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1 hour ago, Frey said:

Beta's on a roll. I nearly wish she would come here again. I'm sad I missed out on her losing her shit over here.

 

Also saw this in the Slash's house thread. So this is the chick that Perla attacked? :D

I always wondered about that incident. Looks like Slash like 'em curvy (because I have no doubt Slash did something with her that pissed Perla off. Otherwise Perla wouldn't have reacted so violently when she saw her and Slash has a history of cheating on his women.)

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Yay Slash! Glad he's open-minded enough to accept more than size 0 chicks!

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1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

I didn't know much about Beta and TB before reading and posting on these boards. I can't believe what she's doing. This kind of "protection" is the last thing Axl needs; it's really embarrassing. And they have been doing this all these years... :angry:

I have defended other things that TB has done, but I can't defend this one. I actually get that those comments would make someone mad, and it's always really tempting to answer...but this always backfires in a major way.

As for modding out the negative comments, though, I guess one would have to go back and look at AC/DC's social media before Axl to see how that was handled. A lot of pages take a very heavy hand toward moderating out nasty comments now, whether that's to cut down on possible online harassment or abuse or stop flame wars. If you've ever moderated a Facebook business page, you can actually create a banned work list and stop people from commenting with those words. Given the amount of online harassment some people face, I can't condemn that (anyone who doubts this, Google Leslie Jones and see what she's dealing with right now).

I don't think GnR's own social media or individual pages are modded that way, so that particular thing could have nothing to do with Beta/TB. They might have modded out the comments to keep things from escalating further.

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9 minutes ago, stella said:

Yay Slash! Glad he's open-minded enough to accept more than size 0 chicks!

That's a very positive way to look at the whole incident :lol:

But yeah, he seems to be the opposite of Axl when it comes to that. Who was that chick again that said Axl told her not to bring her friend because she was too fat? :rolleyes:

Actually the original lyrics of PC should have told us that already. "Where the girls are fat and got big titties"? Wasn't Slash responsible for that? If that's his idea of paradise city, then well :D

 

2 minutes ago, stella said:

I have defended other things that TB has done, but I can't defend this one. I actually get that those comments would make someone mad, and it's always really tempting to answer...but this always backfires in a major way.

I don't know, I'm actually not that shocked. I mean it's lame and unprofessional and cringeworthy, but hasn't she done much worse in the past?

Unfortunately I wasn't there to witness any of it, but from what I've read here and in other places, she's attacked fans on social media before (we owe the "Complaints, complaints, complaints!" forum joke to her for example), she has posted and insulted people here on this forum, she has sent nasty messages to mods, she's responsible for the censorship at HTGTH and apparently does the same with ACDC's social media now.

I remember she even insulted and got mad at people who weren't even attacking her or saying anything bad because her grasp of the English language is a bit tenuous and she completely misunderstood what they were saying :facepalm:

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34 minutes ago, stella said:

I have defended other things that TB has done, but I can't defend this one. I actually get that those comments would make someone mad, and it's always really tempting to answer...but this always backfires in a major way.

There will always be comments like these. It's unavoidable. Right now they are a small percentage on either GnR or AC/DC related social media. (And as far AC/DC goes, it's understandable that the fans miss their singer and they don't want to see someone else; I would feel the same in their place). But even when nasty and mean comments are the majority, like in the past, these tactics make things worse. Without getting into what has being discussed here about stuff they did all these years and if they were helpful to Axl, in plain management terms the handling is amateurish, to say the least.

18 minutes ago, Frey said:

That's a very positive way to look at the whole incident :lol:

But yeah, he seems to be the opposite of Axl when it comes to that. Who was that chick again that said Axl told her not to bring her friend because she was too fat? :rolleyes:

Actually the original lyrics of PC should have told us that already. "Where the girls are fat and got big titties"? Wasn't Slash responsible for that? If that's his idea of paradise city, then well :D

I would add that Slash is much more into Bon Scott's spirit (Whole Lotta Rosie) than Axl :lol:

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4 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

There will always be comments like these. It's unavoidable. Right now they are a small percentage on either GnR or AC/DC related social media. (And as far AC/DC goes, it's understandable that the fans miss their singer; I would feel the same in their place). But even when nasty and mean comments are the majority, like in the past, these tactics make things worse. Without getting into what has being discussed here about stuff they did all these years and if they were helpful to Axl, in plain management terms the handling is amateurish, to say the least.

 

That I would agree with. Managers usually caution people NOT to engage with fans in this way on social media, they don't do it themselves...

And yeah, haters gonna hate, no matter who or what the subject is. Having said that I don't blame pages or websites which have very heavy moderation or have turned off comments altogether.

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21 minutes ago, Frey said:

That's a very positive way to look at the whole incident :lol:

But yeah, he seems to be the opposite of Axl when it comes to that. Who was that chick again that said Axl told her not to bring her friend because she was too fat? :rolleyes:

Actually the original lyrics of PC should have told us that already. "Where the girls are fat and got big titties"? Wasn't Slash responsible for that? If that's his idea of paradise city, then well :D

 

I don't know, I'm actually not that shocked. I mean it's lame and unprofessional and cringeworthy, but hasn't she done much worse in the past?

Unfortunately I wasn't there to witness any of it, but from what I've read here and in other places, she's attacked fans on social media before (we owe the "Complaints, complaints, complaints!" forum joke to her for example), she has posted and insulted people here on this forum, she has sent nasty messages to mods, she's responsible for the censorship at HTGTH and apparently does the same with ACDC's social media now.

I remember she even insulted and got mad at people who weren't even attacking her or saying anything bad because her grasp of the English language is a bit tenuous and she completely misunderstood what they were saying :facepalm:

You know, when you said it, I think I remember hearing that about the "Paradise City" lyrics, and that Slash actually shouted them out over Axl at at least one show. :D

As for Axl not wanting someone there because she was too fat...*facepalm* That's pretty awful.

I actually didn't know that there was this kind of conflict with TB on social media, to be honest. I didn't post or read here very much before the MyGNR management change, and the only comment I remember seeing from Beta was a positive one (someone had caught Axl's Paradise City microphone and security had taken it away from him...and Beta had said something along the lines that the mic was for the audience members and security wasn't supposed to take it away. IIRC the poster actually was sent a new mic signed by Axl). That's uncool if there's been that sort of arguing happening.


 

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6 minutes ago, ACDC8 said:

Ok, a bit off-topic the current Alpha (ha!) discussion and I usually never post anything here (this is my 3rd post I think) BUT CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL AXL:

1. Stop whitening your teeth. Yes, health teeth and gums are great but they're starting too look just way too artificial. You're don't need that.

2. Mike Amiri is rocking on his collections but you don't need to follow every-single-advise/suggestion he gives to you: tightening a plaid shirt (or any shirt) on your waist and leaving your t-shirt on the top just makes your waist to look larger - just give a break to those shirts or wear/tight them as you used to do before (you knew how to do it way before anyone else here, including Mike). 

3. We love the idea of you letting your hair to grow again but we will love you the same way even if you decide to go bald. Please get a Brazilian Blow-Dry or whatever is trendy to calm down the frizzy hair. There are a lot of great products out there - you have so many models around you that should know it better, but apparently (and sorry for the honestly) they either don't really care about you and only say whatever you will like to hear. 

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We care about you, Axl. Like, really-really-really care - and you don't have to pay a penny for us to care about you (oops, sorry TB). So if anyone says anything... and you want someone who wants the best for you... listen to some of your real fans.

 

 

4. Stop wearing the horrible boots and wear the sneakers again. Fashion aside, it's all about your health and safety. Don't forget what you were wearing when you broke your foot in Troubadour and what has caused many of your falls on stage in the past. We know how much you love running and dancing, so you should wear a good pair of shoes that let you do all of these activities without any limitation.

5. Keep it simple. No excessive shirts, jackets, hats, accessory. You are not a clothes hanger. 

 

Footnote:

I can imagine if we ever met Axl we would definitely wanna talk about his music, his hobbies, his life, his look, his plans. We would talk to him like someone who cares and who wants the best for him. We would probably bring out topics he wouldn't want to talk about. This is something that can never happen with all those models who have no idea who he is. Maybe that's one of the reasons he spends his time with them rather than with  the real fans :smiley-confused2:

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Actually, I'd tell Axl the same thing I'd tell anyone else: that nobody else has a right to tell them what they should or shouldn't wear, how to do their hair or anything else.

Do what makes YOU feel good. Wear the clothes that feel comfortable to you, regardless of what anyone else thinks about them. Do what you want with your own hair and teeth - grow your hair out, look like Richard Simmons, bring back the cornrows, bring back the 80s style, shave your head, whatever the fuck YOU want. Wear as much or as little makeup as YOU like. Dress and look however you fucking want. It's your body and your life. If you want to change something, talk to the people YOU want to talk to about it. The boots do scare some of us, because we don't want you to fall again, but it's still your choice.

Fuck whatever anyone else will say about what you *should* do with your appearance, whether they're fans or not. 

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17 minutes ago, Jane M. said:

@Frey Who's Madison? 

:popcorn:

 

She used to be a mod here. And a very unpopular one because she banned tons of people and shit. Then she managed to get Axl and TB mad at her with the bullshit stories she spread around (about Slash shirts being forbidden at concerts) and got fired. Or something like that at least, from what I understand. I wasn't there to witness any of that.

Madison is also the chick that Axl's famous rant here on mygnr was directed at. You know, the "angry lesbian wannabe high school parking lot rent-a-cop" one.

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2 minutes ago, Frey said:

She used to be a mod here. And a very unpopular one because she banned tons of people and shit. Then she managed to get Axl and TB mad at her with the bullshit stories she spread (about Slash shirts being forbidden at concerts) and got fired. Or something like that from what I understand. I wasn't there to witness any of that.

Madison is the chick that Axl's famous rant here on mygnr was directed at. You know, the "angry lesbian wannabe high school parking lot rent-a-cop" one.

I need to do some research and learn all about that drama.

Thanks!

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Thanks for posting all of that Frey!  I had heard of this Madison character and her exchanges with Axl but did not know Beta was involved. Of course not at all surprised about that. As far as her blocking stuff, I'm sure she does a a lot of that which is sad cause he has a right to see ALL good and bad. 

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6 minutes ago, marlingrl03 said:

Thanks for posting all of that Frey!  I had heard of this Madison character and her exchanges with Axl but did not know Beta was involved. Of course not at all surprised about that. As far as her blocking stuff, I'm sure she does a a lot of that which is sad cause he has a right to see ALL good and bad. 

After Axl posted his angry little rant and people started attacking him, he basically left and let his mommy deal with the fall-out. And he hasn't been back since.

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24 minutes ago, Frey said:

She used to be a mod here. And a very unpopular one because she banned tons of people and shit. Then she managed to get Axl and TB mad at her with the bullshit stories she spread around (about Slash shirts being forbidden at concerts) and got fired. Or something like that at least, from what I understand. I wasn't there to witness any of that.

Madison is also the chick that Axl's famous rant here on mygnr was directed at. You know, the "angry lesbian wannabe high school parking lot rent-a-cop" one.

Yes, and she had a way of trying to impose her values (which were very conservative) on others and slamming those who disagreed with her in very unkind ways. I did not agree with some of what Axl said to her in his rant - using 'lesbian' as a slur - but quite honestly I was kind of glad someone told her off and that she was relieved of her mod duties. I actually never tangled with her personally, but the way she acted and went after people was honestly one of the reasons I found this site unappealing until the changeover.

To be honest, I don't have a problem in the least with what Beta said in this particular PM. She was telling M that the accusation was so serious that they were getting media calls about it - and for any manager, getting calls from TMZ over some bullshit story that someone posted online is a pain in the ass at the very least. And M's response was the same BS she spouted here a lot- that she was always right, no matter what anyone else said.

http://s557.photobucket.com/user/FreyGNR/media/beta/EZ2M902_zpsywnttwu1.jpg.html.

The second one? Yikes.

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49 minutes ago, Frey said:

She used to be a mod here. And a very unpopular one because she banned tons of people and shit. Then she managed to get Axl and TB mad at her with the bullshit stories she spread around (about Slash shirts being forbidden at concerts) and got fired. Or something like that at least, from what I understand. I wasn't there to witness any of that.

Madison is also the chick that Axl's famous rant here on mygnr was directed at. You know, the "angry lesbian wannabe high school parking lot rent-a-cop" one.

Madison was here earlier this year, made several posts at the height of the threeunion announcement. And then, she was gone. Just like that. POOF.

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4 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

OMG!!! This is seriously embarrassing for Axls management to be doing this on AC/DC page :facepalm: 

Theres no need for this at all, there's so many positive comments too. It's sad. 

How can people think these idiots are good for Axl? 

I agree with the embarrassing thing, but on the other hand I think that maybe it´s something that pleases Axl: be protected by someone. (We all know that he has/had an issue with that).

I doubt she publish all these comments if would upset Axl ; I´m not saying he is in accordance with these insults, but maybe doesn´t bother him if she writes on AC-DC  social networks.

For some reason Beta has been at his side for two decades, there is a time...

 

 
 

 

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1 hour ago, Frey said:

After Axl posted his angry little rant and people started attacking him, he basically left and let his mommy deal with the fall-out. And he hasn't been back since.

Sh*t, I wish He will back. Just go to the Women's thread, @Dexter ! :headbang: 

oops :smiley-confused2:

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I dove straight in onto the last page on this thread after logging in...didn't realize what had been posted two pages prev. 

OH.MY.GAWD (saying it in the tone by Janice from Friends) what was Beta smokin' when she posted those responses? Truly NOT helping the situation at all. If she honestly needed to defend Axl or AC/DC at all with their decision of hiring Axl, at least try making light of the criticism and taking a high road way of responding. People'll respect you more in the end. SMH. :facepalm:

OMG again and again and again. :facepalm:

Taking jabs at shitty comments from fans who still live in 1970s or 1980s can (though not advisable) be done in the right forum...which is the GN'R related pages of FB page. NOT on another band's official page WHILE that said band is also your frontman's paymaster.

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1 hour ago, Frey said:

After Axl posted his angry little rant and people started attacking him, he basically left and let his mommy deal with the fall-out. And he hasn't been back since.

Wow...that's too bad. What a shame. :(

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5 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

Sh*t, I wish He will back. Just go to the Women's thread, @Dexter ! :headbang: 

oops :smiley-confused2:

 

44 minutes ago, Juliette said:

I agree with the embarrassing thing, but on the other hand I think that maybe it´s something that pleases Axl: be protected by someone. (We all know that he has/had an issue with that).

I doubt she publish all these comments if would upset Axl ; I´m not saying he is in accordance with these insults, but maybe doesn´t bother him if she writes on AC-DC  social networks.

For some reason Beta has been at his side for two decades, there is a time...

To be fair, and I say this through experience w/friends, a lot of those who can afford to do so have social media management that filters the nasty stuff out. Reading one's own social media is not advised for a lot of famous people because of all the disgusting and threatening things that are said to them. And while we can sit back and say, "it's just an online comment," reading death threats/slurs against one's race/gender/sexuality/appearance/etc. all day long will get to anyone. Some celebrities literally get this shit thrown at them all day long. So even if they do answer and post, they also may have someone sifting through the bullshit.

It's really not very different from having assistants go through fan mail sent by snail mail so the disturbing and threatening letters are filtered out.

Being a social media manager's a real job now, and part of that job is to get the garbage off the social media page AND prevent it from directly affecting the celeb.

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12 minutes ago, stella said:

 

To be fair, and I say this through experience w/friends, a lot of those who can afford to do so have social media management that filters the nasty stuff out. Reading one's own social media is not advised for a lot of famous people because of all the disgusting and threatening things that are said to them. And while we can sit back and say, "it's just an online comment," reading death threats/slurs against one's race/gender/sexuality/appearance/etc. all day long will get to anyone. Some celebrities literally get this shit thrown at them all day long. So even if they do answer and post, they also may have someone sifting through the bullshit.

It's really not very different from having assistants go through fan mail sent by snail mail so the disturbing and threatening letters are filtered out.

Being a social media manager's a real job now, and part of that job is to get the garbage off the social media page AND prevent it from directly affecting the celeb.

OT for a moment here.

I've noticed this over the years of being online, where people, famous or not, who have their presence online out there in the public, getting death threats posted on their personal websites by other readers when they wrote opinions or views opposed to that of the readers. And the victims naturally would deactivate or shut down their sites, citing death threats among the reasons. I've always wondered what the fudge?? 

I've always wondered whether these accusations (receiving death threats) were real, or made up by the victims (TBH I've read them per se when they were posted, only read reasons as to why certain sites or pages were being deactivated). Or the threats were really posted, but the posters didn't really mean them, just typing away in the heat of anger but not seriously meaning to threaten the person?

Putting myself in the abusers shoes, I'm trying to make out...why would I threaten to kill someone I don't personally know in real life (not that I've ever threatened to kill or hurt anyone I know LOL) just due to opposing views? Do some people REALLY have nothing beneficial to spend their time with? 

Maybe it's just me ha ha...my hands are quite full with my daily life routine that I don't really have time to spare much for things that are not personally related to me..just like I don't have the time to follow celebs' social media pages or dig deeper into their personal lives stories. 

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30 minutes ago, cheesecake said:

OT for a moment here.

I've noticed this over the years of being online, where people, famous or not, who have their presence online out there in the public, getting death threats posted on their personal websites by other readers when they wrote opinions or views opposed to that of the readers. And the victims naturally would deactivate or shut down their sites, citing death threats among the reasons. I've always wondered what the fudge?? 

I've always wondered whether these accusations (receiving death threats) were real, or made up by the victims (TBH I've read them per se when they were posted, only read reasons as to why certain sites or pages were being deactivated). Or the threats were really posted, but the posters didn't really mean them, just typing away in the heat of anger but not seriously meaning to threaten the person?

Putting myself in the abusers shoes, I'm trying to make out...why would I threaten to kill someone I don't personally know in real life (not that I've ever threatened to kill or hurt anyone I know LOL) just due to opposing views? Do some people REALLY have nothing beneficial to spend their time with? 

Maybe it's just me ha ha...my hands are quite full with my daily life routine that I don't really have time to spare much for things that are not personally related to me..just like I don't have the time to follow celebs' social media pages or dig deeper into their personal lives stories. 

Quite often there are real police reports behind these, and people have cancelled appearances at public events because of these threats. There's a writer who recently went offline because people were leaving rape threats against her FIVE YEAR OLD DAUGHTER and posting very specific information on where she lived and where her child went to school. There are others who have had to actually move because they've been threatened so much. There's doxxing. And more.

Usually the protocol is to save the tweet/post (screenshot, print a paper copy) so there's evidence for the authorities if needed; block, report, and then hide or delete it. So you often *don't* see them after the fact.

It's a very, very real problem. Some examples:

http://www.tmz.com/2014/02/03/mia-talerico-disney-death-threats-good-luck-charlie/

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/08/a-timeline-of-leslie-joness-horrific-online-abuse.html

http://tinyurl.com/gtzybvy

You're right that most people who leave death and rape threats probably have no intention of carrying them out, and there are those who do this all day long for the lulz...but given the number of celebrities who HAVE been stalked or killed, if you were faced with that all day long, would YOU brush it off?

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4 hours ago, stella said:

I have defended other things that TB has done, but I can't defend this one. I actually get that those comments would make someone mad, and it's always really tempting to answer...but this always backfires in a major way.

As for modding out the negative comments, though, I guess one would have to go back and look at AC/DC's social media before Axl to see how that was handled. A lot of pages take a very heavy hand toward moderating out nasty comments now, whether that's to cut down on possible online harassment or abuse or stop flame wars. If you've ever moderated a Facebook business page, you can actually create a banned work list and stop people from commenting with those words. Given the amount of online harassment some people face, I can't condemn that (anyone who doubts this, Google Leslie Jones and see what she's dealing with right now).

I don't think GnR's own social media or individual pages are modded that way, so that particular thing could have nothing to do with Beta/TB. They might have modded out the comments to keep things from escalating further.

None of the things said there are "nasty comments". It is just fans of Brian saying they miss him and others saying they dont like Axl's voice. None of that deserves to be deleted or dealt with the way Beta did it.

AC/DC IS NOT AXL's BAND and their social media should be handled by whoever is hired to do that. This person should not be told to delete negative comments about Axl, as long as they are not difamatory, derogatory or nasty, as you said. Beta has no saying on this, though. She's NOT the manager of AC/DC (or is she trying to get this job too?) and she should not have ANY saying with their social media or fans.

This behavior is unacceptable in every single way. There's no sugarcoating of what she's done because she's just plain RUDE.

Even if she wanted to say something (which is not recommend but let's pretend she can't help it), that vulgar language she has used really tells a lot about her personality and how she behaves in public. A manager shouldnt be insulting people on the Internet, calling them "assholes", "idiots" and "illness".

She's representing an artist and a band. Her behavior should be examplary. She swears like a sailor, she's rude and unprofessional. A woman her age should know way better than this.

3 hours ago, Andy14 said:

Footnote:

I can imagine if we ever met Axl we would definitely wanna talk about his music, his hobbies, his life, his look, his plans. We would talk to him like someone who cares and who wants the best for him. We would probably bring out topics he wouldn't want to talk about. This is something that can never happen with all those models who have no idea who he is. Maybe that's one of the reasons he spends his time with them rather than with  the real fans :smiley-confused2:

Maybe he's not that intellectual as we like to think he is.

With the models he talks about booze, parties, night clubs, sexual positions and sexual toys. That's all I can think about they have in common. :rolleyes:

3 hours ago, stella said:

Actually, I'd tell Axl the same thing I'd tell anyone else: that nobody else has a right to tell them what they should or shouldn't wear, how to do their hair or anything else.

Do what makes YOU feel good. Wear the clothes that feel comfortable to you, regardless of what anyone else thinks about them. Do what you want with your own hair and teeth - grow your hair out, look like Richard Simmons, bring back the cornrows, bring back the 80s style, shave your head, whatever the fuck YOU want. Wear as much or as little makeup as YOU like. Dress and look however you fucking want. It's your body and your life. If you want to change something, talk to the people YOU want to talk to about it. The boots do scare some of us, because we don't want you to fall again, but it's still your choice.

Fuck whatever anyone else will say about what you *should* do with your appearance, whether they're fans or not. 

He's an artist and I think he should look good. He always has looked great and he cared about that.

Giving advice on styling has nothing to do with telling him or imposing views on him.

There are fashion experts who can help you with your clothing when you dont know how to do it.

It is very hard to style yourself; someone with an outside look can help a lot.

He evidently cares about his fashion and looks. Otherwise, he'd just put on a simple jeans and tshirt.

But this man has tons of clothes, bags full of jeans, jackets, tshirts and hats.

 

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Oh please, stop making a world out of this issue. :facepalm:

There was NO DEATH THREAT in those comments or anything remotely close to that.

I don't know why there are people here trying to justify what this woman has done.

Why? has she promised you backstage passes??

lol, like she's gonna keep her word :facepalm:

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