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Dan H.    1,069
39 minutes ago, downzy said:

Not going to lie, wasn't thrilled with having Trevorrow direct episode IX.  Was not a fan of Jurrasic Park World and worried that Trevorrow would turn the film into an amusement ride devoid of any depth or significance (not that there's a lot of depth in Star Wars films already).  

Safety Not Garunteed is a pretty mediocre film as well, and its what launched his career.

At some point it became trendy for big studios to pick up indie film makers and shove them onto big blockbuster franchises without even considering who the director is, and what their strengths and weaknesses are.

Thus you get horrible flops like Fantastic Four, Jurrassic World, and Blair Witch Project, which destroy the budding indie director's career.

Trank, Trevorrow, and Wingard's reputations are ruined, and with only a handlful of films under their belt and barely a start to their careers. All three made indie films that range from okay (Safety Not Garunteed) to great (The Guest) to excellent (Chronical). Such a waste of talent.

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ZoSoRose    5,614
6 minutes ago, Dan H. said:

Safety Not Garunteed is a pretty mediocre film as well, and its what launched his career.

At some point it became trendy for big studios to pick up indie film makers and shove them onto big blockbuster franchises without even considering who the director is, and what their strengths and weaknesses are.

Thus you get horrible flops like Fantastic Four, Jurrassic World, and Blair Witch Project, which destroy the budding indie director's career.

Trank, Trevorrow, and Wingard's reputations are ruined, and with only a handlful of films under their belt and barely a start to their careers. All three made indie films that range from okay (Safety Not Garunteed) to great (The Guest) to excellent (Chronical). Such a waste of talent.

Jurassic World was HUGE and did alright critically. I thought it was alright, but acknowledge all the criticism. Its still one of the biggest films ever commercially, so I dont think his career is done because of his latest flop. It definitely isnt like a Josh Trank disaster. I still dont think Jurassic World warrants him being worthy for the grand finale of the sequel trilogy, so I am not necessarily lamenting his departure.

Still, what the fuckkkkkk. Every Disney Star Wars project except VIII has had massive problems behind the scenes. VII saw Michael Ardnt leave as a head writer, Rogue One saw a massive overhaul, the Han Solo movie sounds like a disaster, and now this. What the hell is going on? Im not too scared, because VII and Rogue One were good Star Wars films, but damn its crazy.

Disney seems confident in The Last Jedi, maybe bring Johnson back for IX if it is critically acclaimed like VII. I wouldnt mind JJ coming back to help, too, if Johnson is burnt out and needs a hand.

Or they could get crazy and have Spielberg direct it. Fuck it, that could be awesome. Ill go full moron and say why not have Lucas help a bit with story elements? Just have someone there to reign in the extra crap

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downzy    4,703
13 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

Jurassic World was HUGE and did alright critically. I thought it was alright, but acknowledge all the criticism. Its still one of the biggest films ever commercially, so I dont think his career is done because of his latest flop. It definitely isnt like a Josh Trank disaster. I still dont think Jurassic World warrants him being worthy for the grand finale of the sequel trilogy, so I am not necessarily lamenting his departure.

Still, what the fuckkkkkk. Every Disney Star Wars project except VIII has had massive problems behind the scenes. VII saw Michael Ardnt leave as a head writer, Rogue One saw a massive overhaul, the Han Solo movie sounds like a disaster, and now this. What the hell is going on? Im not too scared, because VII and Rogue One were good Star Wars films, but damn its crazy.

Disney seems confident in The Last Jedi, maybe bring Johnson back for IX if it is critically acclaimed like VII. I wouldnt mind JJ coming back to help, too, if Johnson is burnt out and needs a hand.

Or they could get crazy and have Spielberg direct it. Fuck it, that could be awesome. Ill go full moron and say why not have Lucas help a bit with story elements? Just have someone there to reign in the extra crap

Jurassic World, IMO, was a remarkable commercial success, but it's not going to have much relevance or staying power in terms of being an accomplishment in film.  

My only concern is the final product.  And so far, Disney is two for two.  Not that neither TFA and RO didn't have their issues, but they certainly were better than most big-budget affairs of late.  I'd rather a studio acknowledge a problem and fix it mid-course than allow for issues to hamper the final product.  

And no, there's no way Lucas should be allowed anywhere near upcoming Star Wars projects.  He gave up that right when with the cinematic abortions that are the prequels.  Plus, we already know what he'd say: "more CGI!"

I don't have problem with Disney using upcoming directors instead of established filmmakers.  I think they'd do the series a disservice by using the same guys who haven't had an original idea in decades.  Roll the dice and bring in some fresh blood.  Star Wars survived the prequels, they can survive the odd misstep so long as they're taking smart risks.  I actually give Disney credit with their willingness to place their newly acquired multi-billion dollar franchise in the hands of relatively unestablished directors.  

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downzy    4,703
31 minutes ago, Georgy Zhukov said:

Directors don't have input on these films anyway. The producers control all creativity.

You're probably right, but I do think allowing directors to write the script allows for a lot of room for whoever is directing the film.  

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Georgy Zhukov    2,053
1 minute ago, downzy said:

You're probably right, but I do think allowing directors to write the script allows for a lot of room for whoever is directing the film.  

 

Fans are screaming for Alfonso Cuaron or Guillermo Del Toro but they have egos, well earned egos. Disney wants to get some pushover. Someone to make a safe film. Same with all these big extended universe films. 

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rocknroll41    456
15 hours ago, Georgy Zhukov said:

 

Fans are screaming for Alfonso Cuaron or Guillermo Del Toro but they have egos, well earned egos. Disney wants to get some pushover. Someone to make a safe film. Same with all these big extended universe films. 

Yeah they need a yes-man like Brent Ratner or Joe Johnson or someone else who'll just do whatever the fuck they want at this point.

i wouldn't mind either JJ or Rian coming back, though. Maybe Rian can write and JJ can direct.

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Powerage5    4,361

I don't really blame him for any of the problems I have with TFA, so I'm happy with this decision. 

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Graeme    1,553
On 06/09/2017 at 7:14 PM, Dan H. said:

Safety Not Garunteed is a pretty mediocre film as well, and its what launched his career.

At some point it became trendy for big studios to pick up indie film makers and shove them onto big blockbuster franchises without even considering who the director is, and what their strengths and weaknesses are.

Thus you get horrible flops like Fantastic Four, Jurrassic World, and Blair Witch Project, which destroy the budding indie director's career.

Trank, Trevorrow, and Wingard's reputations are ruined, and with only a handlful of films under their belt and barely a start to their careers. All three made indie films that range from okay (Safety Not Garunteed) to great (The Guest) to excellent (Chronical). Such a waste of talent.

Jurassic World was fine and did pretty well critically and commercially...

I agree with Dies, Rogue One aside, there has been pretty much nothing good about Disney's acquisition of Star Wars.

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Eh, they did what they had to do.

For all his strengths, I would not peg JJ Abrams as what Alec Baldwin would call a "closer."

I don't think of him as a director who does the epic finale. I struggle when I look at his work to see a piece of product that was really ended in a profound way. 

I hope he feels the pressure, otherwise this could be the dog chasing his tail.

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Dan H.    1,069
2 hours ago, Graeme said:

Jurassic World was fine and did pretty well critically and commercially...

I agree with Dies, Rogue One aside, there has been pretty much nothing good about Disney's acquisition of Star Wars.

I'd say it was controversial in its critical reception, but perhaps Trevorrow is a bad example.

Either way, Jurrasic Park fans have much greater leniency with that franchise than SW fans have with theirs, and I was never confident in Trevorrow as the right choice.

For the record, I though Jurrasic World was fine. Probably not a film that will have a lot of staying power, but it accomplished what the studios wanted so I concede on that point.

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I've always thought Chris Terrio's work on the Argo script was fantastic. He made that movie feel delightful and tense at the same time. I can't speak to the rest of the stuff he's done, because I think the DC scripts are creatively bankrupt in the first place. 

He'll have to do as a co-writer since Larry Kasdan is busy.

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Dan H.    1,069
6 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Abrams is truly awful.

But you don't really like any modern mainstream blockbuster directors right?

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DieselDaisy    9,244
12 minutes ago, Dan H. said:

But you don't really like any modern mainstream blockbuster directors right?

Not really. Nolan is alright, but then I wouldn't say he is typical.

 

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