GNR Women's discussion

[Italian girl]

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Edited September 28, 2016 by Italian girl

[Italian girl]

5 hours ago, giuls said:

He actually tried to save the tatoo, he went to see a tatoo artist but the cross was done shittily and that's why it's so dark, it isn't Axl's doing

 

I hope he learned the lesson

[SerenityScorp]

7 minutes ago, Babooshka said:

I don't think @starlight was referring to Slash. It's just funny to see people who shat on Slash to ridiculous levels, suddenly start cosying up to him. It just highlights how stupid that period was and the shallowness involved. I wonder if Fernando has put himself on the anti Slash list.

   From official thread

Its funny to remember tht back then fernando put Slash on his hate list but now Slash follow fernando on IG 

[Słash]

2 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

   From official thread

Its funny to remember tht back then fernando put Slash on his hate list but now Slash follow fernando on IG 

Its cause Slash has a very big heart. 

[SerenityScorp]

But He didnt follow Axl 

[MillionsOfSpiders]

40 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

But He didnt follow Axl 

He followed him to London and Philly to see him sing for another band. That's worth a lot more than shitty Twitter followings. 

[SerenityScorp]

6 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

He followed him to London and Philly to see him sing for another band. That's worth a lot more than shitty Twitter followings. 

Right~ 

[dgnr]

5 hours ago, Frey said:

You guys

Okay, I can't use that as an excuse anymore now But chairman? I don't feel qualified for this   @Asia @giuls @Lumikki @Blackstar @dgnr or some of the other Slaxl experts would be a better choice

 

Oh no, you gotta be the chairman. We need someone not-so-crazy, qualified and able to keep the order. The rest of us would only drool and imagine porn things between those two.  The club would be an epic fail.

[SerenityScorp]

23 minutes ago, dgnr said:

Oh no, you gotta be the chairman. We need someone not-so-crazy, qualified and able to keep the order. The rest of us would only drool and imagine porn things between those two.  The club would be an epic fail.

N' secretly Dexter N' Slash join the club

[Słash]

Now Axl should go and see Slash with Myles Kennedy LOL

[Andy14]

5 hours ago, Lumikki said:

I was just talking to @Andy14 about that wrist tattoo.

He covers it up so much these days with all his bracelets that people forget it even exists. Maybe he doesn't like it anymore?

As far as we know, Axl has 8 tattoos.

3 on each arm and one 1 on each leg. Might have some more in other places, but how would we know about that?

Lol yeah, we made this discussion happen 

Axl covers himself too much nowadays, what is he trying to hide? Maybe he has a huge Slash's tatoo all over his chest lol 

We'll find out more in Argentina, when @killuridols jumps on stage and rips Axl's clothes 

1 hour ago, dgnr said:

Oh no, you gotta be the chairman. We need someone not-so-crazy, qualified and able to keep the order. The rest of us would only drool and imagine porn things between those two.  The club would be an epic fail.

Yes! @Frey Who else should be the chairman if not you?  You can try showing your membership cards at GNR shows, will be highly appreciated 

 

"Hey, I'm Frey!

Memeber from May

I'm here today

Just let me say

These two cards pay

The backstage way

To God I pray

So let me stay"

 

Btw. I'm surprised nobody's posted this, it's all over IG

Edited September 28, 2016 by Andy14

[SerenityScorp]

53 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

Lol yeah, we made this discussion happen 

Axl covers himself too much nowadays, what is he trying to hide? Maybe he has a huge Slash's tatoo all over his chest lol 

We'll find out more in Argentina, when @killuridols jumps on stage and rips Axl's clothes 

Yes! @Frey Who else should be the chairman if not you?  You can try showing your membership cards at GNR shows, will be highly appreciated 

 

"Hey, I'm Frey!

Memeber from May

I'm here today

Just let me say

These two cards pay

The backstage way

To God I pray

So let me stay"

 

Btw. I'm surprised nobody's posted this, it's all over IG

Old Axl should tell young Axl about the GN'R break up N' Slash cheating with Myles N' Duff 

[dgnr]

1 minute ago, SerenityScorp said:

Old Axl should tell young Axl about the GN'R break up N' Slash cheating with Myles N' Duff 

Young Axl obviously thinking 'No worries, I will win him back and cheat on him with Angus Young' 

[stella]

7 hours ago, Frey said:

First things first, as far as I know him blacking out the tattoos was just a rumor that came into existence because his AfD tattoo didn't hold up very well and the colors ran into each other, making it look really dark. But if you look at high res pictures, you can see that the tattoo was never blacked out. And like @giuls mentioned, even Axl himself said he actually tried to save the tattoo by getting it touched up, but it didn't work.

 

@giuls already saved me a lot of the typing and I agree with everything she said, but to sum up

- Axl was talking about himself being lured in in the lyrics, not about someone else like West Arkeen or Shannon Hoon (these two also don't fit with the rest of the lyrics and themes of the song). Axl talking about someone luring him in sounds similar to Axl talking about Slash being "negatively seductive", which is what @lilacmess tried to point out (and the "negative seduction" thing definitely can't refer to other friends, because Axl specifically said that about Slash)

- Can't be about Yoda, etc. because he was still very much involved with them at the time the song was written. Stephanie is theoretically possible, but doesn't really fit with the rest of the song for the reasons giuls explained. His family is possible too, but again the band fits better.

- The MLK quotes could have been intended in the original spirit of the speech, but like giuls said again, out of all the other parts he could have taken from the speech that express the sentiment you mentioned, he specifically chose these, arranged them in a certain manner together with quotes from other places, etc. I think it's fair to say there is probably some significance to that.

 

 

 

he was still with Yoda at that time, but it doesn't mean he was still with the early 90s people like the "psychiatrist" who was telling him Louise Hay-style nonsense (which basically is that if you are sick, you did it to yourself, and it's all about your feelings). Even Slash has said that he saw a lot of bullshit practitioners, not just Yoda. Considering all the "Axl without hair" speculation and the speculation that he wanted to go to a psych hospital in 2002, even if he still believes in some of the New Age stuff, he's clearly broken with the idea that homeopathy is the end-all and Big Pharma is bad that he had in the UYI era. 

As to the rest of it...I honestly think that some of the folks here are so fixated on their fantasy of an Axl-Slash slash relationship that they are going to find a way to make any and all of the lyrics about that. Yes, Slash meant a lot to Axl. Yes, they had a very intense love-hate relationship, went through a lot of major life changes together, and yes, Axl obviously was very angry at Slash. But a lot of very good friends go through that, and Slash is NOT, by a long shot, the ONLY person that left Axl during that time period. What's the count we have of people he lost either throguh death or friendships ending during the 90s that we know about? Stephanie, Dylan (who we know Axl was very attached to), Duff, Slash, West Arkeen,, Shannon Hoon, the status of GnR as a leading band, his biological mom, so on...that's a shitload of loss for one person to cope with. Some of those, such as his mom, must have been especially difficult because of the conflicting emotions he had about her. In the early 2000s add Earl and Robert John and some of the industry sorts. And then we have all the rumors of his poor health in that time frame too, and you have a dude who has basically lost almost every single thing in his life that is important to him...pretty much ALL of his known close friends other than Del; his career; his health; his sense of security. 

IMHO it's silly to look at all that and think that CD or a song like Madagascar is all about any one person.

[Mararoyce]

6 hours ago, Lumikki said:

At @stella and everyone else who said Axl blacked out his AfD cross tattoo- that never happened.

Some people only thought that because the tattoo's colors didn't hold up well, ran into each other and the whole thing became pretty dark. But if you look closely you can still see the original details and colors.

Here's a picture from 2002. You can clearly see Duff's blonde hair, Axl's red hair and his blue cap, Slash's hat and hair, the white bits left of the skulls, etc.

 

Pictures from 2006. In all of these Duff's and Steven's skulls and blond hair are clearly visible:

In this one with Baz you can even see the other colors a little.

And in this one you can clearly see the white of Slash's skull (what's left of it at least). So he didn't even try to black Slash's face out

 

Post 2006/moustache era Axl. Still no blacked out tattoo.

It's dark yes, but you can still see everything in this picture, the colors, the details of the skulls, even the thin yellow lines that run through the purple color of the cross itself

Steven's skull is always easy to see, even in blurry pictures lol

 

And for completeness'  sake, here's a pre-2002 picture. No blacked out tattoo then either.

 

So yeah, blacked out AfD tattoo is nothing but a dumb rumor.

 

I was just talking to @Andy14 about that wrist tattoo.

He covers it up so much these days with all his bracelets that people forget it even exists. Maybe he doesn't like it anymore?

As far as we know, Axl has 8 tattoos.

3 on each arm and one 1 on each leg. Might have some more in other places, but how would we know about that?

 

 

Good point, he does cover up that wrist tattoo a lot these days. I'm still stumped on Axl's 'look' during this period that most of these pictures are from. He eventually morphed back into someone we'd recognize a few years later on, but I wonder if he was sick during this time, or just plastic surgery. I know we've discussed it on here before.

[Jane M.]

7 hours ago, Lumikki said:

At @stella and everyone else who said Axl blacked out his AfD cross tattoo- that never happened.

So yeah, blacked out AfD tattoo is nothing but a dumb rumor.

Alrighty then. I still think it's a badass tattoo even if it looks a hot mess these days.

[giuls]

1 hour ago, stella said:

he was still with Yoda at that time, but it doesn't mean he was still with the early 90s people like the "psychiatrist" who was telling him Louise Hay-style nonsense (which basically is that if you are sick, you did it to yourself, and it's all about your feelings). Even Slash has said that he saw a lot of bullshit practitioners, not just Yoda. Considering all the "Axl without hair" speculation and the speculation that he wanted to go to a psych hospital in 2002, even if he still believes in some of the New Age stuff, he's clearly broken with the idea that homeopathy is the end-all and Big Pharma is bad that he had in the UYI era. 

As to the rest of it...I honestly think that some of the folks here are so fixated on their fantasy of an Axl-Slash slash relationship that they are going to find a way to make any and all of the lyrics about that. Yes, Slash meant a lot to Axl. Yes, they had a very intense love-hate relationship, went through a lot of major life changes together, and yes, Axl obviously was very angry at Slash. But a lot of very good friends go through that, and Slash is NOT, by a long shot, the ONLY person that left Axl during that time period. What's the count we have of people he lost either throguh death or friendships ending during the 90s that we know about? Stephanie, Dylan (who we know Axl was very attached to), Duff, Slash, West Arkeen,, Shannon Hoon, the status of GnR as a leading band, his biological mom, so on...that's a shitload of loss for one person to cope with. Some of those, such as his mom, must have been especially difficult because of the conflicting emotions he had about her. In the early 2000s add Earl and Robert John and some of the industry sorts. And then we have all the rumors of his poor health in that time frame too, and you have a dude who has basically lost almost every single thing in his life that is important to him...pretty much ALL of his known close friends other than Del; his career; his health; his sense of security. 

IMHO it's silly to look at all that and think that CD or a song like Madagascar is all about any one person.

Actually, Madagascar is an old song, i'm taking the quotes from Chinese Whispers "[Youth] had "four or five" spells working with Rose in [1998]. [...] 'I went to his house and we started writing songs, strumming guitars in the kitchen', says Youth. and In CD's liner notes, Youth is credited for some preproduction work on Madagascar. Sure enough, that track had come about by then. So he was still very much enmashed in the new age idea and not because he had changed people to believe in he stopped believing in the idea itself by then. 

Well, we analized IRS recently and we splitted between it being about Erin or Stephanie (i joked about Slash but i said i thought it was about Seymour) and the people you're listing that were in life before 1998 don't really make sense for this particular song, i don't deny Axl was hurt by other people but we're talking about Madagascar, plus, we're joking about Slaxl, i may have made a Slaxl club membership card but we aren't forming a super-villians association (or are we? )

Hoon and Arkeen died, they don't have any chains linking them together (the verse in the song is in present tense)  and did they ever distanced himself from Axl before they died? (I won't be told anymore/that I've been bought down in this storm) because i don't know about Hoon but Slash said Axl was the closest to West among GNR.

Stephanie, i already analized why i don't think it's about her, the song has the word brotherhood in it.

His biological family, minus his sibilings, they weren't really here to tell him he was lost in the storm and he can't find his way back home, to how the things were, Axl was in contact with only his sibilings, the chain were broken.

and this is the third? time i say that it could be about the band in general but there are verses that we think relate to Slash specifically. (As an non-sequitur, it never seemed to me that between Axl and Duff there was much vitriol? not near the level that was between Slaxl, anyway).

Edited September 28, 2016 by giuls

[killuridols]

On 27/9/2016 at 4:34 PM, Andy14 said:

 

edit: @giuls Lol, I see we had the same idea 

hahaha its amazing! you used my drawing of Frey

 

thank you

[Padme]

So I just read that Susan's post in IG. It looks like her hubby travelled to SA with out her. I trust Duff, he is being a good boy. However I hope Meegan didn't follow that same path 

Slash, alone in SA is too risky. I don't think he can resist the temptation 

[giuls]

6 minutes ago, Padme said:

So I just read that Susan's post in IG. It looks like her hubby travelled to SA with out her. I trust Duff, he is being a good boy. However I hope Meegan didn't follow that same path 

Slash, alone in SA is too risky. I don't think he can resist the temptation 

About beinf in SA so early, what do you think, secret shows, warm up gigs? Let me dream  

I trust that both of them are going to be good boys. 

[Padme]

3 minutes ago, giuls said:

About beinf in SA so early, what do you think, secret shows, warm up gigs? Let me dream  

I trust that both of them are going to be good boys. 

I think mixing work with fun, rehearsals and visiting places... Maybe also writing songs 

[MillionsOfSpiders]

I wonder if Axl is going to go to rehearsals.. Oh no wait.. It's GNR not ACDC no need to bother then. 

 

[giuls]

2 minutes ago, Padme said:

I think mixing work with fun, rehearsals and visiting places... Maybe also writing songs 

We can only hope! All fingers crossed, hands and feet! 

[Padme]

13 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I wonder if Axl is going to go to rehearsals.. Oh no wait.. It's GNR not ACDC no need to bother then. 

 

Axl is probably in a meeting with his lawyers getting an update about Pitman's lawsuit. That's our Axl  

[Lumikki]

20 hours ago, Kira said:

On 27.9.2016 at 0:30 PM, lilacmess said:

Even when it came to picking tracks for the recent Live Era '87-'93 retrospective, Rose and Slash – whom Rose describes as "negatively seductive" – communicated their song selections only through intermediaries. "I never said that I was bitter," Rose explains, characteristically concerned with making fine distinctions. "Hurt, yeah. Disappointed. I mean, with Slash, I remember crying about all kinds of things in my life, but I had never felt hot, burning tears … hot, burning tears of anger. Basically, to me, it was because I am watching this guy and I don't understand it. Playing with everyone from Space Ghost to Michael Jackson. I don't get it. I wanted the world to love and respect him. I just watched him throw it away."

I don't know about Madagascar, sometimes I thought it was about his parents.  But "hot burning tears of anger" sounds so passionate and dramatic.  So Axl. 

It's an interesting quote, yes.

What Axl is saying here is that he had never cried about anyone or anything in his life like he cried about Slash. "Hot, burning tears of anger" because he was just so hurt and so disappointed.

And that's only one of many, many indications we have of just how badly the band breaking up and Slash leaving messed Axl up.

Considering all that, I don't think it would be surprising at all if these themes also manifested in his song writing.

 

2 hours ago, Jane M. said:

Alrighty then. I still think it's a badass tattoo even if it looks a hot mess these days.

Yes, it's the most badass tattoo he has imo (I'm not very fond of the others). Kinda sad that his most awesome tattoo hasn't held up well at all though.