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4 hours ago, killuridols said:

He was invited and he cares about the Chinese culture. Also because it was a place filled with fans, instead of journalists. More relaxed context I'd say.

Glad to know you're gonna purchase CD :heart: It is a beautiful album, IMO and it has some really beautiful and intriguing songs.

It's the type of album that needs some effort from the listener to be understood. It took me a while to like it as a whole. It took me a great while to get into each song and find a meaning for myself.

There are so many things to discover from it and at times I feel disoriented, mostly because Axl never talked properly about it or openly about it and I wish he would explain us more things. He promised explanations for "when the moment is right" but that moment has never come yet :(

And I also wish they would have released the booklets posted here by @Lumikki some pages ago, instead of the simplified one most of us got. In the begging that artwork was kind of shocking to me, some stuff still is, but it is very intriguing and thought provoking. I'd really love to know more about all that, I just don't know how to get that info.

I hate to say it, but us fans wrecked that, Axl explaining CD to us.

He came here after its release, he really wanted to talk about it, all the artwork and song lyrics and everything, but we didn't really fully take advantage of it at the time :( 

There was so much questioning about the old band, most people just kept going on and on about that and Slash and reunion. I watched all of those chats as they happened, what's in the archives isn't a true representation of what actually went on. Because it had the questions picked out rather than what people kept on posting at him. When people were posting questions, it was "the band name" "slash" "tour" "reunion" and loads of other random shit. 

Its understandable that is what fans wanted to know about, I know I did. But it would have been nice to put that to one side for a bit and talk to him about what he came here to talk about. I think we would have gotten a lot out of him about that album. Even though it's not my favourite I would have loved to know more. 

He did end up answering a fair bit about CD, we could've got a lot more. To be fair he tried his best to answer all questions. I wish he would do that again. 

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Okay, IRS, let's try.

IRS is the taxes agency so him calling the IRS tells me he thinks the person "stole" money from him or they're profiting out of Axl in some way.

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Wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong
Wouldn't be the last I'm sure I've known
With all the rumors I could tell
Somethings didn't work so well

He was wrong about this person and they left him for better things but rumours said it wasn't going so well (him thinking Stephanie was the one and her legal troubles or Slash, the famous "I'll still be your friend" and his drug troubles, him relapsing during VR?)

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As when you first told me you were gone
So long ago but I still held on
Through all the motions the love and the sex
And that's the truth, and here's the worst yet

Would it even mattered the things that I'd say
You made your mind up and gone anyway
And there's no use now in dragging it on
Should've seen it coming all along

 

This give me Stephanie vibe, even if the last verse could apply to Slash, let's not get carried away :lol: t's Stephanie, she cheated, she could have said more than once she was going away but it wasn't meant to be and she actually left Axl no matter what he'd say.

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Gonna make this a federal case
Gonna wave it right down in your face
Read it baby with your morning news
With a sweet hangover and the headlines too

He feels like they shitted on him (the famous lawsuit?) and Stephanie has problems with substances or we can go the Slaxl route with the GNR lawsuit and Slash's addiction but i think he's talking about Stephanie.

 

 

1 hour ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I wish he would do that again. 

I would be very surprised if he will do an interview in a timely fashiom, a chat with us would be out of question, imo :lol:

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1 hour ago, Slash787 said:

Dizzy Reed as Guest DJ?

Well the End is near. 

To be fair, he's got more talent than he's given credit for. I'm not saying a word about his character or anything else, since I don't know much about him, but he actually can play when given a chance to do so. I saw Hookers N' Blow a bunch of years ago, and he was playing keyboards, singing, and playing guitar, and he was honestly pretty good. He and the other guys in the band were leaving the stage to get more booze at the bar DURING the show - literally just putting down their instruments, walking off to the bar and coming back onstage with it. Given that they were fucking off so much, I thought it was especially impressive how well they played. And that they were able to get themselves back on the stage without falling on their faces, since by the end of the show some of them seemed very drunk. LOL.

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3 minutes ago, stella said:

To be fair, he's got more talent than he's given credit for. I'm not saying a word about his character or anything else, since I don't know much about him, but he actually can play when given a chance to do so. I saw Hookers N' Blow a bunch of years ago, and he was playing keyboards, singing, and playing guitar, and he was honestly pretty good. He and the other guys in the band were leaving the stage to get more booze at the bar DURING the show - literally just putting down their instruments, walking off to the bar and coming back onstage with it. Given that they were fucking off so much, I thought it was especially impressive how well they played. And that they were able to get themselves back on the stage without falling on their faces, since by the end of the show some of them seemed very drunk. LOL.

Well he ruined one of my fav. songs, but well he gives me confidence to sing too, if he can, then why can't I?

 

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9 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:
12 hours ago, Frey said:

I haven't listened to that song in ages, give me some time to listen to it again and think about it lol

?? That's not a very specific question. There are a million things about Axl and Erin that have been discussed throughout this thread. I remember there was a lot of Erin talk especially in the beginning of the thread if you want to read up on that.

 

Anyway, since we had a lot of Izzy and Axl drama recently, look at what I came across. It's a post from the gnfnr forum, but still.

"Last night @axlrose tweeted: "Happy Birthday Izzy. I still love you," but he has since deleted the tweet. Why?"

http://www.gunsnfnroses.com/index.php?/topic/22156-axls-deleted-tweet/

Anyone remember this?

Did Axl really tell Izzy "I still love you" on twitter? Seems a bit too personal for Axl.

And why "still"? What did Izzy do to piss Axl off in 2013? :lol:

 

 

That is so cute! :wub:

9 hours ago, killuridols said:

dude it didnt happen :lol:

8 hours ago, killuridols said:

yeah, that forum likes to joke around with those things ;)

8 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

Sigh, N' here I am hoping tht tweet was true :max:

No, I think it's true.

GNFNR is a forum full of cupcakes, but they do have actual, serious threads too and discuss shit that is actually happening.

What makes me think this is true is that it wasn't brought up in trolish for the lolz sort of way with the focus being on the message, but rather by simply asking why Axl had deleted that tweet. Thread title was "Axl's deleted tweet".

The thread descended into the usual bullshit and bickering very quickly, but I think the original question was genuine.

9 hours ago, Axl Roses Future Wife said:

I'm 33 years old. In my pic I'm the one on the left and I'm completely unconditionally and irrevocably in love with Axl Rose! I've never wanted to get married before but Axl has changed all of that for me. It was the night I saw a Guns n Roses concert in Seattle over a month ago that my entire life changed. At the time being from Vancouver, BC I was more excited about visiting Seattle than the actual concert as I wasn't a huge GNR fan. I had heard of their music before and liked a few of their songs but that was it. I didn't know who the band mates were or what they looked like or anything about their past. I went to the concert with an open mind just hoping for a good time. I was sitting 11th row at the end of the aisle in the middle with an amazing view of the stage. When they came out and Axl started performing he immediately captivated me like no man has ever done before. I couldn't take my eyes off of him. And when his eyes met mine a couple times during the show my heart stopped. I felt a warm intoxicating rush throughout my whole body that I hadn't felt since high school. I knew I had just fallen in love with a man I knew nothing about. After the concert I spent days reading and watching everything I could about the invigorating frontman of Guns n Roses. Most women would have been turned off. The partying, drugs, abuse, tantrums, depression, seclusion, and selfishness. But not me. It was like I was looking at a kindred spirit and everything only made me love him more. To have gone through everything he did as a child and not only escape but make it so huge in the world that people start calling you God, was absolutely amazing to me and I applaud him for it. There's things that I'm not proud of and things I wish he never did but I will never take him any other way than the way he is and is meant to be. I love him endlessly. But I'm just a normal woman from Canada that he'll never know exists and I'll have to either spend my life alone or settle. And I don't want to settle. Not at all. So that's how I feel about Axl.  Just wanted you all to know that there is a normal woman out there who would be with and marry Axl Rose. ❤️ Much love to you all and thanks for taking the time to read this. 

... uuuhm :blink:

7 hours ago, killuridols said:

Do your magic @Frey :heart:

"I.R.S."

I've given this some serious thought, but that's a really tough one.

I think it's most likely a song about Erin or Steph, though I'm more inclined towards Erin (and I guess you could also technically read it as a song about Slash if you were more inclined that way :awesomeface:).

It seems like a very paranoid and stalkery type of song, with Axl referencing all these institutions he's gonna (or at least would like to if he could) call to help/assist him. You know what this reminds me of? Him harrassing and spying on Erin for years after they'd broken up.

Since it also sounds kind of bitter and threatening in places, I think it might be a really old song? With lyrics that were written in the 90s, while the court battles and everything were going on? Axl wrote that Oklahoma song during that time as well, might have been an "inspiring" time for him.

As when you first told me you were gone
So long ago but I stil held on

Through all the motions the love and the sex
And that's the truth and here's the worst yet
Would it even mattered the things that I'd say
You made your mind up and gone anyway

And there's no use now in draggin' it on
Shoulda seen it comin' all along

This is one of the main things that makes me think it's about Erin, because she made a very specific statement to Axl telling him he was never going to see her again and left. And of course the "So long ago but I still held on" part. Because we know Axl didn't give up on Erin for years after they separated. It also doesn't fit with Stephanie Seymour because Steph got pregnant and married pretty quickly after she and Axl split up. He'd be pretty dumb to keep holding out hope there then.

If the song is not about Erin or some other woman, my next best guess would be it's about the band breaking up and Slash leaving. Again, sounds like legal battles and fights going on (which Axl also had with Slash and the old band) and Axl painting himself as some poor guy who needs all the help he can get in this fight, but also admitting to faults of his own in places.

Lines that could be read as being about the band/Slash:

Wouldn't be the first time I been wrong (about carrying on alone, taking the band name, etc.)
Wouldn't be the last
I'm sure I've known
With all the rumors I could tell
(rumors about the band, media printing lies and driving a wedge between band members,...)
Somethings didn't work so well (with the band, communication between the members and so on)
Well anyway it feels the same

As when you first told me you were gone
(Slash telling Axl he was quitting the band)
So long ago but I stil held on (it has been said that Axl and Axl's camp at first didn't believe Slash was really gone for good and thought he'd be back soon enough)
Through all the motions the love and the sex (*)
And that's the truth and here's the worst yet
Would it even mattered the things that I'd say
(Would it even matter if Axl apologized or something)
You made your mind up and gone anyway (Because Slash (and others in the band maybe) aren't coming back back anyway, no matter what)
And there's no use now in draggin' it on (Axl has accepted that and is trying to move forward with the new band)
Shoulda seen it comin' all along (He should have known all along that this whole band was going to go to shit. He's made statements in the past about knowing the band was dead at certain points, etc.)

* This is the line that's a bit iffy if you want to look at that song from a band/Slash point of view. Though you could look at it as Axl talking about love (for the other guys, the band, music) and sex (they did have a lot of sex; both with groupies and technically also with each other when they were having threesomes and shit with the groupies) in general. Or you could go for the straight-up Slaxl interpretation and take what Axl's saying about love and sex there at face value. I'm sure lots of people in this thread will have no problem going with that interpretation :awesomeface:

All things considered though, my best guess is that it's a song about Erin.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Slash787 said:

Well he ruined one of my fav. songs, but well he gives me confidence to sing too, if he can, then why can't I?

 

Oooookay, so maybe that's not his song, LOL! :D Yeah. No bueno. When I saw them, they actually didn't do a lot of Guns N' Roses stuff. I remember Sympathy for the Devil, but that's not originally GnR anyway. And there was another guy doing vocals with him.

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7 minutes ago, Slash787 said:

I would not mind seeing him, Ive seen Gilby and he was good enough, well apart from the Sweet Chid solo which he ruined, but he did nail the KOHD and Its so Easy solos. 

Yeah, it's definitely worth it. If nothing else, he and the others in the band seem to genuinely enjoy playing together and they are not taking themselves too seriously at all, and that's fun. And since he does club shows the tickets don't break the bank.

Every time I've seen one of the GnR alumni, I've really liked their non-GnR stuff better. That could be because I don't like the material as much without Axl singing, but I think it's also because I like hearing what else they can do.

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1 hour ago, Slash787 said:

 

IRS is basically about Stephanie.

 

 

I agree

39 minutes ago, stella said:

I remember Sympathy for the Devil, but that's not originally GnR anyway. And there was another guy doing vocals with him.

I actually like the GNR cover but i rarely listen to it because Axl sing "politics" instead of "Politesse" and it irks me that he sings a wrong word, he knows the Stones, he could have asked someone to write him the right lyrics on a napkin or something :lol:

 

ETA: i read about MSL, is he the one that leaked ChiDem? but you talk about him/her as he is not reliable? I know nothing about insider, sorry

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6 hours ago, stella said:
14 hours ago, Lumikki said:

You know, I think you can really see "old Axl" in that picture. He looks a lot like his older self there.

Also loving the bar picture. It's rare to see Axl and Izzy being the goofy/smiling ones :heart:

 

:rofl-lol:

That's pretty much exactly what I imagined when Slash told that story :rofl-lol:

 

That's an awesome picture of Duff. He's a cutie!

 

:lol:

I approve of this artwork interpretation.

Speaking of artwork... here's Sasha's "lovely" painting :awesomeface:

Also please note Axl's thanks: He thanks family and friends first (meaning the Lebeises and other people because they don't get mentioned again specifically), but Sasha gets mentioned on her own somewhere down the list. Together with other people who work for Axl. Meaning Sasha is neither real family nor a friend, just some kind of employee going by that booklet :awesomeface:

CDChiDemRedHand32.JPG

 

 

 

Thank you @Lumikki! Those booklets were certainly much more interesting than the one I have...

In terms of the thank yous, even those are different on mine! But on mine he thanks Beta and the others by name, including his siblings and Sasha. I don't know if that order means very much because he made a dedication to Sharon Maynard and she's way down on this list.

The page you quoted there is not the one you asked for though. I posted that one (along with links to all other pages in the booklets) a bit further back already, did you see it?

 

15 hours ago, Frey said:

It's a gift, I was born with the talent to come up with Slaxl theories.

In fact, this shirt was probably a present from Slash to Axl, judging by all the skeleton porn going on there.

 

I just thought of a theory for you on how the DADT thing/kissing soldiers relate to Slaxl:

You know how Axl used to refer to his and Slash's fight as a war? Well the the DADT/soldiers thing is like a metaphor for their relationship then.

And it even makes sense, considering that homosexuality in rock n roll and metal used to be nearly as taboo as it used to be in the military.

Nobody asked Slash and Axl about it, and they told no one about it.

Yes/No? :awesomeface:

 

 

Lol how did I miss that!

Yes, yes, makes perfect sense, theory accepted :awesomeface:

I also approve of the Slaxl themed Sorry interpretations you provided earlier.

And I think the thing you pointed out about If The World and Mary, mother of Jesus is probably true. I always thought ITW is about Beta/TB, and Axl totally would compare her to a saintly mother figure. :rolleyes:

 

 

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1 hour ago, Frey said:

No, I think it's true.

GNFNR is a forum full of cupcakes, but they do have actual, serious threads too and discuss shit that is actually happening.

What makes me think this is true is that it wasn't brought up in trolish for the lolz sort of way with the focus being on the message, but rather by simply asking why Axl had deleted that tweet. Thread title was "Axl's deleted tweet".

The thread descended into the usual bullshit and bickering very quickly, but I think the original question was genuine.

 

I want to believe-_-

If its true, Why dont You said tht You still love Slash too on Slash birthday yesterday, Axl? :max: Embarrased to admit it? :max:

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10 minutes ago, giuls said:

I don't know

*sit at the collective feet of everyone in this thread*

Teach me about insiders, i don't know anyone

This is Skwerl who leaked CD...

http://antiquiet.com/misc/truth/2014/01/full-story-behind-chinese-democracy/

MSL or Mister Saint Laurent I think is the one who leaked about three unfinished songs from CD 

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2 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

Problem is wht makes Izzy mad/angry at MSL

Have you read his forum? He's going on like he knows exactly what went down between Izzy and the big three, like he was there almost. And he keeps making little digs about Izzy. He's just trying to annoy Izzy to get him to talk to him, that's all. 

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2 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I hate to say it, but us fans wrecked that, Axl explaining CD to us.

He came here after its release, he really wanted to talk about it, all the artwork and song lyrics and everything, but we didn't really fully take advantage of it at the time :( 

There was so much questioning about the old band, most people just kept going on and on about that and Slash and reunion. I watched all of those chats as they happened, what's in the archives isn't a true representation of what actually went on. Because it had the questions picked out rather than what people kept on posting at him. When people were posting questions, it was "the band name" "slash" "tour" "reunion" and loads of other random shit. 

Its understandable that is what fans wanted to know about, I know I did. But it would have been nice to put that to one side for a bit and talk to him about what he came here to talk about. I think we would have gotten a lot out of him about that album. Even though it's not my favourite I would have loved to know more. 

He did end up answering a fair bit about CD, we could've got a lot more. To be fair he tried his best to answer all questions. I wish he would do that again. 

Yes and no, lol

I agree with you that was the perfect moment for us to take advantage of and ask him all about it but you also have to consider he had never talked to anyone before and it's understandable people wanted explanations about the old band first. At that point everybody had said their "truth" in autobiographies or interviews but Axl was always in silence.

Also, it looks like things happened out of the blue (I wasn't here so I'm just guessing) without very little organization on how to conduct a chat with him. Seems like it took a really long time for people to believe that was the real Axl first, which made some act extremely rude towards him. 

Yes, he did answer a lot of things about CD but others he said he would explain later but seems like he got tired of it, never promoted it after it got released, except for all the touring. Never sat to talk with a major media source to promote his work so that was it, those chaotic chats is all we have :(

51 minutes ago, Frey said:

I've given this some serious thought, but that's a really tough one.

I think it's most likely a song about Erin or Steph, though I'm more inclined towards Erin (and I guess you could also technically read it as a song about Slash if you were more inclined that way :awesomeface:).

It seems like a very paranoid and stalkery type of song, with Axl referencing all these institutions he's gonna (or at least would like to if he could) call to help/assist him. You know what this reminds me of? Him harrassing and spying on Erin for years after they'd broken up.

Since it also sounds kind of bitter and threatening in places, I think it might be a really old song? With lyrics that were written in the 90s, while the court battles and everything were going on? Axl wrote that Oklahoma song during that time as well, might have been an "inspiring" time for him.

As when you first told me you were gone
So long ago but I stil held on

Through all the motions the love and the sex
And that's the truth and here's the worst yet
Would it even mattered the things that I'd say
You made your mind up and gone anyway

And there's no use now in draggin' it on
Shoulda seen it comin' all along

This is one of the main things that makes me think it's about Erin, because she made a very specific statement to Axl telling him he was never going to see her again and left. And of course the "So long ago but I still held on" part. Because we know Axl didn't give up on Erin for years after they separated. It also doesn't fit with Stephanie Seymour because Steph got pregnant and married pretty quickly after she and Axl split up. He'd be pretty dumb to keep holding out hope there then.

If the song is not about Erin or some other woman, my next best guess would be it's about the band breaking up and Slash leaving. Again, sounds like legal battles and fights going on (which Axl also had with Slash and the old band) and Axl painting himself as some poor guy who needs all the help he can get in this fight, but also admitting to faults of his own in places.

Lines that could be read as being about the band/Slash:

Wouldn't be the first time I been wrong (about carrying on alone, taking the band name, etc.)
Wouldn't be the last
I'm sure I've known
With all the rumors I could tell
(rumors about the band, media printing lies and driving a wedge between band members,...)
Somethings didn't work so well (with the band, communication between the members and so on)
Well anyway it feels the same

As when you first told me you were gone
(Slash telling Axl he was quitting the band)
So long ago but I stil held on (it has been said that Axl and Axl's camp at first didn't believe Slash was really gone for good and thought he'd be back soon enough)
Through all the motions the love and the sex (*)
And that's the truth and here's the worst yet
Would it even mattered the things that I'd say
(Would it even matter if Axl apologized or something)
You made your mind up and gone anyway (Because Slash (and others in the band maybe) aren't coming back back anyway, no matter what)
And there's no use now in draggin' it on (Axl has accepted that and is trying to move forward with the new band)
Shoulda seen it comin' all along (He should have known all along that this whole band was going to go to shit. He's made statements in the past about knowing the band was dead at certain points, etc.)

* This is the line that's a bit iffy if you want to look at that song from a band/Slash point of view. Though you could look at it as Axl talking about love (for the other guys, the band, music) and sex (they did have a lot of sex; both with groupies and technically also with each other when they were having threesomes and shit with the groupies) in general. Or you could go for the straight-up Slaxl interpretation and take what Axl's saying about love and sex there at face value. I'm sure lots of people in this thread will have no problem going with that interpretation :awesomeface:

All things considered though, my best guess is that it's a song about Erin.

Wow, great job!! Thank you :hug:

First thing to have a clue about this song is that there is a demo from 1999 (that I like so much better than the album version) which means the lyrics were written prior to that, which definitely puts us in a timeframe were he was still involved in lawsuits and problems with Erin, Stephanie and the band.

I think many verses are about Erin, others about Stephanie and others about either Slash or the whole band. Just like when he explained what "Estranged" is about, I'm guessing that's the approach he took here too, some lines are about one person but they can also be applied to a lot other people or similar situations.

Yeah, all these institutions he mentions are something very familiar to him :lol: Maybe when he says "gonna call the president, gonna call the fbi" it could be something these women said? Most probably Stephanie, she was the one with the big lawyers and shit.

Ive got curious about what you said that he spied on or harassed Erin for many years after the break up. What information do you have on that? I never read or heard anything about it.

You also mention the Oklahoma song and I sometimes wonder if IRS isn't actually that song?? According to him, this was written after he had to face Erin in court, so these lyrics fit a bit but I don't know. I'm sure he still has a pile of songs about Erin and Steph sleeping in his vault :lol:

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12 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

I'm curious about what happens between Izzy N' MSL

1 minute ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Have you read his forum? He's going on like he knows exactly what went down between Izzy and the big three, like he was there almost. And he keeps making little digs about Izzy. He's just trying to annoy Izzy to get him to talk to him, that's all. 

Exactly.

MSL is full of shit for the most part, so please let's not give him the attention he so desperately craves.

I've seen him on Twitter too, he's just trying to goad Izzy into reacting to him, so he can feel like an even more important insider or whatever.

 

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