GNR Women's discussion

[Frey]

1 hour ago, Jane M. said:

I've always thought Niven had to be a bit insane in the membrane to be able to deal with a band full of crazy mofos like GNR. Like Izzy said, he was the sixth silent member of the band. Equally 

You're probably right there I used to think Niven was just a dick, but when he started going on about Satan and ACDC (and some other stuff) I started to seriously question his sanity lol.

37 minutes ago, Kara said:

Jesus. The more I find out about Axl, the more I empathize with him. I really feel for him. From what I can tell, and like it was said in the above video @Lumikki posted, Axl can seem like a dick on the surface but is actually a big softie underneath all that bullshit. I definitely don't think he was the sole person responsible for the fall of GNR. It took a lot more than Axl Rose's ego for that band to fall apart. 

Now, the self harm story has been discredited. What of the autism theory? I've NEVER heard that one before! 

A while ago Alan Niven said he thinks Axl was misdiagnosed back then (the bipolar stuff). These days, he thinks Axl is in fact a high-functioning autistic. He came to this conclusion because he lives with a girl named Briar Rose (or something ridiculous like that) who has Asperger's and apparently it's "like living with Axl all over again". He (jokingly) figures he must have been really mean to an autistic kid in a past life for him to now get "punished" with multiple autistic kids with the name Rose.

Alan Niven also thinks Axl is bisexual (seemingly mostly based on the way he used to dress) and that he's inviting Satan into his life and damning himself to burn in hell by playing with an evil satanic band like ACDC.

So yeah... take everything he says with a huge grain of salt. He used to be their manager and presumably knows a lot about them, but a lot of the shit he says is downright crazy or dumb.

How/when has the self harm story been discredited though? He himself talked about cutting himself with razor blades in that interview and Bryn Bridenthal seemed to think it was still an issue in 1994.

 

 

 

Edited November 5, 2016 by Frey

[Kara]

17 minutes ago, Frey said:

You're probably right there I used to think Niven was just a dick, but when he started going on about Satan and ACDC (and some other stuff) I started to seriously question his sanity lol.

A while ago Alan Niven said he thinks Axl was misdiagnosed back then (the bipolar stuff). These days, he thinks Axl is in fact a high-functioning autistic. He came to this conclusion because he lives with a girl named Briar Rose (or something ridiculous like that) who has Asperger's and apparently it's "like living with Axl all over again". He figures he must have been really mean to an autistic kid in a past life for him to now get punished with multiple autistic kids with the name Rose.

Alan Niven also thinks Axl is bisexual (based on the way he used to dress) and that he's inviting Satan into his life and damning himself to burn in hell by playing with an evil satanic band like ACDC.

So yeah... take everything he says with a huge grain of salt. He used to be their manager and presumably knows a lot about them, but a lot of the shit he says is downright crazy or dumb.

How/when has the self harm story been discredited though? He himself talked about cutting himself with razor blades in that interview and Bryn Bridenthal seemed to think it was still an issue in 1994.

 

 

 

Yeah sounds to me like this guy has a whole slew of issues himself and has no business talking shit about anybody.

So, he "diagnosed" Axl based off of some random girl with similar personality traits? Yeah ok. Thanks a lot Dr. Niven! 

And Axl being bisexual?! I don't think that's true. But even if it is, why does it matter and why would it need to be brought up? 

Wow, just wow! 

[Babooshka]

 

3 hours ago, Slash787 said:

Yeah she seems like a very nice person, I love Steven but I really salute her for putting up with a person like Steven Adler.

I have a feeling she is maybe not that comfortable with Susan and Meegan.  

I know what you mean. It's not so much Susan and Meegan, but I guess she may not be as comfortable in that "rock wife" role, especially when next to two models. But the relationship and Steven is probably better for it. 

[Jane M.]

And screenshot taken for no special reason, it's just a habit I have.

[Kara]

6 hours ago, Lumikki said:

 

Axl cutting himself:

How do you explain your volatile nature?

When I get stressed, I get violent and take it out on myself. I've pulled razor blades on myself but then realized that having a scar is more detrimental than not having a stereo. I'd rather kick in my stereo than cut my arm. I'd rather kick my stereo in than go punch somebody in the face. When I get mad or upset or emotional, sometimes I'll walk over and play my piano.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-rolling-stone-interview-axl-rose-19890810

^THIS is what I thought discredited the whole cutting/self harm stories. I took this to mean that he used to sometimes THINK about hurting himself, but then he'd stop and take his anger out on his possessions rather than himself or others. Having read it again, however, I realize that doesn't necessarily mean he never did it, just that he eventually knew when it was time to stop. @Frey

[cheesecake]

8 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Does Stevens girlfriend remind anyone else of Katy Perry? 

Awww what a sweetheart... she must be special enough to have changed him to be a better person and leave addiction for good (we can pray so!). Btw, isn't she (I thought) his wife? Or really just his girlfriend? 

[sanity_lost]

I'd like to toss in my two cents in regards to the Kurt Cobain story.

I would not be surprised at all if someone felt they wanted to break this news to Axl gently and were worried about how he'd take it.

First of all, Axl was going through a lot of shit in late '93, early '94. The Steven lawsuit was being settled, the Stephanie lawsuit was happening with Erin jumping in to sue him as well. Also during this time Guns N' Roses was very definitely falling apart. It was early '94, I believe, when he used his nuclear option with the name ownership. Brought on by himself? Possibly, but regardless it was a lot of shit he was going through. That much stuff going on in your life would be stressful for even the most mentally and emotionally stable people. And I don't believe that is something Axl has ever been accused of being. So, likely, Axl was not in a good mental place during that time of his life.

Now lets add in Kurt's suicide.

Axl and Kurt had a relationship. Sure it was an antagonistic relationship but Kurt wasn't just some with random musician, this was a person who Axl knew. And he didn't just die, which is bad enough, he blew his own head off. Learning someone you know committed suicide in a horrific way is jarring/traumatic enough for someone who isn't already emotionally unstable. But for someone who is? Yeah, I think I'd be worried about them as well.

[cheesecake]

I'm sorry to deviate from the past a bit (Kurt-Cobainy-Axl-related-issues), and I'm about to raise a petty question here, but this is the Women's thread after all, so....

 

I think we've all noticed a trimmer and better looking Axl this SA tour, but I can't help to notice he seemed to slimmed down overall (even now sporting a handsome neck and chin *drool*) but his midsection is still visibly pushing against his Tshirt (though to a lesser extent). 

I'm not asking for an argument or answer here lol... just something I noticed. I hope he continues to take care of his diet and physical down the road and keep it as his lifestyle.

[SerenityScorp]

29 minutes ago, cheesecake said:

I'm sorry to deviate from the past a bit (Kurt-Cobainy-Axl-related-issues), and I'm about to raise a petty question here, but this is the Women's thread after all, so....

 

I think we've all noticed a trimmer and better looking Axl this SA tour, but I can't help to notice he seemed to slimmed down overall (even now sporting a handsome neck and chin *drool*) but his midsection is still visibly pushing against his Tshirt (though to a lesser extent). 

I'm not asking for an argument or answer here lol... just something I noticed. I hope he continues to take care of his diet and physical down the road and keep it as his lifestyle.

Other things beside Slaxl cute moment, I want to see Slaxl do yoga with Duff as Their trainer. C'mon Duff! Just drag Them N' force Them to do yoga with You!

[cheesecake]

14 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

Other things beside Slaxl cute moment, I want to see Slaxl do yoga with Duff as Their trainer. C'mon Duff! Just drag Them N' force Them to do yoga with You!

What a coincidence. I'm in the midst of incorporating more yoga regularly into my life at the moment and was just done watching a power yoga video lol

Seeing Slaxl performing yoga is good, but it would be great if I get to perform yoga with Axl alone   Okay... enough with making readers here puking their meals sorry guys for that.

[SerenityScorp]

4 minutes ago, cheesecake said:

What a coincidence. I'm in the midst of incorporating more yoga regularly into my life at the moment and was just done watching a power yoga video lol

Seeing Slaxl performing yoga is good, but it would be great if I get to perform yoga with Axl alone   Okay... enough with making readers here puking their meals sorry guys for that.

You mean yoga in bed? 

[marlingrl03]

 

They are too freaking cute for words! 

[SerenityScorp]

2 minutes ago, marlingrl03 said:

 

They are too freaking cute for words! 

The first thing tht I see on tht pic, Slash's lock necklace 

2 hours ago, Jane M. said:

And screenshot taken for no special reason, it's just a habit I have.

I wanna read the lyric! Maybe it will related to the reunion again

[RooSaa]

2 hours ago, cheesecake said:

I think we've all noticed a trimmer and better looking Axl this SA tour, but I can't help to notice he seemed to slimmed down overall (even now sporting a handsome neck and chin *drool*) but his midsection is still visibly pushing against his Tshirt (though to a lesser extent). 

I'm not asking for an argument or answer here lol... just something I noticed. I hope he continues to take care of his diet and physical down the road and keep it as his lifestyle.

Noticed that since some time. He for example has slimmer arms but still a big belly. the proportions are not right, it looks a bit weird. I guess he is one of the people who gets fat on his stomach first, and then the rest. So the stomach fat is the hardest for him to get rid off again.

 

 

[cheesecake]

1 hour ago, marlingrl03 said:

 

They are too freaking cute for words! 

Nothing can be farther than the truth. I wanna see this couple still going strong 20-30 years from now. I wish them the very best 

[Słash]

5 hours ago, cheesecake said:

Awww what a sweetheart... she must be special enough to have changed him to be a better person and leave addiction for good (we can pray so!). Btw, isn't she (I thought) his wife? Or really just his girlfriend? 

She is his wife, they are married. 

[MillionsOfSpiders]

 

 

[Słash]

12 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

What gives you that impression? Is it because she seems like a normal everyday kind of lass? 

I guess cause they are not "Besties" like Susan and Meegan and maybe there is a cultural difference and a language barrier. 

But they have mutual respect for each other and Susan has always been nice to Caro and Steven, even before this reunion, both of them went to dinner with Duff and Susan. 

But I guess Carolina won't be comfortable doing the "Girly" talk with Susan and Meegan. 

[Tori72]

On 4.11.2016 at 10:23 PM, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I just put how from the images we have seen of inside Axls house it looks the most down to earth house I've seen of a celebrity. Doesn't look to me like a rock stars house lol. 

I find it odd that his touring lifestyle seems so out of sync with his home life. 

I would expect his house to be all luxury and tack, but it doesn't look it 

Ok, so where can i find fotos of Axls house? I have seen this one video of the Austrian girl... 

And thanks @Frey for all the TB information and your effort for putting it all togetether in your post. For some reason I cannot quote your post. I acutally didn't know all that. It is a huge and wierd thing and i still don't understand why Axl would not, after so many years, see through all this. Surely Izzy, Slash and Duff must have told him about their encounters with TB. But maybe Axl is more unstable than i thought and more dependent on them. I really wished he would have himself properly diagnosed and put to therapy by qualified psychotherapists. But I'm sure we all feel that way. From where i sit it feels like Axl can never be really happy and sane and whole.

[SerenityScorp]

1 hour ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

 

 

 

 

17 hours ago, marlingrl03 said:

Duff lookin good night! 

 

Both Axl N' Duff are trying to seduce Slash, So who's gonna win? 

[tifalucis]

Just another day in tumblr world

Edit: This is actually gif, I don't know how to make this work  

Edited November 6, 2016 by tifalucis

[Frey]

15 hours ago, Lumikki said:

Axl cutting himself:

How do you explain your volatile nature?

When I get stressed, I get violent and take it out on myself. I've pulled razor blades on myself but then realized that having a scar is more detrimental than not having a stereo. I'd rather kick in my stereo than cut my arm. I'd rather kick my stereo in than go punch somebody in the face. When I get mad or upset or emotional, sometimes I'll walk over and play my piano.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-rolling-stone-interview-axl-rose-19890810

He talks about swallowing a bunch of pills during the 1991 Kurt Loder interview for example, when talking about Coma. Someone once posted an article with Tom Zutaut talking abou that incident as well.

Also welcome to the Sinead O'Connor club. I was apparently channelling Sinead O'Connor before I knew she felt the same way about Axl as me.

And yes, similar to the Buckethead issue. It seems like Axl really wanted CD to be "pure" and "clean" (in a spiritual sense, I guess) and everything he considered dirty and not pure enough (violent pornography, Courtney Love ) was not welcome.

As for the strip clubs, Courtney even referenced something about a strip club when she was recently defending Axl and said that he was misunderstood.

Yes. I also believe that Axl is actually not a bad person, even a pretty good one these days when you take away all the bullshit and externalities. Since we're being all spiritual and new age-y here at the moment, I'm gonna put it this way: Unlike a lot of people in this world, Axl doesn't give me bad person vibes. Messed up and stuggling person vibes? Yes. But not bad or evil.

I like what Robert John says here in this shitty documentary (starts around 7:40):

"I think it hurt Axl when people started leaving. 'Cause you know as much crap as people say about Axl, deep down inside he's got a really, really great heart. Okay? He's hard to deal with at times, in fact extremely hard to deal with at times, but he's a very good person deep down inside and you know, he wants things his way, and when the guys started leaving, I think it really affected him. Because I know certain key band members that he would talk about constantly. And when he talks about something constantly, that's because they hurt him."

Also this: "Because I know certain key band members that he would talk about constantly. And when he talks about something constantly, that's because they hurt him." 

That's something we've already figured out ourselves Pretty obvious with "certain key band members".

 

Huh. It's the "Don't ever touch me! Don't ever think about touching me! Don't touch yourself and think about me! Nothing!" interview.

I've definitely read that one before, weird that I forgot the whole self-harming thing was in there too. Or maybe I'm just familiar with that story because of the whole "What really happened during the hitchhiking incident" discussion we had here at some point

Also "Axl Rose- The Prettiest Star"? What an awful name for a documentary

8 hours ago, sanity_lost said:

I'd like to toss in my two cents in regards to the Kurt Cobain story.

I would not be surprised at all if someone felt they wanted to break this news to Axl gently and were worried about how he'd take it.

First of all, Axl was going through a lot of shit in late '93, early '94. The Steven lawsuit was being settled, the Stephanie lawsuit was happening with Erin jumping in to sue him as well. Also during this time Guns N' Roses was very definitely falling apart. It was early '94, I believe, when he used his nuclear option with the name ownership. Brought on by himself? Possibly, but regardless it was a lot of shit he was going through. That much stuff going on in your life would be stressful for even the most mentally and emotionally stable people. And I don't believe that is something Axl has ever been accused of being. So, likely, Axl was not in a good mental place during that time of his life.

Now lets add in Kurt's suicide.

Axl and Kurt had a relationship. Sure it was an antagonistic relationship but Kurt wasn't just some with random musician, this was a person who Axl knew. And he didn't just die, which is bad enough, he blew his own head off. Learning someone you know committed suicide in a horrific way is jarring/traumatic enough for someone who isn't already emotionally unstable. But for someone who is? Yeah, I think I'd be worried about them as well.

I agree with the first half of what you wrote, but I still can't wrap my head around the second bit. Probably because I find it difficult to even call what they had a relationship, antagonistic or not. They traded a couple of barbs over the media and ran into each other two or three times maybe? People I've known much better than that have commited suicide or died suddenly and I wasn't overly affected by that, except for the general feeling of surprise and mild sadness you get when an acquaintance dies unexpectedly.

But like you said, Axl is not an emotionally stable or normal person, so it probably was a good idea by Bryn Bridenthal to check and make sure.

 

@tifalucis GIFs work just fine here usually, I don't know why yours isn't working

 

Edited November 6, 2016 by Frey

[Frey]

13 hours ago, Kara said:

Yeah sounds to me like this guy has a whole slew of issues himself and has no business talking shit about anybody.

So, he "diagnosed" Axl based off of some random girl with similar personality traits? Yeah ok. Thanks a lot Dr. Niven! 

And Axl being bisexual?! I don't think that's true. But even if it is, why does it matter and why would it need to be brought up? 

Wow, just wow! 

Yeah, that's how he came to his autism "diagnosis". He also mentioned something about Axl having terrible stage fright and suffering from anxiety issues iirc, which I can believe, but these things don't necessarily have anything to do with autism either.

I don't remember the context anymore in which the bisexual thing came up, but it was pretty random. They might have been talking about songs. I remember Niven asking something like "Who is the Rocket Queen really?" during his musings on Axl's sexuality. He also commented on the tiny shorts and feather boas. Personally, (after reading this entire thread) I could see Axl being bisexual (or at least having a weird, obsessive thing for Slash), but to claim that based on the clothes he wore on stage is ridiculous.

8 hours ago, Kara said:

^THIS is what I thought discredited the whole cutting/self harm stories. I took this to mean that he used to sometimes THINK about hurting himself, but then he'd stop and take his anger out on his possessions rather than himself or others. Having read it again, however, I realize that doesn't necessarily mean he never did it, just that he eventually knew when it was time to stop. @Frey

Yeah, it sounds like he used to cut himself, but stopped (supposedly). That quote was posted in response to Bryn Bridenthal being worried about Axl hurting himself, as an example of Axl engaging in behavior like that.

1 hour ago, Tori72 said:

Ok, so where can i find fotos of Axls house? I have seen this one video of the Austrian girl... 

And thanks @Frey for all the TB information and your effort for putting it all togetether in your post. For some reason I cannot quote your post. I acutally didn't know all that. It is a huge and wierd thing and i still don't understand why Axl would not, after so many years, see through all this. Surely Izzy, Slash and Duff must have told him about their encounters with TB. But maybe Axl is more unstable than i thought and more dependent on them. I really wished he would have himself properly diagnosed and put to therapy by qualified psychotherapists. But I'm sure we all feel that way. From where i sit it feels like Axl can never be really happy and sane and whole.

I posted some not too long ago here

You can't quote it because it already is a quote. For some dumb reason you can't quote quotes like a regular post. You need to highlight everything you want to quote, hover above it (or right-klick it) and then click on the "quote this" option that appears. I didn't figure that one out either until @Blackstar explained it to me lol.

Because like other people here have recently said, Axl is gullible, naive and easily influenced. He didn't see through Doug Goldstein or all the Yoda bullshit either. Takes him years to buy a clue. Not to mention the fact that he's lonely (even said that himself to that one guy who met him) and doesn't really have anyone in his life except for TB and the rest of his entourage. If he got rid of them, who would he be left with?

And yes, I wish he'd get real help too. But like Marc Canter has said, TB refuse to get him real help, no matter how many times Marc or other people tell them to.

 

 

Edited November 6, 2016 by Frey

[tiutso]

10 minutes ago, Frey said:

Probably because I find it difficult to even call what they had a relationship

honestly, you wouldn't believe how much harder i'd obsess over some people with whom i wasn't that well-acquainted, as opposed to those i actually knew.  if you don't have a legitimate model of somebody's behaviour based on the information about their personality, you can literally think up anything and drown in potential scenarios, if it's a thing you tend to do. the more time you spend fixated on a person that you only have a general idea about, the more attached you might get to what you imagine him to be and not who they actually are, even though you might continue to project that onto the actual human being.

he might've fancied himself cobain's greatest rival on the other side of the culture war barricades for all we know. it's a coping mechanism alright, for a lot of people who fail to navigate their social relations irl and tend to feel safer resolving things inside their heads. not saying it's a thing with axl, but who knows. that friend must've known something about this, if he felt the need to keep an eye on him.

[Frey]

11 minutes ago, tiutso said:

honestly, you wouldn't believe how much harder i'd obsess over some people with whom i wasn't that well-acquainted, as opposed to those i actually knew.  if you don't have a legitimate model of somebody's behaviour based on the information about their personality, you can literally think up anything and drown in potential scenarios, if it's a thing you tend to do. the more time you spend fixated on a person that you only have a general idea about, the more attached you might get to what you imagine him to be and not who they actually are, even though you might continue to project that onto the actual human being.

he might've fancied himself cobain's greatest rival on the other side of the culture war barricades for all we know. it's a coping mechanism alright, for a lot of people who fail to navigate their social relations irl and tend to feel safer resolving things inside their heads. not saying it's a thing with axl, but who knows. that friend must've known something about this, if he felt the need to keep an eye on him.

That's something pretty far removed from my own experience, but I could see Axl being like that.

Sounds similar actually to his obsession with Slash and how he tended (tends?) to project a lot of stuff onto him too, especially in the years Slash wasn't in his life.

Though I think he probably saw a kindred spirit or something at first in Cobain and then became bitter when Cobain publically snubbed him.

Btw, Bryn Bridenthal is a woman and I'm not sure if I'd really call her a friend. She was a Geffen Records PR person for the band or something like that. Though she was obviously pretty close to Axl if she spent hours talking to him on the phone.

 

 

Edited November 6, 2016 by Frey