GNR Women's discussion

[Lanna]

Hello everybody!

Congratulations to Carlycosmos and the other girls who post here! Lots of interesting facts and beautiful photos. Well, as my favourite is Axl / what a surprise / I spent about an hour on watching this chat :

  

and it was a pleasant surprise - a nice, clever man ; hurrayyy, the boy has finally grown up! And then comes the bucket of cold water...

What is it?!

 

 

I don't know why, but it reminds me of this :

Anyway, that hotel room photo is amazing as it is one of those photography exhibition ones - 1 glance and you get a sack of pure true answers.

I have googled a bit the "mysterious'' woman under the blanket and uncle Google just confirmed that she is what the photo shows she is :

There are many more, but I won't be that evil.

And then, to top it all, comes this :

http://www.mademan.com/chickipedia/sasha-volkova

She claims she's been with Axl for 10 years...For me, it would be a great disappointment if she is the woman of his heart.

What do you think girls? Is Axl a hopeless case?

[Jane M.]

1 hour ago, -W.A.R- said:

i think he just leaned up to the mic and screams

quality is so bad its hard its hard to see

i highly doubt Axl woulda just let Slash kiss him like that

Drugs and booze might do the magic.

[Słash]

46 minutes ago, Lanna said:

Hello everybody!

Congratulations to Carlycosmos and the other girls who post here! Lots of interesting facts and beautiful photos. Well, as my favourite is Axl / what a surprise / I spent about an hour on watching this chat :

  

and it was a pleasant surprise - a nice, clever man ; hurrayyy, the boy has finally grown up! And then comes the bucket of cold water...

What is it?!

 

 

I don't know why, but it reminds me of this :

Anyway, that hotel room photo is amazing as it is one of those photography exhibition ones - 1 glance and you get a sack of pure true answers.

I have googled a bit the "mysterious'' woman under the blanket and uncle Google just confirmed that she is what the photo shows she is :

There are many more, but I won't be that evil.

And then, to top it all, comes this :

http://www.mademan.com/chickipedia/sasha-volkova

She claims she's been with Axl for 10 years...For me, it would be a great disappointment if she is the woman of his heart.

What do you think girls? Is Axl a hopeless case?

After Steph, Axl has just kept fuck buddies.

Steph was also a fuck buddy, but he did fall in love with her eventually but well things dint work out. 

for him his only true love was and maybe still is Erin

[Lumikki]

@Lanna Hi there and welcome! And nice CSI work for your first post. But yes, Sasha is (or was at least) an escort / C-grade model. She accompanies all kinds of famous men to various events. Her and Axl's relationship is mysterious, but most people think they're just fuck buddies / friends with benefits etc. Or that she's his beard and covering up for something lol.

@Andy14 I hadn't seen that gif yet! Thanks for posting, it's lovely

Re: Kissing video. Yeah, that's old news. I think that video was actually posted here in the beginning of this thread as well. Or at least mentioned. As much as I wish it was real, I really don't think it is. It just looks that way because of the bad quality of the video.

 

2 hours ago, giuls said:

Another thing that got me like "...Okay, Slash" was when he was talking about Axl going to live at his mum's with him and he said "It wasn’t because we were soul mates or anything" and i didn't understand why he felt need to point this out, it was 2007, at that point in time they weren't talking, we knew that they aren't (weren't) soulmates and it doesn't seem to me like it's a turn of phrase that it's used a lot for describing them, i was always curious about this.
 

AHAHAHAHA Yes!

Slash making sure to mention that he and Axl weren't soul mates made me lol as well when I read his book. I had completely forgotten about that, so thanks for reminding me

But you're absolutely right, Slash and Axl never were commonly described like that, and especially not by 2007, so it is indeed curious that he felt the need to point that out. Maybe it was just some kind of "no homo" moment or something because he was worried Axl moving in with him and sleeping in his room sounded too gay or whatever

Here's where this appears in his book, for anyone who's curious. That entire thing is one of my favorite parts of his book and I wish he'd gone into more detail on that. The time that Axl and Slash were living together is pretty fascinating to me and I wanna know more about it

 

1 hour ago, stella said:

If he were still behaving that way I don't think I could support GnR at all.

And he's also around a lot of women now and seems to respect them and have really good working relationships with them - he put his sister in charge of some stuff on the UYI tour, and now Beta and Vanessa. I honestly don't think Beta and her family would stick around if he were still beating up women.

Same.

And yeah, that's a good point. And it's not even just Beta and Vanessa, but also Kat and Sasha who he is around a lot. And also Fernando's wife, Fernando and Vanessa's two little baby girls, his sister he also still gets along great with... Axl really has close ties and relationships to a lot of women (and little girls) nowadays. And not one of them seems unhappy with him or has ever mentioned anything about him behaving in a less than acceptable way. That's got to be a good sign imo.

2 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

Well Slash looks pretty obsessed N' obsessive with Axl judging by His book.

If You talk bad about Axl in front of Him Im pretty sure He will mad  makes Me thinking about What Slash said to Ash when Ash tells some bad things about Axl before this reunion happens

Slash says at least two times in his book that he doesn't like when other people talk badly about Axl and that only he is allowed to that

 

[nonok]

At times I wonder who is more obsessed with whom. Axl is pretty straightforward in his obsession with Slash (judging by him calling his dad, wife, security, dedicating love songs to him, etc) but Slash, being Slash, is a lot more low-key so he doesn't come off as clingy. Not to mention the adoration they both have for each other's talents - nothing but praise even during all the years of hate. Imo they are soulmates, just not in a romantic sense and Slash knows that, that's why he chose to write that part in his book. And I mean, come on, they had threesomes with Adriana together, something happened. Let me dream!

As for the songs, I agree with your conclusions for the most part, but I have to say I think TIL is more about Erin than Stephanie. The "I've searched the universe and found myself within her eyes" line immediately makes me think of "She's got a smile that it seems to me/ reminds me of childhood memories" and "She's got eyes of the bluest skies/ as if they thought of rain/ I'd hate to look into those eyes and see an ounce of pain". Also "I can't deny/ I just can't let it die/ Cause her heart's just like mine/ she holds the pain inside" and "I'll never say goodbye" remind me of "I'll never find anyone to replace you", of "You're such a stupid woman and I'm such a stupid man" and of Axl not being able to let Erin go even when he was with Stephanie. Erin is his Sweet Child, the love of his life and the woman he's loved to the point of threatening to kill himself if she wouldn't marry him, so a song as emotional (and verging on pathetic) as TIL can easily be about her.

SOD may have some artistic input from Axl's love life, but I also think it's about Slash. Same with Sorry. TWAT is about Steph, obviously.

As for Snakepit, yeah, a lot of the songs have lyrics about Axl on there, but I think that Slash also means he wrote the music about Axl. He wrote riffs and solos that he knew would have been in Guns, had Axl agreed with him, but instead he had to hear them in another band.

Anyway, I love that it's all behind them now and they can be the soulmates they once were. That gif is so amazing! And the video, too. I had to download it!

Edited July 11, 2016 by nonok

[killuridols]

6 hours ago, Lumikki said:

Yeah, it's probably the same lawsuit. He just had a court date with Erin specifically on that particular day, got really pissed for some reason (most likely because it was unpleasant for him -as it should be- listening to Erin talk about all the things he had done to her), and then he wrote a pissy song about it/her. Because getting pissy about it and claiming some weird moral high ground is easier than facing the truth of what he'd done to her again. And what he could have had, if he hadn't screwed things up so spectacularly with her.

By the time that court date with Erin happened and that song was written it was 1995, so Erin was gone, Stephanie had gone, no other woman came after that, the band started completely falling apart at that point... He must have been pretty miserable.

I just read this was said in a Rolling Stone interview. I remember reading that interview but didn't remember that part about the Oklahoma song. That interview is pretty interesting, he says a lot of stuff and if you contrast it with what happened later, there are some things that have seemed to change. It looks like he was still pretty upset by February 2000.

The journalist says the Oklahoma version they heard is an instrumental one, so I was wondering about the lyrics to it? There has to be a version with vocals if he says the song is about Erin and that particular court date. I also wonder why the song wasn't included in CD and if this has to do with some kind of repentment, like, after so many years he may have realized Erin wasn't trying to hurt him so he decided not to add that song?

I would love to hear it but most of all, I'd like to read the lyrics. It is fascinating for me that Erin was still a source of inspiration for his music, whether love or hate, it's amazing how she manages to remain throughout GN'R history. I think this is why she's my number one Axl woman

6 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I suppose the real question is, does anyone believe that Axl has really changed? I mean, here we are, what, 25 ish years later,and there hasn't been any more reports of violent behaviour from him towards women, in all that time. If he did continue with that horriffic behaviour, we would certainly know about it, right? In my opinion we definitely would. 

Maybe it's why he's kept himself away from any serious relationships, that we know of. And no children. 

Seriously, I couldn't be a fan of his if I thought this behaviour had continued at all, it makes for depressing reading as it is. 

 

4 hours ago, stella said:

In this respect, I actually do. What made Axl different from a lot of people in DV cases is that he seemed to be aware of what he had done. So many people including Axl himself have said that he spent tons of money and time in therapy - both conventional and not - to try to get to the bottom of his issues and fix himself. And he didn't make excuses for that - in those interviews from the end of the UYI era, like the last Rolling Stone and RIP interviews, he says, "I did _____ because of ______ but I'm working on it," more or less.

I do agree that if he'd continued to engage in such violent behavior toward women it would be alllll over the Internet. It would be everywhere. I think the fact that we haven't heard is another good sign. If he were still behaving that way I don't think I could support GnR at all.

And he's also around a lot of women now and seems to respect them and have really good working relationships with them - he put his sister in charge of some stuff on the UYI tour, and now Beta and Vanessa. I honestly don't think Beta and her family would stick around if he were still beating up women.

I'd like to think he has changed and I hope he has changed in that aspect. But then again, certain things make me kind of doubt it, or not really doubt it, but it still makes some noise in my head. For example, when he came to this forum to insult Madison and the level of violence of his words made me really sad. Sometimes I can't get over those words. He also said "lesbian cunt", which is directly related to gender.

Seeing him get violent at the airport was also another moment that made me doubt about him changing regarding that topic. It seems like he still has some rage inside. I'm not sure if men ever overcome those kind of demons and if a man ever stops getting violent. It seems like a disease, like a drug addiction when you recover but then fall again.

The fact that we haven't heard of any accussations in the last decade or so I'm not sure if it is an indication of anything good or bad. Hopefully, nothing bad happened with other women again. But there are tons of stories that don't make it to the media for several reasons, and the domestic violence stories are a very delicate subject not sure all media outlets want to deal with, specially if its about celebrities.

First of all, many women, out of fear, will never denounce their partners. Now, if that partner is a powerful man, forget it. Going against someone like Axl (or any other celebrity) is something not many women can do. Look at the case of Stephanie and Erin. They didn't accusse him out of their own will. People usually have it wrong but the truth is AXL started a domestic violence lawsuit against Stephanie and that's when she backfired with another lawsuit, for which she subpoenaed Erin, meaning that she would use Erin's case in her favor to prove that Axl was a violent guy and not her. Erin couldn't scape that shit because she was subpoenaed at the risk of going to jail. Stephanie Seymour was a powerful woman by the time she went against Axl. She had lots of money and good lawyers too. But not everybody is in that position to face a powerful man.

Another thing you girls have it wrong is when you say that since it seems he's good to Beta, Vanessa, Kat, etc. it means he's doing fine now. Well, domestic violence is not about a man beating up every single woman in his life. It usually happens in the inner workings of a romantic relationship and mostly when the couple live together. The violence also usually occurs behind closed doors, not out in the open where other people could intervene and break the circle of violence. Of course, there are extreme cases when the guy will not give a damn and will beat up the woman in front of their children or even other relatives.

With this I'm not saying he still does those things. I don't know. We don't know. Maybe we never know whether because he's stopped doing that for real or because it will never be revealed, or someday it will, like the Bill Cosby case. It took a lifetime for people to start talking about it. Why is that? Because he was a powerful man with all the control in his hands.

Unfortunately, we still live in a world very much controlled by men and the women who want to face men like that need to be in a same position of power, which is oftenly not the case.

There are things around Guns N' Roses that I still dont like and don't approve of, like the whole "picking up girls from the crowd to take backstage". That tells me some things have not changed and that Axl still has some unresolved issues with women. Maybe he doesn't beat them anymore but does he respect women?

I don't know the reason why he's not been into a serious relationship for a long time. Someone said above that maybe he keeps himself away from that so he doesn't get in trouble. That could be a possibilty, but also, that he feels relationships are something he really can't handle. Last month, during the AC/DC shows he talked about his "sad sad love life". Seems like he's craving for a person to love who loves him back. But it seems it's hard for him to find that very special someone. Although, this is not something exclusive of Axl, we all struggle more or less to find that person. Sometimes you never find them

 

Edited July 11, 2016 by killuridols

[killuridols]

40 minutes ago, Lumikki said:

And yeah, that's a good point. And it's not even just Beta and Vanessa, but also Kat and Sasha who he is around a lot. And also Fernando's wife, Fernando and Vanessa's two little baby girls, his sister he also still gets along great with... Axl really has close ties and relationships to a lot of women (and little girls) nowadays. And not one of them seems unhappy with him or has ever mentioned anything about him behaving in a less than acceptable way. That's got to be a good sign imo.

None of those women are in position, right now, to say anything bad about him because they are all in an assymetric relationship with him. They are all financially supported by Axl, even their husbands and children.

Again, I'm not saying he is bad to them or anything, but if you analyze what you're saying and how domestic violence works, it is exactly like this. Personally, I don't think he would beat up Beta or Vanessa. However, neither Beta or Vanessa are in position to go against his power, unless they were really fed up with him and willing to give up on all the perks they receive for working/serving him.

Sasha is another woman in Axl's life who seems vulnerable, easy to manipulate and with no power to face a guy like this. Unless she'd marry one of those millionaire guys she was supposedly dating before. Like Stephanie Seymour did.

 

[ZoSoRose]

You guys are weird

[killuridols]

31 minutes ago, nonok said:

At times I wonder who is more obsessed with whom. Axl is pretty straightforward in his obsession with Slash (judging by him calling his dad, wife, security, dedicating love songs to him, etc) but Slash, being Slash, is a lot more low-key so he doesn't come off as clingy. Not to mention the adoration they both have for each other's talents - nothing but praise even during all the years of hate. Imo they are soulmates, just not in a romantic sense and Slash knows that, that's why he chose to write that part in his book. And I mean, come on, they had threesomes with Adriana together, something happened. Let me dream!

As for the songs, I agree with your conclusions for the most part, but I have to say I think TIL is more about Erin than Stephanie. The "I've searched the universe and found myself within her eyes" line immediately makes me think of "She's got a smile that it seems to me/ reminds me of childhood memories" and "She's got eyes of the bluest skies/ as if they thought of rain/ I'd hate to look into those eyes and see an ounce of pain". Also "I can't deny/ I just can't let it die/ Cause her heart's just like mine/ she holds the pain inside" and "I'll never say goodbye" remind me of "I'll never find anyone to replace you", of "You're such a stupid woman and I'm such a stupid man" and of Axl not being able to let Erin go even when he was with Stephanie. Erin is his Sweet Child, the love of his life and the woman he's loved to the point of threatening to kill himself if she wouldn't marry him, so a song as emotional (and verging on pathetic) as TIL can easily be about her.

I like your analysis of This I Love, haha, maybe you're right. Also "ill never find anyone to replace you" reminds me of one of the love letter he sent to Erin. He says stuff like that even in those old letters

Now I'd like to know about this Oklahoma song. If it's a negative song about Erin then I don't know how TIL could be about her too. And why wasn't this song included in CD? Will it be included in the next album or he rathers write completely new lyrics that represent him more in this time and age

As for Slash and Axl obsession, lo, yeah I agree with you that one seems to be more vocal about it than the other but they both were obsessed with each other and they both love each other's talent to the point of hating themselves and coming back together after so much hate.

Axl is happy because after so many years he got what he wanted: Slash back in the band. Now I hope he doesn't give up and can convince Slash to stay for a longer time and write a fucking album with him! Slash would be too shitty if he didn't accept this. Seriously, after so many years listening to the dead cat Myles Kennedy how much cooler it is to listen to Axl singing the GN'R songs like they are supposed to be?

Another thing I noticed is that when Axl loves something he is pretty vocal about it: Slash, Stephanie, Erin, Dylan, Beta, CD.... while he's never talked about Sasha, Ellen and all the others without a name, haha-

[giuls]

1 hour ago, Lumikki said:

 

 

AHAHAHAHA Yes! Slash making sure to mention that he and Axl weren't soul mates made me lol as well when I read his book. I had completely forgotten about that, so thanks for reminding me

But you're absolutely right, Slash and Axl never were commonly described like that, and especially not by 2007, so it is indeed curious that he felt the need to point that out. Maybe it was just some kind of "no homo" moment or something because he was worried Axl moving in with him and sleeping in his room sounded too gay or whatever

Here's where this appears in his book, for anyone who's curious. That entire thing is one of my favorite parts of his book and I wish he'd gone into more detail on that. The time that Axl and Slash were living together is pretty fascinating to me and I wanna know more about it

 

 

 

Slash says at least two times in his book that he doesn't like when other people talk badly about Axl and that only he is allowed to that

 

i thought about some kind of no homo bullshit too but then it's like "LOL, Izzy came on my leg and i had threesomes with Steven and his girlfriend" and those are more damning, imo and, correct me if i'm wrong it's been awhile since i read the book, he never talked about threesome with Axl so again, why this need of pointing it out?

It is a nice domestic imagine, Axl sleeping in Slash's room surrounded by his animals while he waited for Slash to come back from work but it was only about helping out a friend so... 

 

Yes, he said that no-one else has the right to talk shit about Axl because he was the one that he had to deal with Axl's shit, i remember commenting with a friend, saying that Izzy and Duff had to deal with Axl too, what did he mean no-one else? Poor Izzy and Duff, they should be free to bitch too. 

 

48 minutes ago, killuridols said:

As for Slash and Axl obsession, lo, yeah I agree with you that one seems to be more vocal about it than the other but they both were obsessed with each other and they both love each other's talent to the point of hating themselves and coming back together after so much hate.

Axl is happy because after so many years he got what he wanted: Slash back in the band. Now I hope he doesn't give up and can convince Slash to stay for a longer time and write a fucking album with him! Slash would be too shitty if he didn't accept this. Seriously, after so many years listening to the dead cat Myles Kennedy how much cooler it is to listen to Axl singing the GN'R songs like they are supposed to be?

Another thing I noticed is that when Axl loves something he is pretty vocal about it: Slash, Stephanie, Erin, Dylan, Beta, CD.... while he's never talked about Sasha, Ellen and all the others without a name, haha-

I'm sure that now that Axl has his claws back in Slash he's not gonna let go, Myles would have to pry Slash from his cold, dead hands or at least, before going back slash has to promise to record with Axl again  (i actually like him but he's not Axl)

 

About the women subject, i don't know, the only certain thing it's that we haven't heard about anything like that in a long time so he could be very well reformed, i, at least, hope so.

[Juliette]

3 hours ago, Lanna said:

Hello everybody!

Congratulations to Carlycosmos and the other girls who post here! Lots of interesting facts and beautiful photos. Well, as my favourite is Axl / what a surprise / I spent about an hour on watching this chat :

  

and it was a pleasant surprise - a nice, clever man ; hurrayyy, the boy has finally grown up! And then comes the bucket of cold water...

What is it?!

 

 

I don't know why, but it reminds me of this :

Anyway, that hotel room photo is amazing as it is one of those photography exhibition ones - 1 glance and you get a sack of pure true answers.

I have googled a bit the "mysterious'' woman under the blanket and uncle Google just confirmed that she is what the photo shows she is :

There are many more, but I won't be that evil.

And then, to top it all, comes this :

http://www.mademan.com/chickipedia/sasha-volkova

She claims she's been with Axl for 10 years...For me, it would be a great disappointment if she is the woman of his heart.

What do you think girls? Is Axl a hopeless case?

hI. I´m sorry for the Sasha supporters but I don´t like this girl for Axl.  She seems to be a w h o r e, more than a girlfriend of 10 years.

He is a extremely smart guy, and he could do way better. It´s his life , ok but I would love to see him with a woman like Susan or Meegan that they seems inlove whit their men.  

Axl deserves a good woman, not a ·"·"·$·· w...e,

 

 

Edited July 11, 2016 by Juliette

[killuridols]

3 hours ago, Lanna said:

Hello everybody!

Congratulations to Carlycosmos and the other girls who post here! Lots of interesting facts and beautiful photos. Well, as my favourite is Axl / what a surprise / I spent about an hour on watching this chat :

  

and it was a pleasant surprise - a nice, clever man ; hurrayyy, the boy has finally grown up! And then comes the bucket of cold water...

wooooh that's a very good picture for my collection of

Thank you!! and welcome to the JUNGLE of crazy GN'R female fans

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I don't know why, but it reminds me of this :

Anyway, that hotel room photo is amazing as it is one of those photography exhibition ones - 1 glance and you get a sack of pure true answers.

 

yes yes! I tried to find something like that! I knew that picture reminded me of something and yes, you've got it, hahaha

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I have googled a bit the "mysterious'' woman under the blanket and uncle Google just confirmed that she is what the photo shows she is :

There are many more, but I won't be that evil.

And then, to top it all, comes this :

http://www.mademan.com/chickipedia/sasha-volkova

She claims she's been with Axl for 10 years...For me, it would be a great disappointment if she is the woman of his heart.

What do you think girls? Is Axl a hopeless case?

Why is she mysterious? I think we all knew it was her wrapped in that hospital sheet

lol at that "Chickipedia" thing. Didn't know something like that existed

I'm shocked at this descriptions!

Hobbies
Being used by men. Having men____ in her mouth. Snacks on......

Assets
Flexible and bendy. .......................... Swallows ..... and urine

Vices
Vodka enemas Can suck big.....

I think I've read about "enemas" and "urine" in this thread before,,,,, why does it sound familiar, eh?

 

Lastly, I don't think she's the woman of Axl's heart or else he wouldn't be talking about his sad sad love life.

 

[Jane M.]

22 minutes ago, giuls said:

i thought about some kind of no homo bullshit too but then it's like "LOL, Izzy came on my leg and i had threesomes with Steven and his girlfriend" and those are more damning, imo and, correct me if i'm wrong it's been awhile since i read the book, he never talked about threesome with Axl so again, why this need of pointing it out?

Fucking gross, that's why I don't like his book, nor Steven's. Barf.

Anyways, Slash doesn't need to talk about threesomes with Axl because there's pics about it. It's more like a foursome actually.

[killuridols]

1 hour ago, ZoSoRose said:

You guys are weird

 

[Frey]

58 minutes ago, Juliette said:

hI. I´m sorry for the Sasha supporters but I don´t like this girl for Axl.  She seems to be a w h o r e, more than a girlfriend of 10 years.

He is a extremely smart guy, and he could do way better. It´s his life , ok but I would love to see him with a woman like Susan or Meegan that they seems inlove whit their men.  

Axl deserves a good woman, not a ·"·"·$·· w...e

Uuhm... I don't think you'll find any Sasha fans here. Have never seen any. This isn't Instagram.

[Juliette]

5 minutes ago, Frey said:

Uuhm... I don't think you'll find any Sasha fans here. Have never seen any. This isn't Instagram.

 I´m newbie in the forum hahahhahha.

If she is Axl`s girlfriend , what surprise me is that he never talks about her in twitter, por example 

[Lumikki]

3 hours ago, nonok said:

At times I wonder who is more obsessed with whom. Axl is pretty straightforward in his obsession with Slash (judging by him calling his dad, wife, security, dedicating love songs to him, etc) but Slash, being Slash, is a lot more low-key so he doesn't come off as clingy. Not to mention the adoration they both have for each other's talents - nothing but praise even during all the years of hate. Imo they are soulmates, just not in a romantic sense and Slash knows that, that's why he chose to write that part in his book. And I mean, come on, they had threesomes with Adriana together, something happened. Let me dream!

I love your entire post, but I especially agree with this part. Yes, Slash definitely is way better at hiding his Axl obsession. It probably has to do with him wanting to look cool (or whatever it was that Marc Canter said), while Axl has always been straight-in-your-face, no hiding his emotions at all, no matter if it's "cool" or not. But yeah, I like your interpretation of why Slash chose to write that soul mates bit And yes, yes, you're right, something happened. I believe in that too

 

@killuridols Cutting up all the parts I want to quote is too hard on my phone, so I'm just gonna write my thoughts randomly

Re: Oklahoma and Erin. Around the year 2000 Axl was still very similar to 80/90s Axl. He was still constantly being late for concerts then, cancelling concerts, cancelling entire tours and being a brat in general (I remember there used to be some crazy stories around from those days about Axl's asshole behavior). He only really seemed to gradually change from 2006 onwards. So I'm not surprised that he was still upset around that time and only later let go of it (at least it mostly seems like he moved on now). And yes, the thought that this is why Oklahoma was not included on CD crossed my mind as well, but then again a lot of songs weren't included on CD, so who knows.

I disagree about his treatment of Beta, Vanessa, etc. not being an indicator for him having changed. In most cases I would tend to agree with you, but Axl doesn't just have a history of domestic violence against women he's in romantic relationships with, he has a history of being violent against women in general. It's not just Erin or Steph he beat. There are many other examples of him being violent with women- the female neighbor he attacked, the woman in Lafayette he beat with his cast, the girl he pushed down the stairs for refusing to have sex with him, etc. Quite frankly, he was a violent, misogynist douchebag and no woman was safe from him if she somehow "offended" him in some way.

I agree that some of the women around Axl are pretty dependent on him, but people like Beta, Vanessa or Kat are secure and well-off enough that they could leave and do something else if they really wanted to (Sasha might be a different story, but she's probably just gonna marry a rich old guy or something soon). I don't get the impression that they want to leave at all though.

All things considered, I'm willing to buy he has changed at least somewhat, because the few incidents we have seen where he lost control of his temper again are all pretty minor when compared to the shit he did in the 80s/90s. And it's been what? 4 or 5 minor incidents that we know of over the span of 15 years? That's nothing for someone who used to really struggle with rage and violence problems. And with the exception of Madison, all the recent victims of these incidents were men.

By the way, you forgot my favorite recent-ish (okay 10 years ago...) Axl losing his temper moment It's when he got into a fight with a Swedish security guy and fucking bit the guy's leg. That's just so crazy, it's already hilarious again. A grown man biting another man's leg like some kind of yappy little dog. Only Axl

Also, the language he used with Madison was obviously pretty damning and made me question how far he's really come, and so does all the Andrei bullshit and some other small details... And you asked if he truly respects women or just stopped beating them. Well, I have a lot of thoughts on that and none of them are very much in Axl's favor, but I'm not sure the GnR forum is ready for some hardcore feminist discussion I guess in Axl's case, considering his history, I'm mostly just glad he seems to have reached basic human decency levels when it comes to his treatment of women. I'm not holding out too much hope for anything more than that, tbh. Too many things I see speaking against that.

As for that weird chickipedia site, I think that stuff was just written by someone who hates her. Obsessed Axl fan or something. (And the enema jokes are never gonna go away again now, are they? I just saw the another one by @MillionsOfSpiders in the Social Media thread )

 

1 hour ago, giuls said:

i thought about some kind of no homo bullshit too but then it's like "LOL, Izzy came on my leg and i had threesomes with Steven and his girlfriend" and those are more damning, imo and, correct me if i'm wrong it's been awhile since i read the book, he never talked about threesome with Axl so again, why this need of pointing it out?

It is a nice domestic imagine, Axl sleeping in Slash's room surrounded by his animals while he waited for Slash to come back from work but it was only about helping out a friend so... 

Yes, he said that no-one else has the right to talk shit about Axl because he was the one that he had to deal with Axl's shit, i remember commenting with a friend, saying that Izzy and Duff had to deal with Axl too, what did he mean no-one else? Poor Izzy and Duff, they should be free to bitch too. 

Lol true. But maybe because while they may never have been described as soul mates, Slash and Axl's relationship always was the most talked about relationship and the focus of the media. No one apart from hardcore fans really cared or cares about Slash's relationship with Izzy for example. Maybe that's why he didn't feel comfortable putting too much damning material into the book when it came to his and Axl's relationship. Like you said, he also never mentioned having threesomes with Axl in his book, and we know for a fact that this kind of thing happened. And more than once too There's the incident documented in the pictures, there's the other threesome they had that Adriana recently talked about, there's Axl himself talking about being around all the time when Slash fucked girls... So maybe he was afraid someone would make stuff like him having threesomes with Axl or Axl moving in with him into some kind of story, while he was pretty sure no one would really care about Izzy coming on his leg (except us insane people here lol).

And it's alright, Izzy has no problem at all bitching about Axl, he's done that a lot And Duff is too nice to bitch much lol.

Edited July 11, 2016 by Lumikki

[cheesecake]

6 hours ago, Slash787 said:

Why are you leaving?

Before leaving at least tell what kind of a Cheesecake are you? 

OT for a bit here to address the 2nd ques... this kind  : 

[Frey]

2 minutes ago, Juliette said:

 I´m newbie in the forum hahahhahha.

If she is Axl`s girlfriend , what surprise me is that he never talks about her in twitter, por example 

If you read through this thread (Sasha has been discussed quite a few times), you'll see that most people here don't like her and just think she's Axl's escort/fuck buddy/etc. No one here thinks she really is his girlfriend. At least not in the traditional sense of the word. So I guess you'll enjoy this thread 

[cheesecake]

9 minutes ago, Lumikki said:

I love your entire post, but I especially agree with this part. Yes, Slash definitely is way better at hiding his Axl obsession. It probably has to do with him wanting to look cool (or whatever it was that Marc Canter said), while Axl has always been straight-in-your face, no hiding his emotions at all, no matter if it's "cool" or not. But yeah, I like your interpretation of why Slash chose to write that soul mates bit And yes, yes, you're right, something happened. I believe in that too

 

@killuridols Cutting up all the parts I want to quote is too hard on my phone, so I'm just gonna write my thoughts randomly

Re: Oklahoma and Erin. Around the year 2000 Axl was still very similar to 80/90s Axl. He was still constantly being late for concerts then, cancelling concerts, cancelling entire tours and being a brat in general (I remember there used to be some crazy stories around from those days about Axl's asshole behavior). He only really seemed to gradually change from 2006 onwards. So I'm not surprised that he was still upset around that time and only later let go of it (at least it mostly seems like he moved on now). And yes, the thought that this is why Oklahoma was not included on CD crossed my mind as well, but then again a lot of songs weren't included on CD, so who knows.

I disagree about his treatment of Beta, Vanessa, etc. not being an indicator for him having changed. In most cases I would tend to agree with you, but Axl doesn't just have a history of domestic violence against women he's in romantic relationships with, he has a history of being violent against women in general. It's not just Erin or Steph he beat. There are many other examples of him being violent with women- the female neighbor he attacked, the woman in Lafayette he beat with his cast, the girl he pushed down the stairs for refusing to have sex with him, etc. Quite frankly, he was a violent, misogynist douchebag and no woman was safe from him if she somehow "offended" him in some way.

I agree that some of the women around Axl are pretty dependent on him, but people like Beta, Vanessa or Kat are secure and well-off enough that they could leave and do something else if they really wanted to (Sasha might be a different story, but she's probably just gonna marry a rich old guy or something soon). I don't get the impression that they want to leave at all though.

All things considered, I'm willing to buy he has changed at least somewhat, because the few incidents we have seen where he lost control of his temper again are all pretty minor when compared to the shit he did in the 80s/90s. And it's been what? 4 or 5 minor incidents that we know of over the span of 15 years? That's nothing for someone who used to really struggle with rage and violence problems. And with the exception of Madison, all the recent victims of these incidents were men.

By the way, you forgot my favorite recent-ish (okay 10 years ago...) Axl losing his temper moment It's when he got into a fight with a Swedish security guy and fucking bit the guy's leg. That's just so crazy, it's already hilarious again. A grown man biting another man's leg like some kind of yappy little dog. Only Axl

Also, the language he used with Madison was obviously pretty damning and made me question how far he's really come, and so does all the Andrei bullshit and some other small details... And you asked if he truly respects women or just stopped beating them. Well, I have a lot of thoughts on that and none of them are very much in Axl's favor, but I'm not sure the GnR forum is ready for some hardcore feminist discussion I guess in Axl's case, considering his history, I'm mostly just glad he seems to have reached basic human decency levels when it comes to his treatment of women. I'm not holding out too much hope for anything more than that, tbh. Too many things I see speaking against that.

As for that weird chickipedia site, I think that stuff was just written by someone who hates her. Obsessed Axl fan or something. (And the enema jokes are never gonna go away again now, are they? I just saw the another one by @MillionsOfSpiders in the Social Media thread )

 

Lol true. But maybe because while they may never have been described as soul mates, Slash and Axl's relationship always was the most talked about relationship and the focus of the media. No one apart from hardcore fans really cared or cares about Slash's relationship with Izzy for example. Maybe that's why he didn't feel comfortable putting too much damning material into the book when it came to his and Axl's relationship. Like you said, he also never mentioned having threesomes with Axl in his book, and we know for a fact that this kind of thing happened. And more than once too There's the incident documented in the pictures, there's the other threesome they had that Adriana recently talked about, there's Axl himself talking about being around all the time when Slash fucked girls... So maybe he was afraid someone would make him having threesomes with Axl into some kind of media story, while he was pretty sure no one would really care about Izzy coming on his leg (except us insane people here lol).

And it's alright, Izzy has no problem at all bitching about Axl, he's done that a lot And Duff is too nice to bitch much lol.

To sum it up Lumikki, I guess he is now more IN CONTROL of his emotions compared to his past life. The most recent classic example would be your own experience meeting him after the AC/DC concert, where you witnessed him at the verge of erupting rage but somehow he managed to subdue it in time. So I guess it is a demon he's fighting constantly and seems to be winning more and more these days. 

[Andy14]

Axl and Slash relationship....I would use a quote from Love Actually: 

"It's a terrible, terrible mistake, ....., but you turn out to be the fucking love of my life. And to be honest, despite all my complaining, we have had a wonderful life."

[MillionsOfSpiders]

@Lumikki I agree with you, the women that are around Axl at the moment all seem to want to be there, Vanessa and Beta are well up there in his pecking order of minions aren't they? Lol. The 2006 security guard thing was caused cos he fell out with Beta and he stomped off into the hotel lobby and smashed a vase haha. She doesn't seem afraid to stand up to him, like in Dublin 2010, when Axl tried to run off she yelled at him and made him go back onstage, he was in total rage mode then (I know cos I went :D) but she dared to confront him.

Also, only a little thing but the airport incident, Sasha didn't seem at all concerned about trying to stop Axl from going after that guy or touching him and holding onto him straight after, if she was truly scared of him when he reached meltdown she wouldn't have acted that way. 

Kat does not rely on Axl at all for her living, she photographs a lot of other major bands too. Yet she is happy to hang around him, professionally and privately too, for a long time now. Also Melissa too, she's known Axl since before she was in the band surely as she's brains Mrs, she seems to love him.

Lastly, I do not think Duff, being the father of two girls and having his wife around all the time, would tolerate it any more from him.... And don't think he wouldn't know, he would be bound to know. 

Also I really don't think over a 23 year time period he would be able to keep these stories from the press, no matter how powerful or rich the guy is, domestic violence is harder to hide than other things, as the guy is totally losing  control, look at Mel Gibson for an example.. He's much more globally known than Axl, and the list is very long with male celebs who have accusations against them. 

Anyway that's the last I'm commenting on this, like the guy earlier in this thread said "we are weird" haha. I'm going to go and look at other, more positive topics now to cheer me back up  

[cheesecake]

52 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

@Lumikki I agree with you, the women that are around Axl at the moment all seem to want to be there, Vanessa and Beta are well up there in his pecking order of minions aren't they? Lol. The 2006 security guard thing was caused cos he fell out with Beta and he stomped off into the hotel lobby and smashed a vase haha. She doesn't seem afraid to stand up to him, like in Dublin 2010, when Axl tried to run off she yelled at him and made him go back onstage, he was in total rage mode then (I know cos I went :D) but she dared to confront him.

Also, only a little thing but the airport incident, Sasha didn't seem at all concerned about trying to stop Axl from going after that guy or touching him and holding onto him straight after, if she was truly scared of him when he reached meltdown she wouldn't have acted that way. 

Kat does not rely on Axl at all for her living, she photographs a lot of other major bands too. Yet she is happy to hang around him, professionally and privately too, for a long time now. Also Melissa too, she's known Axl since before she was in the band surely as she's brains Mrs, she seems to love him.

Lastly, I do not think Duff, being the father of two girls and having his wife around all the time, would tolerate it any more from him.... And don't think he wouldn't know, he would be bound to know. 

Also I really don't think over a 23 year time period he would be able to keep these stories from the press, no matter how powerful or rich the guy is, domestic violence is harder to hide than other things, as the guy is totally losing  control, look at Mel Gibson for an example.. He's much more globally known than Axl, and the list is very long with male celebs who have accusations against them. 

Anyway that's the last I'm commenting on this, like the guy earlier in this thread said "we are weird" haha. I'm going to go and look at other, more positive topics now to cheer me back up  

Which airport incident that Sasha was there with Axl? I don't really follow all of Axl's meltdown incidents I have to admit. The only airport one I know of is the one where he attacked a photographer for thinking that the guy insulted 'his mom' Beta

I guess Beta's status as his mother figure  makes her position sort of invincible (for lack of better word LOL) and secure that she can get away telling him off in areas where others can't?

Edited July 11, 2016 by cheesecake

[giuls]

51 minutes ago, Lumikki said:

 

By the way, you forgot my favorite recent-ish (okay 10 years ago...) Axl losing his temper moment It's when he got into a fight with a Swedish security guy and fucking bit the guy's leg. That's just so crazy, it's already hilarious again. A grown man biting another man's leg like some kind of yappy little dog. Only Axl

 

Lol true. But maybe because while they may never have been described as soul mates, Slash and Axl's relationship always was the most talked about relationship and the focus of the media. No one apart from hardcore fans really cared or cares about Slash's relationship with Izzy for example. Maybe that's why he didn't feel comfortable putting too much damning material into the book when it came to his and Axl's relationship. Like you said, he also never mentioned having threesomes with Axl in his book, and we know for a fact that this kind of thing happened. And more than once too There's the incident documented in the pictures, there's the other threesome they had that Adriana recently talked about, there's Axl himself talking about being around all the time when Slash fucked girls... So maybe he was afraid someone would make stuff like him having threesomes with Axl or Axl moving in with him into some kind of story, while he was pretty sure no one would really care about Izzy coming on his leg (except us insane people here lol).

And it's alright, Izzy has no problem at all bitching about Axl, he's done that a lot And Duff is too nice to bitch much lol.

He bit a leg?! What the fuck, Axl 

 

Maybe you're right, but i agree something happened, it's all so fishy  (yeah, i'm super weird, i know, i don't care, i have fun gossiping  )

 

56 minutes ago, Juliette said:

 I´m newbie in the forum hahahhahha.

If she is Axl`s girlfriend , what surprise me is that he never talks about her in twitter, por example 

IIRC, in a topic about a concert (the troubadour one, maybe?) one forum's user talked to Beta after in the backstage and asked her if Axl has a girlfriend and she replied with "well... he has Sasha" so no, i don't think he considers her a girlfriend 

[Juliette]

54 minutes ago, Frey said:

If you read through this thread (Sasha has been discussed quite a few times), you'll see that most people here don't like her and just think she's Axl's escort/fuck buddy/etc. No one here thinks she really is his girlfriend. At least not in the traditional sense of the word. So I guess you'll enjoy this thread 

Thank you, Frey!!! I really enjoy this site  . Hahaha  "axl´s escort" .

34 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

@Lumikki I agree with you, the women that are around Axl at the moment all seem to want to be there, Vanessa and Beta are well up there in his pecking order of minions aren't they? Lol. The 2006 security guard thing was caused cos he fell out with Beta and he stomped off into the hotel lobby and smashed a vase haha. She doesn't seem afraid to stand up to him, like in Dublin 2010, when Axl tried to run off she yelled at him and made him go back onstage, he was in total rage mode then (I know cos I went :D) but she dared to confront him.

Also, only a little thing but the airport incident, Sasha didn't seem at all concerned about trying to stop Axl from going after that guy or touching him and holding onto him straight after, if she was truly scared of him when he reached meltdown she wouldn't have acted that way. 

Kat does not rely on Axl at all for her living, she photographs a lot of other major bands too. Yet she is happy to hang around him, professionally and privately too, for a long time now. Also Melissa too, she's known Axl since before she was in the band surely as she's brains Mrs, she seems to love him.

Lastly, I do not think Duff, being the father of two girls and having his wife around all the time, would tolerate it any more from him.... And don't think he wouldn't know, he would be bound to know. 

Also I really don't think over a 23 year time period he would be able to keep these stories from the press, no matter how powerful or rich the guy is, domestic violence is harder to hide than other things, as the guy is totally losing  control, look at Mel Gibson for an example.. He's much more globally known than Axl, and the list is very long with male celebs who have accusations against them. 

Anyway that's the last I'm commenting on this, like the guy earlier in this thread said "we are weird" haha. I'm going to go and look at other, more positive topics now to cheer me back up  

Currently, I think Axl is way more mature than his youngers years (I see him as a gentleman with the women). I can understand his anger and bad temper, may be no justify at all the past issues with women (like beaten and other things) but he had a mother who didn´t love him and a stepfather that abused him since a baby,  terrible things.

23 minutes ago, giuls said:

He bit a leg?! What the fuck, Axl 

 

Maybe you're right, but i agree something happened, it's all so fishy  (yeah, i'm super weird, i know, i don't care, i have fun gossiping  )

 

IIRC, in a topic about a concert (the troubadour one, maybe?) one forum's user talked to Beta after in the backstage and asked her if Axl has a girlfriend and she replied with "well... he has Sasha" so no, i don't think he considers her a girlfriend 

Thanks for the info. Well if Beta mentioned her, it´s something alike of a relationshipdon´t you think?