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5 minutes ago, Rock Hopper said:

Didn't mention The ex wife, just said "this is one you might know".

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8 hours ago, Lumikki said:

Btw, what's the other non-Russian half of your heritage that you said no one has ever heard of? Try me, I'm good with shit like that and I'm curious :lol:

Tatar :lol: The people who know are either to the East geographically, or just Russian history buffs who read all about Tatar-Mongol igo; others go, 'huh?' :lol:

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5 hours ago, stella said:

I think a lot of it depends on one's own experiences, too. I'm from a big city in the USA. A lot of my friends and classmates were from other places and spoke other languages at home. We absolutely DID know where other countries were - even if we had nasty stereotypes taught to us about them - because we were constantly around people from other countries. By the time I was in middle school I think I knew how to swear in Korean, Italian, Spanish and Hindi, LOL. A lot of slang from different languages were part of normal speech for everyone - like everyone knew what mangia or schmuck meant. We ate a lot of food from other countries. When I was in school we had to know every country in every continent and be able to fill them in on maps - we were tested on that. As well as all the USA states and capitals, and all the Canadian provinces. I remember hating those maps, LOL.

Same. Except we weren't terribly big on the world geography. There were several consecutive years of Geography classes where they would shove economics and production of local regions down our throats, so we had to memorize where every republic and every region within Russia was located and be able to, at the least, point it out on the map real quick, but later on, straight up draw the whole country with divisions on a white fucking sheet, complete with capitals. There are 85 federal subjects :max: 

We had Russian hist and World hist every year but  Russia was obviously the primary concern. The most disturbing thing is the way they teach about WWII. We started Hist in 6th grade, had it every year up to the very end. Out of those six years, there were four, I think, that we spent either meditating over the WWII events, or at least brushing up on them. I'm plain sick of that war. Our teacher was kinda seasoned and had a sense of humor, so she did the whole thing with irony, but the books and the movies were hella fucking patriotic about it. It's the same damn story about the bloody heroism of the great Russian nation over and over again. 

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4 hours ago, giuls said:

The highlighted part sounds super weird to me, i know no-one who would say seriously we're the best ever, the only time i hear it it's during sport events :lol: Also i never understood why you recitate the national anthem every morning in school, another thing i find weird, ah, cultural differences! :lol:

We don't really do that but at one school I went to, the whole body of people gathered every Monday morning to sing the Russian anthem together :lol:

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2 hours ago, Mandy123 said:

ok, now THIS is cute 

 

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I wonder if They call Axl, Uncle Axl too

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5 hours ago, Mandy123 said:

ok, now THIS is cute 

 

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You are right, that's really cute :) Uncle Slash and Aunt Meegan. :)

It's so nice to see how close Slash, Duff and their familys are. Their kids are like siblings to each other, it's awesome to see. One big happy family :)

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5 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

What country? I'm indonesian

Armenia :)

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6 hours ago, tiutso said:
12 hours ago, stella said:

I think a lot of it depends on one's own experiences, too. I'm from a big city in the USA. A lot of my friends and classmates were from other places and spoke other languages at home. We absolutely DID know where other countries were - even if we had nasty stereotypes taught to us about them - because we were constantly around people from other countries. By the time I was in middle school I think I knew how to swear in Korean, Italian, Spanish and Hindi, LOL. A lot of slang from different languages were part of normal speech for everyone - like everyone knew what mangia or schmuck meant. We ate a lot of food from other countries. When I was in school we had to know every country in every continent and be able to fill them in on maps - we were tested on that. As well as all the USA states and capitals, and all the Canadian provinces. I remember hating those maps, LOL.

Same. Except we weren't terribly big on the world geography. There were several consecutive years of Geography classes where they would shove economics and production of local regions down our throats, so we had to memorize where every republic and every region within Russia was located and be able to, at the least, point it out on the map real quick, but later on, straight up draw the whole country with divisions on a white fucking sheet, complete with capitals. There are 85 federal subjects :max: 

We had Russian hist and World hist every year but  Russia was obviously the primary concern. The most disturbing thing is the way they teach about WWII. We started Hist in 6th grade, had it every year up to the very end. Out of those six years, there were four, I think, that we spent either meditating over the WWII events, or at least brushing up on them. I'm plain sick of that war. Our teacher was kinda seasoned and had a sense of humor, so she did the whole thing with irony, but the books and the movies were hella fucking patriotic about it. It's the same damn story about the bloody heroism of the great Russian nation over and over again. 

History classes in all countries are more or less nation-centered. Unless people study history at university, do some reading by themselves or live in an open-minded environment that stimulates them and allows them to know other peoples' history and culture, they likely live all their life believing that their country is the best and all the wars it participated were noble and justified or someone else's fault. In general, though, people in smaller countries who have some education are more self-aware that they are not the center of the world and have more knowledge of international politics.

In Greece even modern Greek and European history curricula are problematic. More recent subjects like WWII and the Cold War are not taught properly and in the extent they should (we have the opposite problem here). As for world history subjects that are not Greek-related (Americas, China, Japan etc), they are merely non-existent in school history books.

All modern nations have founding myths and they revise and reinvent their past, which is reflected and recycled in history curricula. In Greece, for example, the common perception is that there is an uninterrupted continuance of Greek national history from Homer, ancient Greek city-states and Alexander the Great to the founding of the modern Greek state in 1830 (after a revolution and a war of independence), although in between there was Roman rule, the Christian Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium) and Ottoman-Turkish rule (and Venetian rule in some areas). Prior to the 18th century there wasn't a notion of nation, national identity and patriotism in the same sense as there are today. In medieval to early modern Europe there were ethnic groups, religious groups, fiefs, city-states, kingdoms, empires; people were fighting for the local ruler, their king (who sometimes was of different origin and didn't even speak the same language), the Pope etc. or they were raising against them. Nonetheless, all these are considered a given part of each country's national history. There are also controversies and changes of views regarding various issues and historical periods that affect how they are taught at school; e.g. the place of minorities and different ethnic groups in each country's "official" national history, civil wars, prior conflicts and relations with neighboring countries, how colonialism in Britain and France, the Nazi era in Germany, the recent past in ex-"socialist" countries (I put it in quotes because I don't consider them to have been really such, let alone communist) are dealt with, whether there is a "European" identity and who is entitled to be part of it, etc.

11 hours ago, Asia said:

I actually find this pretty funny cause it's as if the people in the communist countries had chosen to live within that system while it wasn't the case in any single one of them. The Russians themselves had abolutely nothing to say, not to mention the other countries that were simply traded to Stalin by the American president himself in the first place. So lots of hipocrisy there but then again, that's politics.

The first part in bold is a hyperbole. As for the second part, the case of Poland cannot be generalized to apply to all other countries as the sole factor for them having been part of the "eastern bloc" (even the conditions under which the "trading" took place are disputed).

11 hours ago, killuridols said:

I don't know what's so :jerkoff: .... I'm just tripping :rofl-lol: because I have nothing interesting to say. My country is awful and we suck :unsure:

And I'm not invited to the All European party @dgnr  is organizing because I'm a paria here in the Women's thread :max:. You people must think we get our food with arch and arrow :rofl-lol:

Your country is great. As I said before, there is a lot of love for your culture and South American culture in general here. :wub: Borges, Marquez, Neruda... and the music are very much appreciated. 

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End of O/T, back to GnR related topics :)

9 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Aaaanndd GNR fans are moaning how Axl sounds so much better for AC/DC :lol:

I am watching periscope streams now and damn, Axl killed it. I have to admit that he sounds somewhat better with AC/DC overall (not that he doesn't sound great with GnR as well.) :unsure: I tend to believe that he was really possessed by Bon Scott's ghost or he has made a deal with the devil. :lol: Seriously, I think the reason is the songs themselves and rehearsals (he doesn't do this that much with GnR :( ).

 

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8 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

To be honest though, not looking too much at his feet tonight, he looks hot right now :drool:

Exactly. There was something about him last night that made me wanna lock @killuridols in a cupboard and eat him by myself :smiley-confused2:

:rofl-lol::rofl-lol::rofl-lol:

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@Blackstar I agree, about Axls vocals being better for AC/DC. I can't put my finger on why atm, it's something that's puzzling me. In my mind, there's no reason why Thunderstruck vox can't be applied to YCBM and PC in particular. He did it in 2010, and that there might be the over all thing, I can totally accept Axl not wanting to push his voice to that limit show after show with guns, and end up with his throat in shreds again. Whilst he probably thinks it's ok to push it to its limits for short runs with AC/DC, because let's face it, there's a lot more on him to nail those songs and with an audience who don't necessarily like him much too. 

Thats just one of my thoughts. But I don't think it fully explains all, there's got to be other factors that are in play too. 

I also think the AC/DC sound system and engineers are better than GnRs :shrugs:

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2 hours ago, Blackstar said:

I am watching periscope streams now and damn, I have to admit that Axl sounds better with AC/DC :unsure: I tend to believe that he was really possessed by Bon Scott's ghost or he has made a deal with the devil. :lol: Seriously, I think the reason is the songs themselves and rehearsals (unfortunately he doesn't do this that much with GnR :( ).

You know how Axl is always good on My Michelle and does amazing screams? He is great in the higher register and ACDC's songs are high and they don't change, GNR songs have more "variety" in their range ans there are change in the songs itself, i don't think is a rehearsal problem, AC/DC didn't rehearse that much, they flubbed Live Wire and the problem wasn't Axl, it may be that he push himself more but there are difference between ACDC and GNR, AC/DC songs suits his voice better now imo :lol:

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21 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

Exactly. There was something about him last night that made me wanna lock @killuridols in a cupboard and eat him by myself :smiley-confused2:

:rofl-lol::rofl-lol::rofl-lol:

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I was wrong about those boots, it's the usual death trap ones. Got nothing nice to say about them things. 

Not too shabby looking over all last night :) 

 

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6 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I was wrong about those boots, it's the usual death trap ones. Got nothing nice to say about them things. 

Not too shabby looking over all last night :) 

 

Yeah, I hate the boots but at least he doesn't run that much with ACDC. On the other hand I'd love to see the fans' reaction if he did his Mr.Brownstone moves :rofl-lol:

I must admit that as much as I love GNR, I really missed the AXLDC thing. I wish both of the projects could continue. Hope Axl will be ok once his ACDC job is over, it is always hard when something you love comes to an end. I can't stop watching how happy he looks with both bands this year, it makes my cold Czech heart happy :heart:

Funny thing. I've read a bit of the acdc forum and it seems to me that the rest of the band was more criticized than Axl last night :rofl-lol:

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3 hours ago, Epson said:

Armenia :)

Im not the only one Asian on here :headbang:

6 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

 

Funny thing. I've read a bit of the acdc forum and it seems to me that the rest of the band was more criticized than Axl last night :rofl-lol:

Wht They said?

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9 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

Wht They said?

Axl was good, the problems were the batterist and amazingly enough, Angus' solo.

Axl looked very good but Grandpa Angus should burn the boots.

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2 minutes ago, giuls said:

Axl was good, the problems were the batterist and amazingly enough, Angus' solo.

Axl looked very good but Grandpa Angus should burn the boots.

Really They even talk about the boots too? 

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7 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

Really They even talk about the boots too? 

No, that was my thought, the first line are the thoughts of the ACDC fans

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1 hour ago, giuls said:

You know how Axl is always good on My Michelle and does amazing screams? He is great in the higher register and ACDC's songs are high and they don't change, GNR songs have more "variety" in their range ans there are change in the songs itself, i don't think is a rehearsal problem, AC/DC didn't rehearse that much, they flubbed Live Wire and the problem wasn't Axl, it may be that he push himself more but there are difference between ACDC and GNR, AC/DC songs suits his voice better now imo :lol:

Yes, this has been my opinion as well and I have supported it on threads where there was a debate about Axl's voice, for example:

On 19/08/2016 at 11:30 PM, Blackstar said:

I'm in the minority that doesn't consider the raspless versions of November Rain and Estranged bad; raspless doesn't necessarily equal to "mickey-ish". It's just another way to sing these songs. Axl could have originally chosen to sing NR with clean voice back in the day (or like LALD or Patience for example), but he chose to sing it with rasp. As for the second part of Estranged, this worn out voice somehow fits the song and its lyrics, taking into consideration that it's a 54 year old person singing "for all the changing seasons of my life" now and not a 30 year old. That said, last night's Estranged wasn't the best of the tour imo. On the other hand, songs like PC don't sound good without rasp.

I also think that Axl did equally well with the AC/DC Bon Scott material (if not better) as with the Brian Johnson songs. And I don't agree at all with the "Axl puts more rasp (or effort in general)with AC/DC than with GnR" theory. For example:

- AC/DC: Back in black, Thunderstruck, Hell's Bells --> full rasp, GnR: Nightrain, Out Ta Get Me, Jungle --> full rasp

- AC/DC: High Voltage, You Shook Me All Night Long, Dirty Deeds --> mix of clean and rasp, GnR: Rocket Queen, You Could Be Mine --> same. The impression that Axl sounded better on this type of AC/DC songs than on the GnR ones comes from the simple fact that there's not an old recording or live performance of him on AC/DC songs (with the exception of Rosie) to compare.

Then there are other GnR songs, like Yesterdays and the ballads, which are of a completely different style than any AC/DC song and there can't be any comparison.

But I don't know, maybe it was just the impression I got or my enthusiasm while I was watching the streams that puzzled me :unsure: Still, I think he sounded very good with GnR.

13 hours ago, Frey said:

Yeah, I think it is. findagrave.com is a pretty reliable source usually. There's also another picture there saying it's the Tippecanoe county cemetery. Which is where they used to throw Axl into jail all the time if I remember correctly lol. Tippecanoe county jail rings a bell in connection with Axl at least.

And I know he is younger because it says so on the grave. :lol:  L. Stephen Bailey, born Nov 7 1947. No date of death yet because the guy is still alive, just like the girl who stalks Amy on facebook said. Axl's mom was born in March 1945, making her the older one of the two.

The rest of the data at a findagrave.com also tells us that

- Axl's mom was 16 (nearly 17) when she had Axl

- Axl's mom married his biological father shortly before Axl was born (December 1961). Maybe she was forced to marry him so the child wouldn't be born a "bastard".

- Axl's mom married his stepfather in January 1966.

Which means that Axl was 3 years old (nearly 4) when that guy came into his life (though he was probably around before that already).

Also means that Axl's stepfather had only just turned 18 (!) when he married Axl's mom, who was 20 at the time (soon to be 21 in March).

So you've got a young woman on her second marriage already, a most likely difficult/traumatized toddler and an 18 year old step father with religious delusions. Sounds like a recipe for disaster.

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I had visited findagrave.com a while ago when we were discussing about Axl's parents, but I think there wasn't a close up picture or maybe I hadn't noticed it. Btw, I find it a little creepy that there are websites like this (and far-fetched, to say the least, that police in America put people's mugshots on plain view on the internet; not just celebrities', but all average Joes' mugshots) .

Probably Stephen Bailey's family of religious fanatics made him marry a "repented sinner woman" as a good christian deed.

And yes, it was Tippecanoe county jail Axl was thrown in:

Tippecanoe County Court records indicate that Axl spent a total of ten days in county jail as an adult over a period from July 1980 through September 1982, on charges of battery, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, public intoxication, criminal trespass, and mischief.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=7

I remember Axl saying that he had spent another three months in jail when he was underage (I suppose it was in a juvenile jail). I read in Stephen Davis's book that it happened because Axl's parents had refused to pay his fines from previous sentences. I don't know what Davis's source is because he doesn't cite his sources (he has only a catalog at the end of the book), but if it's true, it was very cruel :facepalm:

Related to this, I was reserved about the "habitual criminal" thing Axl had said. I know that in some American states the laws are very harsh and for example the system allows even 12-year-olds to be tried as adults in some occasions, but I couldn't believe that a juvenile kid could face a long time prison sentence because of a few arrests for misdemeanors like drinking in public and trespassing. After a quick search, I found that there are indeed such laws. :wow:

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15 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Beta is arguing with AC/DC fans now. :facepalm:

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Had enough of TB

I just need more/higher dose of Slaxl right now :max:

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7 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

Axl should get a haircut. A bowl-cut.

"Reminds Me of childhood memories~"

 

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