tiutso Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 10 minutes ago, Lumikki said: If what Vicky says is true, that Axl was thinking something along the lines of "Who took my contact lenses so I can't read the contract?" (first time I've heard that), then well... that's some really fucking paranoid thinking right there. Makes him seem pretty cray-cray. I mean, what's more likely, you just having misplaced your contacts somewhere or someone among your friends having made an evil plan to steal them so you can't read what the company (that they're apparently conspiring with) makes you sign. Jeeeez. (And what was keeping him from just wearing his glasses anyway? Or having someone else read the contract for him? No wait, probably not trustworthy enough...) Eh, I don't think there's a calm and rational thought process at play? Mood swings that have to do with mental illness (if we're theorizing there's one involved) don't really need a reasonable trigger. Even if you deal with less intense issues than a biporal disorder, like a generalized depression, some rather innocent incidents can instantly send you down an uncontrollable spiral of self-disgust towards suicidal ideation or somethig alike. You're not gonna just sit them down and say, "Come on, no reason to be paranoid". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy14 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 24 minutes ago, Lumikki said: And it's even more proof of something we already knew: That Axl spends a lot of time on the internet (Not that I have any room to judge lol). I'm suspicious that he's one of us . We need to find out . Any tips? Lol, I really hope that he's never seen this thread, for his own good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerenityScorp Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) @Lumikki -Really hope He still likes the internet N' not like Duff tht hates it N' even want to kill the internet - Well, yeah it will. Wish Izzy will read those messages from Axl 14 minutes ago, Andy14 said: I'm suspicious that he's one of us . We need to find out . Any tips? Lol, I really hope that he's never seen this thread, for his own good Yeah maybe He read this thread, N' join Us gossiping with new account Edited August 24, 2016 by SerenityScorp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) That MySpace thing is hilarious, but the entire quote is interesting actually: Quote He continued, "I haven't spoken to Axl since 1988, but we still have a lot of mutual friends. I don't wish him ill, but it's hard because he never stops saying bad things about me. He was on my MySpace page doing that very recently. "Axl's problem is that if people don't support him a hundred percent in what he's doing, he just doesn't want to know them anymore. He's so talented, but that talent comes from being a nervous wreck and some place in your head you need to be happy, which he isn't." This rings very true to me. The first thing is definitely true (is that kind of black and white thinking indicative of something?), and I've also always suspected that Axl is actually really fucking insecure and full of anxieties. 12 hours ago, SerenityScorp said: 20 hours ago, dgnr said: awww I've actually lost count of how many times I saw this video The Queen song and that last part where Axl says 'I love you too'. Props to you, it's great!! I think its not I love You too It is. (And yes, I watched that video, don't look at me like that ) This is what Axl says: "Fuck you, Slash!" "I know what that little dedication is about." "I love you too." (Axl was being sarcastic, because Slash had done something to piss him off.) I'm actually curious about that little incident. Wth is going on there? What did Slash do to piss Axl off? (And what show is that from?) Please explain this to me, oh wise ladies of the womens' thread (The end of that video if anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about) Edited August 24, 2016 by Frey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RooSaa Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 5 minutes ago, Frey said: It is. (And yes, I watched that video, don't look at me like that ) This is what Axl says: "Fuck you, Slash!" "I know what that little dedication is about." "I love you too." (Axl was being sarcastic, because Slash had done something to piss him off.) I wondered sooo much about that part of the video. Did you read that Axl was pissed at Slash during the concert or are you just asuming it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiutso Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 12 minutes ago, Frey said: I'm actually curious about that little incident. Wth is going on there? What did Slash do to piss Axl off? (And what show is that from?) Please explain this to me, oh wise ladies of the womens' thread (The end of that video if anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about) I think I've read it on Tumblr that the intro he played to that song was out of some other song that's supposed to be telling. But I'm not sure what it's about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumikki Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) 48 minutes ago, tiutso said: Eh, I don't think there's a calm and rational thought process at play? Mood swings that have to do with mental illness (if we're theorizing there's one involved) don't really need a reasonable trigger. Even if you deal with less intense issues than a biporal disorder, like a generalized depression, some rather innocent incidents can instantly send you down an uncontrollable spiral of self-disgust towards suicidal ideation or somethig alike. You're not gonna just sit them down and say, "Come on, no reason to be paranoid". Yeah, that's basically what I was saying, only I wasn't very nice about it (shouldn't have called him cray-cray). His behavior there definitely wasn't very rational and can most likely be blamed on some kind of mental health issue, yes. 57 minutes ago, tiutso said: 1 hour ago, Lumikki said: And shouldn't that thread still be around somewhere if it was from 2012? Or did it get deleted? If you know the title of the thread or something it should be easy to find. No, that's the point. It got deleted quite soon after being opened up, and the only reason I found out about it was because the OP created another to complain about that first one being deleted 17 hours ago, Lumikki said: When I was 14 or so, I basically learned English from reading Izzy/Axl and Slaxl (and also some Sluff) fan fiction. I'm not even joking lmao Who was the OP of that thread? I'm angry at myself for not remembering if I ever read that thread or not. It sounds like it must have been pretty hilarious No one can ever say again GNR fan fiction isn't good for anything. It teaches bored little children new languages at least 24 minutes ago, Frey said: That MySpace thing is hilarious, but the entire quote is interesting actually: Quote He continued, "I haven't spoken to Axl since 1988, but we still have a lot of mutual friends. I don't wish him ill, but it's hard because he never stops saying bad things about me. He was on my MySpace page doing that very recently. "Axl's problem is that if people don't support him a hundred percent in what he's doing, he just doesn't want to know them anymore. He's so talented, but that talent comes from being a nervous wreck and some place in your head you need to be happy, which he isn't." This rings very true to me. The first thing is definitely true (is that kind of black and white thinking indicative of something?), and I've also always suspected that Axl is actually really fucking insecure and full of anxieties. Yes, I agree. I always thought Axl was a ball of nervous energy and insecurity as well. He seems to be doing much better these days though. 24 minutes ago, Frey said: It is. (And yes, I watched that video, don't look at me like that ) This is what Axl says: "Fuck you, Slash!" "I know what that little dedication is about." "I love you too." (Axl was being sarcastic, because Slash had done something to piss him off.) I'm actually curious about that little incident. Wth is going on there? What did Slash do to piss Axl off? (And what show is that from?) Please explain this to me, oh wise ladies of the womens' thread (The end of that video if anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about) I just watched that video again and I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THIS AS WELL. It's such an interesting little exchange. And the only time we've ever heard Axl say "I love you" to Slash, even if he did in an annoyed/grumpy/sarcastic way Also that entire bit between 1:20 and 2:40. That's all from the same concert, right? @Asia help pls (I admit, I actually haven't watched many of these old GNR shows. Which show is that anyway?) I mean, WTH WAS GOING ON WITH THEM THAT DAY?!! It's like they spent the entire show just cuddling with each other and being all over each other. They're extraordinarily affectionate and clingy there. Drunk? High? Or a special day for them or something? Edited August 24, 2016 by Lumikki 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiutso Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Just now, Lumikki said: Who was the OP of that thread? I'm angry at myself for not remembering if I ever read that thread or not. It sounds like it must have been pretty hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiutso Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, Lumikki said: I mean, WTH WAS GOING ON WITH THEM THAT DAY?!! I thinkit's been said that Axl might've been sick. He's kinda leaning forward in one of the sequences, Slash seems to be checking up on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) 32 minutes ago, RooSaa said: I wondered sooo much about that part of the video. Did you read that Axl was pissed at Slash during the concert or are you just asuming it? I was just assuming it because of the things Axl is saying there. Don't know how else you could interpret that lol. 22 minutes ago, tiutso said: I think I've read it on Tumblr that the intro he played to that song was out of some other song that's supposed to be telling. But I'm not sure what it's about. The song is Only Women Bleed by Alice Cooper I think. Which has some references to men beating their wifes/women in it and generally treating women like shit. Maybe Axl was awful to Erin or Steph again that day and Slash was making a dig at him with that song??? Edited to add I just checked and what Axl is singing are indeed some of the lyrics of Only Women Bleed as well. But weirdly enough only the last part of what he's singing. No idea about the "Make love why don't you" (?) part. Edited August 24, 2016 by Frey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerenityScorp Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 10 minutes ago, tiutso said: Someone said this, maybe We can search on tht forum Quote Of course you can. I'm not sure that it will do any good though. If it doesn't, Arnie has already started the same thread at GNFNR, so you can always discuss it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsOfSpiders Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 5 minutes ago, Frey said: I was just assuming it because of the things Axl is saying there. Don't know how else you could interpret that lol. The song is Only Women Bleed by Alice Cooper I think. Which has some references to men beating their wifes/women in it and generally treating women like shit. Maybe Axl was awful to Erin or Steph again that day and Slash was making a dig at him with that song??? They played that intro a lot though, and I don't think Axl would sing it if he didn't want to. So I don't think its that particular song. Although I can never figure out why Axl wanted to sing it so much. Unless it's a note to self kinda thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiutso Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Just now, SerenityScorp said: Someone said this, maybe We can search on tht forum Did a search, nothing came up. Most likely got shut down, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy14 Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 39 minutes ago, Frey said: It is. (And yes, I watched that video, don't look at me like that ) Lol, you are on a good way to become our Slaxl expert . Aren't you one of them? You know, I'm being suspicious I'm also curious what was going on in that video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said: They played that intro a lot though, and I don't think Axl would sing it if he didn't want to. So I don't think its that particular song. Although I can never figure out why Axl wanted to sing it so much. Unless it's a note to self kinda thing But it is. The intro Slash is playing is the intro of OWB. Listen to it on Youtube if you don't believe me And the lyrics Axl is singing are mostly from OWB as well. 1 minute ago, Andy14 said: Lol, you are on a good way to become our Slaxl expert . Aren't you one of them? You know, I'm being suspicious If I were Axl or Slash, I would have sued your gossipping asses to hell and back already Edited August 24, 2016 by Frey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerenityScorp Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, tiutso said: Did a search, nothing came up. Most likely got shut down, too. I duno if I search on the right forum but this They even discuss about Axl'swater bottle http://www.gunsnfnroses.com/index.php?/topic/25335-axls-bottled-water/ 3 minutes ago, Frey said: But it is. The intro Slash is playing is the intro of OWB. Listen to it on Youtube if you don't believe me And the lyrics Axl is singing are mostly from OWB as well. Well if Axl sings tht I dnt think thts the problem of Him being sarcastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiutso Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Just now, Frey said: But it is. The intro Slash is playing is the intro of OWB. Listen to it on Youtube if you don't believe me And the lyrics Axl is singing are mostly from OWB as well. What was meant, I think, is that it's not that song that UPSET him. Not that it's not the one being played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frey Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, tiutso said: What was meant, I think, is that it's not that song that UPSET him. Not that it's not the one being played. Ah I get it now. Sorry @MillionsOfSpiders But then how does this fit with 32 minutes ago, tiutso said: I think I've read it on Tumblr that the intro he played to that song was out of some other song that's supposed to be telling. But I'm not sure what it's about. ? Also it would explain Axl going "Fuck you" and saying "I know what that is about." Maybe it was the first time they played that song? Slash just brought it up as a dig at Axl and it stuck somehow? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsOfSpiders Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 8 minutes ago, Frey said: But it is. The intro Slash is playing is the intro of OWB. Listen to it on Youtube if you don't believe me And the lyrics Axl is singing are mostly from OWB as well. If I were Axl or Slash, I would have sued your gossipping asses to hell and back already That's what I mean though, they played that song all the time, and he sang that part all the time. I know the song, I've got the original. I know the lyrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerenityScorp Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 http://www.gunsnfnroses.com/index.php?/topic/25221-is-fernando-allowed-to-talk-to-slash/ This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsOfSpiders Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Frey said: Ah I get it now. Sorry @MillionsOfSpiders But then how does this fit with ? Also it would explain Axl going "Fuck you" and saying "I know what that is about." Maybe it was the first time they played that song? Slash just brought it up as a dig at Axl and it stuck somehow? I don't think Slash would spring that on him. It's about the third verse in of that song too. I think that song was put in there by all of them, wasn't it always the intro to Patience? can't quite remember now. I always thought Axl might tag OWB to Patience for some reason known to him. Edited August 24, 2016 by MillionsOfSpiders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giuls Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 56 minutes ago, Frey said: This rings very true to me. The first thing is definitely true (is that kind of black and white thinking indicative of something?), and I've also always suspected that Axl is actually really fucking insecure and full of anxieties. Black or white thinking or splitting is one of the main symptoms of BPD but it can occour in depression too. About the lebeis relationships, i wonder if the return of Slash and Duff changed things as in can they still blackmail him emotionally with them there, is still super afraid of abandonment even now that he seems better? 38 minutes ago, tiutso said: I thinkit's been said that Axl might've been sick. He's kinda leaning forward in one of the sequences, Slash seems to be checking up on him. I don't know, it seems to me that the majority of the cuddling comes from Axl, he's blurry but he seems affectionate not sick? About the "i love you too" like @MillionsOfSpiders said, Axl keeps singing and they seems pretty far in the song, did they talk before the song? Axl mustn't have been that annoyed because he kept singing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane M. Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 45 minutes ago, tiutso said: Geez. Hooray for tolerance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Whiskey Rose Posted August 24, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 24, 2016 For @RooSaa I'm going to give another interpretation of Beta other than the one which seems to be popular here. first, I don't think she "blackmailed" Axl, the No More Managers or I quit comment came from the exasperation they were all feeling with the multitude of managers who came and went who didn't care what Axl wanted, but whose only agenda was a reunion when axl wasn't ready for it. She saw him get used and disappointed again and again and was fed up. And yes, I think she would do anything for her family..and guess what..Axl is family. To say that the Lebais' don't care for him just because he employs them is extremely callous towards axl imo...there are lots and lots and lots of family businesses in the world, are all those sons and daughters and brothers and sisters leeches too? Just to be clear, he is not paying them to be his family, they are his family whom he employs. Just because it is not the conventional type of family does not mean it is any less valid..they chose each other. I think a lot of people who are critical of this are probably sitting cozy with loving parents, a spouse nearby and children playing in the background..or if not, at least young enough where the possibility for this still exists..Axl never found this..to judge him for having these people in his life, or for wanting them to be out of his life, seems cruel and self indulgent. Everyone deserves a family right? And family does not necessarily mean blood ties. He finally has a house full of children, and people who he cares about who he can provide for..this is what he has always wanted. Just because it doesn't fit someone else's view shouldn't negate it. He is a grown man who can make his own decisions, he has decided he loves these people, he is happy, lets let them all be. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsOfSpiders Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 @Frey they always played it as an intro to KHOD. It's on the official Tokyo release too. Its right at the beginning point of that intro, right at the point of how they start it off. So, maybe Slash played something else before? Slash looks totally as confused as us about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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