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On 12/8/2016 at 3:27 PM, killuridols said:

wow

Is Juliette involved in that?? :rofl-lol:

I have no idea because the only one I follow is Grace but I hardly EVER read the comments they leave to her as I find them boring and 99% of the time I dont understand what the fuck those people are talking about so everything is :sleeper: to me.

Pretty sure the ones hating on Duff's daugthers are new GNR fans, the teenager ones, because I couldn't conceive the old lineup fandom going that route. People in their 30s-40s bullying teenage girls? You gotta be pretty fucked up to do that.

It's in most part jealousy and too much time in their hands. :shrugs:

 

:lol::lol::lol: thanks for the laughs. 

This girl -and the band- are a tendence on Instagram?... Oh my god!!!!!  what a nightmare :o:P

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12 hours ago, dgnr said:

Dude, that's so unfair. I'm not sure if intelligence is the word, but Axl is a cultivated man. And let's face it, looking at the environment he grown up, that's really incredible. It means he was some kind of autodidact, he had to learn, to read, to seek for things that weren't given to him per se.

You don't need to go to school or college to have this kind of 'intelligence'. My dad for example left school and had  to work at a really young age (that's how things were in Portugal during the dictatorship) but he's like one of the most intelligent people I know. He learned lots of shit from reading, from watching documentaries, from always seeking for knowledge, from being interested in what's happening in the world. The fact of being educated doesn't mean shit. 

Culture is something you learn throughout your life, if you want or if you're open to it, and it's even by yourself or by someone that passes it to you. School doesn't give you that.

Maybe educated was the wrong word to use here. I didn't necessarily mean educated in the sense that you went to college and have a degree or whatever, but more like educated in a general sense. About life and everything there is to learn. I certainly don't judge people's intelligence by whether they have a degree or not.

12 hours ago, killuridols said:

Why do you consider Duff smart and not Axl? What have you seen in Duff that you can't see in Axl, given the fact that you don't know either of them personally?

I think it is impossible for us to determine what level of intelligence Axl has or to say he's dumb. We cannot call him dumb and we cannot call him particularly intelligent either, since we have no elements to judge him.

Besides, first we would have to agree on what is Intelligence and that's gonna be a tough one, since it seems the academic people can't even agree themselves on how to define intelligence :shrugs:

Honestly, I'm probably biased because I can relate to Duff much more on a personal level than I can to Axl. But Duff comes across to me as someone who is level-headed, rational and makes wise decisons. Which is something I admire and none of which can be said for Axl. Obviously it's also impressive that Duff actually went back to school, has a degree, a wealth management company, great taste in books, somehow manages to have a loving family despite his rock star occupation, is thrifty and makes clever financial investments,... he just seems like a really balanced and well-rounded person in all areas of his life, who makes a lot of intelligent choices. The complete opposite of Axl basically.

And I'm also not really seeing Axl's intelligence in some of the areas claimed here in this thread. Some people mentioned linguistic and verbal intelligence, but I'm really not convinced. Axl might be a little above average in that regard compared to some random Joe on the street, but just look at the way he writes. It's usually a ranting, rambling, barely coherent mess and a grammatical nightmare. I get the impression some people are fooled into thinking he must be really clever by his endless run-on sentences and the big words he likes to use or something.

So again Duff wins in that department. Duff's writing is way better than Axl's and actually very enjoyable to read. It's insightful, engaging, witty, easy to follow (because he actually adheres to standards of proper writing and spelling) and every bit as articulate and eloquent as Axl's, if not more so. And judging by the few examples I've seen of Slash's writing, even Slash is better at it than Axl.

And yeah, Axl likes to talk, but the things that come out of his mouth have never struck me as any more intelligent/clever/insightful/articulate/eloquent etc. than the things Duff or Slash say (at least not since they got sober). Izzy can be quite clever too if he wants to. So with the exception of Steven (who really is just not the sharpest tool in the shed), I really don't see how Axl is any smarter than his band mates in that area either.

Same thing with his musical abilities. Doesn't really seem any more gifted there then Izzy, Slash or Duff to me.

12 hours ago, Blackstar said:

I wouldn't put Axl in the same category with all these.

Well, I wouldn't either, he's way smarter and much more influential than all of these guys, but fairly or not, that's what GNR often gets lumped into and that's the people they used to hang out with. So compared to them, it'd be relatively easy for him to appear smart or like some kind of "redneck intellectual".

19 hours ago, Lumikki said:


- The author says "Everyone has heard rumors of Axl supposedly being bipolar or at least having some kind of childhood post traumatic stress disorder." But that's actually the first time ever that I've seen the childhood-related PTSD thing mentioned in an article or interview about Axl. The only place I've ever seen this brought up was here on this board. Usually it's just bipolar/manic-depressive, crazy or simply an asshole when it comes to journalists and magazines. You can tell that the guy talked to a lot of people who know/knew Axl.

If the guy really talked to as many people from GNR's inner circle as he claims, then maybe he heard some stories about Axl and his childhood (and the various issues related to that). Marc Canter especially seems to have some awareness of that.

This might also be part of the reason why people don't seem to be able to stay mad at him or to tell him to fuck off once and for all. It's harder to hate or stay mad at a guy who's just really screwed up from his childhood than someone who's just being difficult and an asshole for the hell of it. Not that his childhood is an excuse for his behavior, but yeah.

16 hours ago, Lumikki said:

Also I really hope he was speaking hyperbolically/exaggerating when he said his parents beat him for 20 years. :scared::scared:

Obviously beating children is horrible and wrong, but I find the thought of him still getting beaten as a teenger or young adult very disturbing as well. Disturbing in a different way maybe.

In my experience even parents who use physcial discipline with their children usually stop that shit when their children are around 12-14 years old. The thought of a parent discipling/beating a 16 year old or an 18 year old or whatever is really frightening to me.

I wouldn't be that shocked. Just look at all these religious fundamentalists who have all these adult children living at home, completely under their father's authority despite the fact that they're all technically of age. The Duggars that were mentioned earlier are a famous example of that.

In Axl's case, we know that he was kicked out of his house when he was 16, so most of the beatings probably stopped then (except if he maybe went back sometimes and managed to piss his father off on these occasions). But I'd say up until the point he was 16, he probably got to feel God's wrath (lovingly delivered by his step dad) pretty regularly. These patriarchal religious nuts tend to look at their children as literal children until they move out and become the heads of their own families.

Among other things, you can kind of tell his parents thought of him and treated him like a child even by the reason he was kicked out in the first place- his hair. I mean think about it, they kicked him out for refusing to cut his hair, which implies that they felt they had a say (or even the right to decide) what his hair should look like. Which would be alright with a small child maybe, but Axl wasn't a small child, he was 16, nearly an adult. At that age parents usually don't get to decide such things anymore. I would have been very amused if mom or dad had tried to tell me what to do with my hair at that age. When you're 16, you feel oh so grown up already (even if you aren't), you feel you're a man now, not a boy anymore, and you want to be treated as a man. Your parents refusing to let you have any control of your own (even over simple things like your own hair) and daddy regularly punching you in the face or whipping your ass with his belt as punishment for whatever sins you committed probably does a number on you at that age.

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10 minutes ago, Frey said:

Some people mentioned linguistic and verbal intelligence, but I'm really not convinced. 

Not sure if you mean me, but that's actually what I was saying, too. That I would expect notable intelligence to manifest most readily in the lingustic department, especially since he was quite old by the time people started hearing what he says. But that's not really the case, is it.

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16 minutes ago, tiutso said:

Not sure if you mean me, but that's actually what I was saying, too. That I would expect notable intelligence to manifest most readily in the lingustic department, especially since he was quite old by the time people started hearing what he says. But that's not really the case, is it.

No, I didn't mean you specifically, that point was mentioned by quite a few people. But while quickly skimming through this thread I think I probably did interpret what you wrote as arguing for Axl's intelligence instead of against it.

But upon re-reading I agree with you that his so called verbal/linguistic intelligence doesn't really manifest anywhere we can see, whether it's his lyrics, interviews, writing or anything else.

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4 hours ago, Frey said:

Maybe educated was the wrong word to use here. I didn't necessarily mean educated in the sense that you went to college and have a degree or whatever, but more like educated in a general sense. About life and everything there is to learn. I certainly don't judge people's intelligence by whether they have a degree or not.

Honestly, I'm probably biased because I can relate to Duff much more on a personal level than I can to Axl. But Duff comes across to me as someone who is level-headed, rational and makes wise decisons. Which is something I admire and none of which can be said for Axl. Obviously it's also impressive that Duff actually went back to school, has a degree, a wealth management company, great taste in books, somehow manages to have a loving family despite his rock star occupation, is thrifty and makes clever financial investments,... he just seems like a really balanced and well-rounded person in all areas of his life, who makes a lot of intelligent choices. The complete opposite of Axl basically.

And I'm also not really seeing Axl's intelligence in some of the areas claimed here in this thread. Some people mentioned linguistic and verbal intelligence, but I'm really not convinced. Axl might be a little above average in that regard compared to some random Joe on the street, but just look at the way he writes. It's usually a ranting, rambling, barely coherent mess and a grammatical nightmare. I get the impression some people are fooled into thinking he must be really clever by his endless run-on sentences and the big words he likes to use or something.

So again Duff wins in that department. Duff's writing is way better than Axl's and actually very enjoyable to read. It's insightful, engaging, witty, easy to follow (because he actually adheres to standards of proper writing and spelling) and every bit as articulate and eloquent as Axl's, if not more so. And judging by the few examples I've seen of Slash's writing, even Slash is better at it than Axl.

And yeah, Axl likes to talk, but the things that come out of his mouth have never struck me as any more intelligent/clever/insightful/articulate/eloquent etc. than the things Duff or Slash say (at least not since they got sober). Izzy can be quite clever too if he wants to. So with the exception of Steven (who really is just not the sharpest tool in the shed), I really don't see how Axl is any smarter than his band mates in that area either.

Same thing with his musical abilities. Doesn't really seem any more gifted there then Izzy, Slash or Duff to me.

Well, I wouldn't either, he's way smarter and much more influential than all of these guys, but fairly or not, that's what GNR often gets lumped into and that's the people they used to hang out with. So compared to them, it'd be relatively easy for him to appear smart or like some kind of "redneck intellectual".

If the guy really talked to as many people from GNR's inner circle as he claims, then maybe he heard some stories about Axl and his childhood (and the various issues related to that). Marc Canter especially seems to have some awareness of that.

This might also be part of the reason why people don't seem to be able to stay mad at him or to tell him to fuck off once and for all. It's harder to hate or stay mad at a guy who's just really screwed up from his childhood than someone who's just being difficult and an asshole for the hell of it. Not that his childhood is an excuse for his behavior, but yeah.

 

Axl's writing (in terms of letters or what he's written here) is very run-on and all over the place, yes. But there's still something about the way he speaks in interviews that makes me think he's smarter than the average bear. Many of the people who have interacted with him day to day - not just trying to make an assessment from a fan board - have said as much.

Duff is extremely intelligent AND smart and seems to have made wonderful decisions for himself, yes. Duff's a better prose writer, hands down with no questions. However, not all intelligent people come from the same mold, and Duff did not have to deal with the sheer amount of emotional and mental baggage that Axl seems to have. I would never underestimate panic attacks, but it's a bit different than being raised with a completely fucked-up and skewered world view from the get-go the way Axl seemed to have been. Mental health and emotional issues mess with people in all sorts of ways and affect them long-term.
 

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4 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

@Andy14 Where's that from? I Had a look on his Twitter comments for the first time in ages and I swear, the first comment I saw was DADDY :vomit:WTF?! 

 

I lost track of the intelligence debate, I just haven't got the attention span :lol:

 

I found it on Instagram. "Daddy" is horrible but "baby daddy" is something that makes Slash's creepy porn posts incredibely likeable :rofl-lol:

 

Don't worry, I also didn't follow the intelligence conversation, maybe I'm not intelligent enough lol. Yesterday I was just hibernating after Friday's party, so the debate was over my head :smiley-confused2:

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11 hours ago, acidcock27 said:

didn't axl say in a interview that he never went to school after junior year but he would take like the yearly test and he would score in the top 3%. when axl answers questions iin interviews he is able to go much deeper into the topic than your average celebrity, he expands and expands then brings everything he has said to one conclusion without even realising it. Many of the mistakes he has made have probably come from desperation rather than naivety , a desperation to be rid of whatever mental tick he has that makes him berserk

Didn't he say he took himself out of school because he wasn't learning anything. It was all too easy for him and boring. He said he took himself out of school and put himself through the school of Axl, learning about things he wanted to learn about. The school of Axl :lol: I love that. According to his friends in Indiana, "Axl school" was painting and playing his piano LOL! 

Then there was the time he refused to have any legal representation when he got into trouble for the millionth time in Indiana. He decided to represent himself :lol: he got chucked behind bars, but I love that too. 

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8 hours ago, tiutso said:

Stumbled upon an article about Slash's family. That's 1973, judging by Ash's age. Guess 'Oriental' was still an acceptable term back then.


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I love Slash's family. He was raised  by good parents I like to see pics and read things from when he was a kid

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2 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Didn't he say he took himself out of school because he wasn't learning anything. It was all too easy for him and boring. He said he took himself out of school and put himself through the school of Axl, learning about things he wanted to learn about. The school of Axl :lol: I love that. According to his friends in Indiana, "Axl school" was painting and playing his piano LOL! 

Then there was the time he refused to have any legal representation when he got into trouble for the millionth time in Indiana. He decided to represent himself :lol: he got chucked behind bars, but I love that too. 

N' didnt He usually spending time reading on His school library

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36 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

:P

Is it my old cataract infested eyes, or has Axls face on the main forum banner got an AC/DC lightning bolt on it? 

Is it a new thing or i'm hopelessly distracted and i never noticed?

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