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4 hours ago, Frey said:
20 hours ago, Blackstar said:

@Rocketqueen76, @Frey, here are two quotes from the book I mentioned. Bryn Bridenthal was (is?) publicity head in Geffen. She was very close to the band, and seemingly to Axl in particular (maybe she still is).

The first one is about Kurt's death (Nirvana was also in Geffen) and Axl's reaction on it (something I've always wondered about):

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It's strange that Axl felt such a strong connection with Kurt that he could come to the point to hurt himself. The fact that he liked Nirvana and that he maybe felt he had things in common with Kurt as a person isn't enough of an explanation; he barely knew him. I suspect that it had to do with Axl's beliefs in past lives and all that.

10 hours ago, Lumikki said:

Thank you for posting these, those are definitely new to me as well.

I am absolutely baffled that she would be so worried about Axl hurting himself over Kurt Cobain's death. You're right, what you describe isn't enough of an explanation. Past life thing... maybe, but that'd still be incredibly weird and "a bit" of an over-reaction.

I guess it also depends what she means by hurting himself. Self-harming behavior? Suicide attempts? Destroying furniture and hurting himself in the process? Taking drugs?  Though all of these seem way too extreme to me considering their (non-)relationship.

Not too long ago I was talking to @killuridols and @Andy14 about Axl cutting himself with razor blades. Supposedly he stopped doing that because he didn't want to be left with scars and figured it was better to destroy his stuff instead of his body, but maybe he didn't completely stop that kind of thing and Bryn Bridenthal was worried about something along these lines? Or something similiar to the incident where he swallowed an entire bottle of pills during a fight with Erin?

No matter what though, I can't really wrap my head around it. This is one of these stories that seem to indicate that Axl might be way more messed up than we tend to think even.

As for the second story, I don't even know what to say to that one. So Axl can magically tell if people are fucking Courtney Love? :lol: Uhm, interesting skill to have, I guess...

And why does he need vibe sniffers if he's so talented at this himself

... is just bizarre.

I can't wrap my head around Axl potentially reacting like that to Kurt Cobain's death either.

Maybe Bryn Bridenthal was also over-estimating just how sensitive and emotionally unstable Axl is. Or she knows what she's talking about, in which case... urgh. How did they ever dare to leave him out of their sight?

Also what? Axl used to self-harm with razor blades?

First time I've heard that.

God, what a messed up kid he must have been. Shit like that nearly makes me go all Sinead O'Connor too. And I look nothing like Sinead O'Connor :lol:

 

20 hours ago, Blackstar said:

The second quote is about Courtney Love. There was this bit in the 2000 RS article: 

After a shouting match with Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love backstage at the 1992 MTV Video Music Awards at UCLA's Pauley Pavillion, Axl told a friend that Love was trying to possess him. "He believes people are always trying to find a window through to control his energy," a friend says.

Here there's more about it:

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This obviously has to do with the new age stuff. It seems that Axl was scared of her. I've been wondering if there was a back story between them. Courtney Love was a stripper in L.A. for some time and I remember reading her saying that one of the reasons Kurt hated Axl was the stories from strip clubs she was telling him.

I already commented on this in my reply to @nonok, but yeah, WTF :lol:

Special abilities indigo child Axl starts now.

This story also reminds me of Axl getting upset about Buckethead's disgusting porn, because he didn't want to have these vibes in the studio either.

And strip club stories? What? Never heard about this.

8 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

About Axl hurting Himself with razor blade N' pills where I could read tht, Axl's sensitive Guy, I know I shouldnt have said this but I'm glad He didnt ended like Kurt.

 

Axl cutting himself:

How do you explain your volatile nature?

When I get stressed, I get violent and take it out on myself. I've pulled razor blades on myself but then realized that having a scar is more detrimental than not having a stereo. I'd rather kick in my stereo than cut my arm. I'd rather kick my stereo in than go punch somebody in the face. When I get mad or upset or emotional, sometimes I'll walk over and play my piano.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-rolling-stone-interview-axl-rose-19890810

He talks about swallowing a bunch of pills during the 1991 Kurt Loder interview for example, when talking about Coma. Someone once posted an article with Tom Zutaut talking abou that incident as well.

 

Also welcome to the Sinead O'Connor club. I was apparently channelling Sinead O'Connor before I knew she felt the same way about Axl as me. :P

And yes, similar to the Buckethead issue. It seems like Axl really wanted CD to be "pure" and "clean" (in a spiritual sense, I guess) and everything he considered dirty and not pure enough (violent pornography, Courtney Love :tongue2:) was not welcome.

As for the strip clubs, Courtney even referenced something about a strip club when she was recently defending Axl and said that he was misunderstood.

 

6 hours ago, nonok said:

The fact that he's such an enigma and no matter what he does we can't figure him out is probably why we all still defend him so much and root for him despite all the shit in his head and in his world. So let's not hate this wonderful, weird and insane creature without knowing what's really going on in his head. We all love him deep down inside... More often than not in some other places as well. :lol:

Yes. I also believe that Axl is actually not a bad person, even a pretty good one these days when you take away all the bullshit and externalities. Since we're being all spiritual and new age-y here at the moment, I'm gonna put it this way: Unlike a lot of people in this world, Axl doesn't give me bad person vibes. Messed up and stuggling person vibes? Yes. But not bad or evil.

I like what Robert John says here in this shitty documentary (starts around 7:40):

"I think it hurt Axl when people started leaving. 'Cause you know as much crap as people say about Axl, deep down inside he's got a really, really great heart. Okay? He's hard to deal with at times, in fact extremely hard to deal with at times, but he's a very good person deep down inside and you know, he wants things his way, and when the guys started leaving, I think it really affected him. Because I know certain key band members that he would talk about constantly. And when he talks about something constantly, that's because they hurt him."

Also this: "Because I know certain key band members that he would talk about constantly. And when he talks about something constantly, that's because they hurt him." 

That's something we've already figured out ourselves :lol: Pretty obvious with "certain key band members".

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Slash787 said:

Yeah she seems like a very nice person, I love Steven but I really salute her for putting up with a person like Steven Adler.

I have a feeling she is maybe not that comfortable with Susan and Meegan.  

What gives you that impression? Is it because she seems like a normal everyday kind of lass? 

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35 minutes ago, Frey said:

I don't. On the one hand Alan Niven likes to talk about Axl being autistic or having various mental illnesses, on the other hand he keeps whining about how much of a burden he was to everyone around him. That kind of thinking leads down an ugly road, so for that alone I can't take him seriously. Not to mention all the other crazy shit that's come out of his mouth.

And no matter how exhausting and difficult Axl might have been to deal with, I find it really hard to believe that he was 100% responsible for the band's demise and just "drove everyone off". The more I learn about Slash, Izzy, Steven and Duff (to a lesser extent), the less credible I find this often propagated version of events.

I've always thought Niven had to be a bit insane in the membrane to be able to deal with a band full of crazy mofos like GNR. Like Izzy said, he was the sixth silent member of the band. Equally :crazy:

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1 hour ago, Frey said:

I don't. On the one hand Alan Niven likes to talk about Axl being autistic or having various mental illnesses, on the other hand he keeps whining about how much of a burden he was to everyone around him. That kind of thinking leads down an ugly road, so for that alone I can't take him seriously. Not to mention all the other crazy shit that's come out of his mouth.

And no matter how exhausting and difficult Axl might have been to deal with, I find it really hard to believe that he was 100% responsible for the band's demise and just "drove everyone off". The more I learn about Slash, Izzy, Steven and Duff (to a lesser extent), the less credible I find this often propagated version of events.

 

 

Jesus. The more I find out about Axl, the more I empathize with him. I really feel for him. From what I can tell, and like it was said in the above video @Lumikki posted, Axl can seem like a dick on the surface but is actually a big softie underneath all that bullshit. I definitely don't think he was the sole person responsible for the fall of GNR. It took a lot more than Axl Rose's ego for that band to fall apart. 

Now, the self harm story has been discredited. What of the autism theory? I've NEVER heard that one before! 

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1 hour ago, Jane M. said:

I've always thought Niven had to be a bit insane in the membrane to be able to deal with a band full of crazy mofos like GNR. Like Izzy said, he was the sixth silent member of the band. Equally :crazy:

You're probably right there :lol: I used to think Niven was just a dick, but when he started going on about Satan and ACDC (and some other stuff) I started to seriously question his sanity lol.

37 minutes ago, Kara said:

Jesus. The more I find out about Axl, the more I empathize with him. I really feel for him. From what I can tell, and like it was said in the above video @Lumikki posted, Axl can seem like a dick on the surface but is actually a big softie underneath all that bullshit. I definitely don't think he was the sole person responsible for the fall of GNR. It took a lot more than Axl Rose's ego for that band to fall apart. 

Now, the self harm story has been discredited. What of the autism theory? I've NEVER heard that one before! 

A while ago Alan Niven said he thinks Axl was misdiagnosed back then (the bipolar stuff). These days, he thinks Axl is in fact a high-functioning autistic. He came to this conclusion because he lives with a girl named Briar Rose (or something ridiculous like that) who has Asperger's and apparently it's "like living with Axl all over again". He (jokingly) figures he must have been really mean to an autistic kid in a past life for him to now get "punished" with multiple autistic kids with the name Rose. :rolleyes:

Alan Niven also thinks Axl is bisexual (seemingly mostly based on the way he used to dress) and that he's inviting Satan into his life and damning himself to burn in hell by playing with an evil satanic band like ACDC.

So yeah... take everything he says with a huge grain of salt. He used to be their manager and presumably knows a lot about them, but a lot of the shit he says is downright crazy or dumb.

How/when has the self harm story been discredited though? He himself talked about cutting himself with razor blades in that interview and Bryn Bridenthal seemed to think it was still an issue in 1994.

 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Frey said:

You're probably right there :lol: I used to think Niven was just a dick, but when he started going on about Satan and ACDC (and some other stuff) I started to seriously question his sanity lol.

A while ago Alan Niven said he thinks Axl was misdiagnosed back then (the bipolar stuff). These days, he thinks Axl is in fact a high-functioning autistic. He came to this conclusion because he lives with a girl named Briar Rose (or something ridiculous like that) who has Asperger's and apparently it's "like living with Axl all over again". He figures he must have been really mean to an autistic kid in a past life for him to now get punished with multiple autistic kids with the name Rose.

Alan Niven also thinks Axl is bisexual (based on the way he used to dress) and that he's inviting Satan into his life and damning himself to burn in hell by playing with an evil satanic band like ACDC.

So yeah... take everything he says with a huge grain of salt. He used to be their manager and presumably knows a lot about them, but a lot of the shit he says is downright crazy or dumb.

How/when has the self harm story been discredited though? He himself talked about cutting himself with razor blades in that interview and Bryn Bridenthal seemed to think it was still an issue in 1994.

 

 

 

Yeah sounds to me like this guy has a whole slew of issues himself and has no business talking shit about anybody.

So, he "diagnosed" Axl based off of some random girl with similar personality traits? Yeah ok. Thanks a lot Dr. Niven! 

And Axl being bisexual?! I don't think that's true. But even if it is, why does it matter and why would it need to be brought up? 

Wow, just wow! :facepalm:

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3 hours ago, Slash787 said:

Yeah she seems like a very nice person, I love Steven but I really salute her for putting up with a person like Steven Adler.

I have a feeling she is maybe not that comfortable with Susan and Meegan.  

I know what you mean. It's not so much Susan and Meegan, but I guess she may not be as comfortable in that "rock wife" role, especially when next to two models. But the relationship and Steven is probably better for it. 

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6 hours ago, Lumikki said:

 

Axl cutting himself:

How do you explain your volatile nature?

When I get stressed, I get violent and take it out on myself. I've pulled razor blades on myself but then realized that having a scar is more detrimental than not having a stereo. I'd rather kick in my stereo than cut my arm. I'd rather kick my stereo in than go punch somebody in the face. When I get mad or upset or emotional, sometimes I'll walk over and play my piano.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-rolling-stone-interview-axl-rose-19890810

^THIS is what I thought discredited the whole cutting/self harm stories. I took this to mean that he used to sometimes THINK about hurting himself, but then he'd stop and take his anger out on his possessions rather than himself or others. Having read it again, however, I realize that doesn't necessarily mean he never did it, just that he eventually knew when it was time to stop. @Frey

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8 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

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Does Stevens girlfriend remind anyone else of Katy Perry? 

Awww what a sweetheart... she must be special enough to have changed him to be a better person and leave addiction for good (we can pray so!). Btw, isn't she (I thought) his wife? Or really just his girlfriend? 

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I'd like to toss in my two cents in regards to the Kurt Cobain story.

I would not be surprised at all if someone felt they wanted to break this news to Axl gently and were worried about how he'd take it.

First of all, Axl was going through a lot of shit in late '93, early '94. The Steven lawsuit was being settled, the Stephanie lawsuit was happening with Erin jumping in to sue him as well. Also during this time Guns N' Roses was very definitely falling apart. It was early '94, I believe, when he used his nuclear option with the name ownership. Brought on by himself? Possibly, but regardless it was a lot of shit he was going through. That much stuff going on in your life would be stressful for even the most mentally and emotionally stable people. And I don't believe that is something Axl has ever been accused of being. So, likely, Axl was not in a good mental place during that time of his life.

Now lets add in Kurt's suicide.

Axl and Kurt had a relationship. Sure it was an antagonistic relationship but Kurt wasn't just some with random musician, this was a person who Axl knew. And he didn't just die, which is bad enough, he blew his own head off. Learning someone you know committed suicide in a horrific way is jarring/traumatic enough for someone who isn't already emotionally unstable. But for someone who is? Yeah, I think I'd be worried about them as well.

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I'm sorry to deviate from the past a bit (Kurt-Cobainy-Axl-related-issues), and I'm about to raise a petty question here, but this is the Women's thread after all, so....

 

I think we've all noticed a trimmer and better looking Axl this SA tour, but I can't help to notice he seemed to slimmed down overall (even now sporting a handsome neck and chin *drool*) but his midsection is still visibly pushing against his Tshirt (though to a lesser extent). 

I'm not asking for an argument or answer here lol... just something I noticed. I hope he continues to take care of his diet and physical down the road and keep it as his lifestyle.

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29 minutes ago, cheesecake said:

I'm sorry to deviate from the past a bit (Kurt-Cobainy-Axl-related-issues), and I'm about to raise a petty question here, but this is the Women's thread after all, so....

 

I think we've all noticed a trimmer and better looking Axl this SA tour, but I can't help to notice he seemed to slimmed down overall (even now sporting a handsome neck and chin *drool*) but his midsection is still visibly pushing against his Tshirt (though to a lesser extent). 

I'm not asking for an argument or answer here lol... just something I noticed. I hope he continues to take care of his diet and physical down the road and keep it as his lifestyle.

Other things beside Slaxl cute moment, I want to see Slaxl do yoga with Duff as Their trainer. C'mon Duff! Just drag Them N' force Them to do yoga with You!

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14 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

Other things beside Slaxl cute moment, I want to see Slaxl do yoga with Duff as Their trainer. C'mon Duff! Just drag Them N' force Them to do yoga with You!

What a coincidence. I'm in the midst of incorporating more yoga regularly into my life at the moment and was just done watching a power yoga video lol

Seeing Slaxl performing yoga is good, but it would be great if I get to perform yoga with Axl alone  :ph34r: Okay... enough with making readers here puking their meals :lol:sorry guys for that.

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4 minutes ago, cheesecake said:

What a coincidence. I'm in the midst of incorporating more yoga regularly into my life at the moment and was just done watching a power yoga video lol

Seeing Slaxl performing yoga is good, but it would be great if I get to perform yoga with Axl alone  :ph34r: Okay... enough with making readers here puking their meals :lol:sorry guys for that.

You mean yoga in bed? 

:smiley-confused2:

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2 minutes ago, marlingrl03 said:

 

They are too freaking cute for words! 

The first thing tht I see on tht pic, Slash's lock necklace :ph34r::duff:

2 hours ago, Jane M. said:

And screenshot taken for no special reason, it's just a habit I have.

I wanna read the lyric! Maybe it will related to the reunion again

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2 hours ago, cheesecake said:

I think we've all noticed a trimmer and better looking Axl this SA tour, but I can't help to notice he seemed to slimmed down overall (even now sporting a handsome neck and chin *drool*) but his midsection is still visibly pushing against his Tshirt (though to a lesser extent). 

I'm not asking for an argument or answer here lol... just something I noticed. I hope he continues to take care of his diet and physical down the road and keep it as his lifestyle.

Noticed that since some time. He for example has slimmer arms but still a big belly. the proportions are not right, it looks a bit weird. I guess he is one of the people who gets fat on his stomach first, and then the rest. So the stomach fat is the hardest for him to get rid off again.

 

 

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1 hour ago, marlingrl03 said:

 

They are too freaking cute for words! 

Nothing can be farther than the truth. I wanna see this couple still going strong 20-30 years from now. I wish them the very best :wub:

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5 hours ago, cheesecake said:

Awww what a sweetheart... she must be special enough to have changed him to be a better person and leave addiction for good (we can pray so!). Btw, isn't she (I thought) his wife? Or really just his girlfriend? 

She is his wife, they are married. 

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12 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

What gives you that impression? Is it because she seems like a normal everyday kind of lass? 

I guess cause they are not "Besties" like Susan and Meegan and maybe there is a cultural difference and a language barrier. 

But they have mutual respect for each other and Susan has always been nice to Caro and Steven, even before this reunion, both of them went to dinner with Duff and Susan. 

But I guess Carolina won't be comfortable doing the "Girly" talk with Susan and Meegan. 

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On 4.11.2016 at 10:23 PM, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I just put how from the images we have seen of inside Axls house it looks the most down to earth house I've seen of a celebrity. Doesn't look to me like a rock stars house lol. 

I find it odd that his touring lifestyle seems so out of sync with his home life. 

I would expect his house to be all luxury and tack, but it doesn't look it :shrugs:

Ok, so where can i find fotos of Axls house? I have seen this one video of the Austrian girl... 

And thanks @Frey for all the TB information and your effort for putting it all togetether in your post. For some reason I cannot quote your post. I acutally didn't know all that. It is a huge and wierd thing and i still don't understand why Axl would not, after so many years, see through all this. Surely Izzy, Slash and Duff must have told him about their encounters with TB. But maybe Axl is more unstable than i thought and more dependent on them. I really wished he would have himself properly diagnosed and put to therapy by qualified psychotherapists. But I'm sure we all feel that way. From where i sit it feels like Axl can never be really happy and sane and whole.

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1 hour ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

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17 hours ago, marlingrl03 said:

Duff lookin good night! 

 

Both Axl N' Duff are trying to seduce Slash, So who's gonna win? :ph34r:

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