing its head around the prequels. That certainly explains the lack of outside involvement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 1 hour ago, RussTCB said: I was actually thinking about that actually. I wonder if we're done with trilogies? I wonder if going forward it'll be "another episode, another episode, another episode" formula. For the record, I think that's a horrible idea Thatd be awful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 JJ says he sees Episode 9 as the end of the Skywalker saga, and Ridley said she doesn't think she'll return after Episode 9, so I think the idea of generational trilogies is still intact, at least for now. there will still be tons of spin offs, at least one a year, from now until the end of time though. Make no mistake about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 I think the idea of continuous sequels is certifiable. This is Disney? The custodians of the Marvel films? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Man, fuck Hollywood. Bunch of rapists and franchise killers. Star Wars got raped by Disney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luciusfunk Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 12 hours ago, rocknroll41 said: JJ says he sees Episode 9 as the end of the Skywalker saga, and Ridley said she doesn't think she'll return after Episode 9, so I think the idea of generational trilogies is still intact, at least for now. there will still be tons of spin offs, at least one a year, from now until the end of time though. Make no mistake about that. Daisy said she never said that. But if they go past EPIX and it's not an anthology film and it's not about Skywalkers, fuck Disney and Jar Jar Abrams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cantona Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 A year ago since Carrie Fisher passed today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bond Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 The one person they don't kill off in the film is the one who dies in real life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luciusfunk Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 So Finn just happens to work on Starkiller and Snoke’s star destroyer? I’ll bet the next ship they have to infiltrate or blow up will have had Finn stationed on it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgy Zhukov Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 9 hours ago, James Bond said: The one person they don't kill off in the film is the one who dies in real life. Yeah, this film could have used some serious post-production work. Reshoots and rewrites. 25 minutes ago, luciusfunk said: So Finn just happens to work on Starkiller and Snoke’s star destroyer? I’ll bet the next ship they have to infiltrate or blow up will have had Finn stationed on it. Well, he is the best damn janitor in the galaxy. Also, how many stromtroopers do they have? Maybe he was in high demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 (edited) It was wank. Gutted. Edited December 28, 2017 by Dazey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlingrl03 Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 On 27/12/2017 at 12:29 PM, AslatIE said: A year ago since Carrie Fisher passed today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR DOOM Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 (edited) I just couldn't give a flying turd about pretty much any of the new characters-Rey is all "Mary Sue", Poe is really annoying, and I'll be fucked if Finn isn't the epitomy of the token black guy. Rose is the shittest Star Wars character ever. Get the fuck out of here. Edited December 29, 2017 by DR DOOM language 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucketfoot Posted December 29, 2017 Share Posted December 29, 2017 Finally saw this last night and thought it was pretty underwhelming after The Force Awakens and Rogue One. The advance word had been really good as well but apart from a couple of good bits here and there it was very average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luciusfunk Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 Think I'm gonna rank them finally. Return of the Jedi The Empire Strikes Back Revenge of the Sith A New Hope The Phantom Menace Attack of the Clones Rogue One The Last Jedi The Force Awakens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 The problem with TLJ is that it makes me reevaluate TFA. I enjoyed TFA for what it was suppose to do: set the table, pose questions, introduce new characters, roughly outline what Luke, Leia, and Han have been up to for 40 years. But with TLJ seeming not to give a shit about what TFA was, it kind of makes the first film in this new trilogy kind of irrelevant. I still say it's more fun than TLJ with Han and Chewie in it, but it's disappointing that many of the setups within TFA are ignored or given poor follow-through in TLJ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric Cantona Posted January 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) They should've hired all writers and directors years ago, and written an outline for the trilogy way before TFA even went into production, instead of having directors with opposing views mucking the story up. Edited January 3, 2018 by AslatIE 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luciusfunk Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 51 minutes ago, AslatIE said: They should've hired all writers and directors yeard ago, and written an outline for the trilogy way before TFA even went into production, instead of having directors with opposing views mucking the story up. And a week or two after VII hit theaters, JJ pitched his story for IX. FFS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 56 minutes ago, AslatIE said: They should've hired all writers and directors yeard ago, and written an outline for the trilogy way before TFA even went into production, instead of having directors with opposing views mucking the story up. I thought that was the responsibility of Kathleen Kennedy, who oversees Star Wars for Disney. So far nothing from Lucasfilm after being purchased by Disney can be considered great. Rogue One was decent, TFA was fun but now kind of pointless, and TLJ exposes a total lack of concern for continuity and consistency with respect to the new trilogy and iconic characters like Leia and Luke Skywalker. I’d still be in favour of someone more competent someday redoing the whole series from episode 1 through 9. Map things out, invest in great scripts, adhere to one aesthetic and tech environment, lock in actors for the entire series. Star Wars is a great concept but too few of the films are all that great. Empire and parts of Jedi and a New Hope are fantastic, but everything else save for Rogue One has been either a disaster or undermined but subsequent films (TFA). I’d like to see a fresh start with a new cast, new ideas, better execution, and stronger and more cohesive narrative arcs. Some films would like Empire would only need small and simple tweaks, whereas the prequels need a complete overhaul. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Cantona Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 That's not to say I didn't enjoy TFA and TLJ, just saying they could've been executed much better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Iron MikeyJ Posted January 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 3, 2018 The prequels were a mess, yet they feel more cohesive and organized than the Disney trilogy does. That's REALLY telling imo. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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