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47 minutes ago, Lumikki said:

@killuridols Cutting up all the parts I want to quote is too hard on my phone, so I'm just gonna write my thoughts randomly :P

I disagree about his treatment of Beta, Vanessa, etc. not being an indicator for him having changed. In most cases I would tend to agree with you, but Axl doesn't just have a history of domestic violence against women he's in romantic relationships with, he has a history of being violent against women in general. It's not just Erin or Steph he beat. There are many other examples of him being violent with women- the female neighbor he attacked, the woman in Lafayette he beat with his cast, the girl he pushed down the stairs for refusing to have sex with him, etc. Quite frankly, he was a violent, misogynist douchebag and no woman was safe from him if she somehow "offended" him in some way.

I agree that some of the women around Axl are pretty dependent on him, but people like Beta, Vanessa or Kat are secure and well-off enough that they could leave and do something else if they really wanted to (Sasha might be a different story, but she's probably just gonna marry a rich old guy or something soon). I don't get the impression that they want to leave at all though.

All things considered, I'm willing to buy he has changed at least somewhat, because the few incidents we have seen where he lost control of his temper again are all pretty minor when compared to the shit he did in the 80s/90s. And it's been what? 4 or 5 minor incidents that we know of over the span of 15 years? That's nothing for someone who used to really struggle with rage and violence problems. And with the exception of Madison, all the recent victims of these incidents were men.

By the way, you forgot my favorite recent-ish (okay 10 years ago...) Axl losing his temper moment :D It's when he got into a fight with a Swedish security guy and fucking bit the guy's leg. That's just so crazy, it's already hilarious again. A grown man biting another man's leg like some kind of yappy little dog. Only Axl :facepalm:

Also, the language he used with Madison was obviously pretty damning and made me question how far he's really come, and so does all the Andrei bullshit and some other small details... And you asked if he truly respects women or just stopped beating them. Well, I have a lot of thoughts on that and none of them are very much in Axl's favor, but I'm not sure the GnR forum is ready for some hardcore feminist discussion :rofl-lol: I guess in Axl's case, considering his history, I'm mostly just glad he seems to have reached basic human decency levels when it comes to his treatment of women. I'm not holding out too much hope for anything more than that, tbh. Too many things I see speaking against that.

As for that weird chickipedia site, I think that stuff was just written by someone who hates her. Obsessed Axl fan or something. (And the enema jokes are never gonna go away again now, are they? :lol: I just saw the another one by @MillionsOfSpiders in the Social Media thread :rofl-lol:)

Lol true. But maybe because while they may never have been described as soul mates, Slash and Axl's relationship always was the most talked about relationship and the focus of the media. No one apart from hardcore fans really cared or cares about Slash's relationship with Izzy for example. Maybe that's why he didn't feel comfortable putting too much damning material into the book when it came to his and Axl's relationship. Like you said, he also never mentioned having threesomes with Axl in his book, and we know for a fact that this kind of thing happened. And more than once too :lol: There's the incident documented in the pictures, there's the other threesome they had that Adriana recently talked about, there's Axl himself talking about being around all the time when Slash fucked girls... So maybe he was afraid someone would make stuff like him having threesomes with Axl or Axl moving in with him into some kind of story, while he was pretty sure no one would really care about Izzy coming on his leg (except us insane people here lol).

And it's alright, Izzy has no problem at all bitching about Axl, he's done that a lot :P And Duff is too nice to bitch much lol.

I'm not sure what came out of what I said but I don't want to sound like I don't believe in Axl changing some of his previous violent behavior. I think he has changed a lot, just that I'm not sure if I can say he's made a 180º change, you know? Also, not hearing about it in the media is not an indicator for me of what stories might be known or not, for several reasons of me knowing how media works. Do you remember how recently that Penthouse Pet came out talking about him forcing her to have wild sex in the 80's? Why did that come out now and not before? Part of it because she's selling a book where she talks about that and part of it because the timing is perfect: Axl Rose is back in the spotlight, while for the last 15 years no one seemed to care whether he lived or died.

There's also Adriana recently recalling stories from the past. She didn't talk about violence but it sounds odd she decided to share one more piece of information on that old story of her banging everybody in the band, now adding poor Erin to the salad, lol. Why was that story brought up now and not last year? Because of the GN'R reunion, definitely.

No, I didn't forget about that security guy getting bitten by Axl in the leg :facepalm:. It's just that I'm not sure how that whole story went down and how Axl ended up down there, lol but yeah, I know he's not only violent with women and not only with the ones he got romantically involved, but those seem to be the only ones who dared to go against him in court. The neighboor thing happened when he was barely famous so I guess she wasn't afraid of him and his power.

About Beta, Vanessa and Kat being dependant on him, let's see:

- Kat was just a model who wanted to switch careers, probably bored of the modeling, so it was basically Axl who "discovered" her by hiring her to photograh GN'R. This is straight from her website biography:

"And it'd be through the lens that she'd grab the attention of none other than the iconic Guns n' Roses front-man, Axl Rose. Axl was so moved by the photos that Kat took of the band at a show in Vienna, that he immediately hired her as the bands exclusive photographer. She continues to tour with Gn'R as their tour photographer." http://www.katarinabenzova.com/kat.html

She owes him pretty much everything good that came after for her career because let's be honest, what beginner photographer can go from Guns N' Roses to Aerosmith to Lenny Kravitz to AC/DC in a matter of 5-6 years? It is obvious Axl's influences helped her get all those other gigs. For sure, now she's built a name of herself and she could leave Axl anytime she wanted, I guess. Still, the fact that she owes all of this to Axl it does put her in some sort of "dependent" place.

Anyway, I don't think Axl could ever get violent with her. He has no reasons for that.

- Beta and Vanessa: these two really depend on Axl financially but Axl depends on them emotionally and for his daily life routine to function in a normal way, so it makes it harder for him to cross the line with them. I really doubt they could do something else other than serving Axl. Beta is an old woman, what job is she gonna get? Well, maybe the same she does with Axl but I don't know if she wants that. Vanessa seems like she's never worked outside the GN'R organization. She may be able to get another job but where? Also, its just not about getting another job, it is about giving up all the luxuries that come with being on Axl's pay roll. Not many people are willing to give up on that so easily, unless they become as powerful and wealthy as the person they are trying to leave. Doesn't seem to be the case of these two women.

However, Beta has been smart all the way. Axl has the money and the power, as the man he is, but Beta seems to hold a bigger power over him: she emotionally controls him and we know one of Axl's weaknesses is his tortured soul. This is how Beta gained more power when she threatened to leave him if he didn't make her GN'R manager. That's how Beta has survived to crazy Axl all this time. And maybe this is the reason why Axl has not found a wife yet. If he was to marry a woman with same character of Beta, there would be such a power struggle where Beta would lose her status. It is my impression Beta is not willing to give up neither on her power over Axl or the money that comes with it. Looks like her own family comes first and she will do anything necessary to give them the best life she can afford for them. Her history shows how hard she worked to be able to move all of her children from Brazil to the USA and she got it.

40 minutes ago, Frey said:

If you read through this thread (Sasha has been discussed quite a few times), you'll see that most people here don't like her and just think she's Axl's escort/fuck buddy/etc. No one here thinks she really is his girlfriend. At least not in the traditional sense of the word. So I guess you'll enjoy this thread ;)

lol no Sasha lovers and supporters here so far.

(no one will be allower either)

 

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j/k

35 minutes ago, cheesecake said:

To sum it up Lumikki, I guess he is now more IN CONTROL of his emotions compared to his past life. The most recent classic example would be your own experience meeting him after the AC/DC concert, where you witnessed him at the verge of erupting rage but somehow he managed to subdue it in time. So I guess it is a demon he's fighting constantly and seems to be winning more and more these days. :shrugs:

Yeah, I think that's the way to sum it up and it sounds very good. This must be like a drug addiction, you know? You really have to make an effort to control your emotions. I know how that is. I also struggle with anger issues and at moments it's very hard to keep yourself together because that little bug is always trying to come out but I also think that when you get older certain things do not set you off anymore.

You mention the episode of fans and Lumikki being there and I just remembered the China Exchange thing. Also handled himself very well with that Sir David Lame who was very annoying, rude and seemed to have a bad temper as well. At some point, you see Axl's face wanting to transform into a nasty devil :lol: but then he rolls his eyes and laughs, which makes you go like "ugh, that was close!". I was proud of him when I saw he never lost his composure and actually took most of it with great humor :heart:

6 minutes ago, cheesecake said:

Which airport incident that Sasha was there with Axl? I don't really follow all of Axl's meltdown incidents I have to admit. The only airport one I know of is the one where he attacked a photographer for thinking that the guy insulted 'his mom' Beta:lol:

I guess Beta's status as his mother figure :rolleyes: makes her sort of invincible (for lack of better word LOL) and secure that she can get away telling him off in areas where others can't?

Yes, it is that same one incident.

Yup, I said that above. Beta, very intelligent, found a way to outweight Axl's power as a rich and famous man. She holds a greater power now but don't abuse it because things could turn around in the blink of an eye.

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3 hours ago, killuridols said:

wooooh that's a very good picture :wow: for my collection of :jerkoff:

Thank you!! and welcome to the JUNGLE of crazy GN'R female fans :dance:

Crazy female fans and @Frey :smiley-confused2:

Kudos to him for being able to keep up with us and this crazy thread :heart:

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I just came across this quote from Slash. This may be something interesting for @Lumikki and the others that were discussing the love/hate relationship between Axl and Slash.

He said this in May, 2015 (so according to our sources, he was already talking to Axl again) to magazine Team Rock:

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“My relationship with Axl was always testy but interesting. The thing with Axl is that he’s creatively explosive. The problem, though, is that means his personal life has its difficulties. What you hear in his voice, and what you read in his lyrics, is honest to the fucking bone. As extreme as that is, that’s also how his life is. I’m different: when I’m playing, I’m pretty hardcore; when I’m not playing, I’m pretty laid back. I express myself with the guitar and that’s the only time I really have anything to say. But Axl is Axl 100% of the time. He’s always that extreme. But we managed to make things happen. Izzy was very important because he and Axl had a long history. Basically, it worked like this: I was close to Izzy and Izzy was close to Axl, therefore I could deal with Axl through Izzy.”

Also, while reading the Rolling Stone article, Lumikki pointed me to when I asked about the song Oklahoma, I found other things that are so very interesting to analyze in which place Axl was in the year 2000, specifically about Slash and Izzy. Here are some excerpts that called my attention:

Slash's name pops up repeatedly, invoked in a way that suggests a shellshocked husband speaking of an ex-wife after a particularly horrific divorce. "It is a divorce," Rose says with a sad stare. In retrospect, Rose sees the band's massive success as part of its undoing. "The poverty is what kept us together," he says. "That was how we became Guns n' Roses. Once that changed ..." He turns momentarily quiet. "Guns n' Roses was like the old Stones or whatever," he says. "Not necessarily the friendliest bunch of guys."

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He casually mentions that a while back his security camera caught an unannounced visit by Izzy Stradlin to his front gate, but he quickly adds that he had no interest in getting together with the old school buddy and former collaborator, whom he originally followed to Los Angeles from Indiana. "It wouldn't be healthy for me," Rose explains.

"Izzy went back to Indiana," Rose continues, shaking his head in disbelief. "That pretty much explains the absurdity of the whole goddamn thing. The fucking idea of going back to Indiana – I am not even bagging on Indiana, I just know how much Izzy hated it. I went to high school with this guy. It's pitiful. It was the fame and the heroin addiction and the fear of death. When Izzy woke up in New York with EKG pads all over his body and doesn't know how they got there, and knows, 'I think I OD'd last night and made it back home' – that was pretty much it. Before that he was pulling away, but that was the end. Then when he got straight ... I think it really has to do with what it takes to face that big of an audience. I wouldn't call it stage fright. It's something else, and to psyche yourself up for that, the old Guns doesn't seem to be able to do it without medication."

[...]

Even when it came to picking tracks for the recent Live Era '87-'93 retrospective, Rose and Slash – whom Rose describes as "negatively seductive" – communicated their song selections only through intermediaries. "I never said that I was bitter," Rose explains, characteristically concerned with making fine distinctions. "Hurt, yeah. Disappointed. I mean, with Slash, I remember crying about all kinds of things in my life, but I had never felt hot, burning tears … hot, burning tears of anger. Basically, to me, it was because I am watching this guy and I don't understand it. Playing with everyone from Space Ghost to Michael Jackson. I don't get it. I wanted the world to love and respect him. I just watched him throw it away."

That last part sounded like the lyrics to "Street Of Dreams, by the way :P

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/axl-speaks-20000203

 

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49 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

Crazy female fans and @Frey :smiley-confused2:

Kudos to him for being able to keep up with us and this crazy thread :heart:

That guy Frey, he's smart too. Like a Beta kind of person :rofl-lol:

He's been hit with a rock at times (mostly by me, I guess :P) but he kept coming back and finding his way to survive in this jungle of wild progesterone :thumbsup:

That guy, he knows... ;)

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1 hour ago, Andy14 said:

Crazy female fans and @Frey :smiley-confused2:

Kudos to him for being able to keep up with us and this crazy thread :heart:

9 minutes ago, killuridols said:

That guy Frey, he's smart too. Like a Beta kind of person :rofl-lol:

He's been hit with a rock at times (mostly by me, I guess :P) but he kept coming back and finding his way to survive in this jungle of wild progesterone :thumbsup:

That guy, he knows... ;)

Lol thanks, girls (I guess. Not sure if I really want to be like Beta :rofl-lol:)

I just got a lot of time on my hands at the moment, but that will probably change soon. In the meantime though, this is the most active and entertaining thread on here, so why not participate. (And I'm not quite alone here. Guys like @Slash787 and @-W.A.R- post here as well sometimes. And many more are lurking, but too terrified of you all to join in ;))

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7 minutes ago, Frey said:

Lol thanks, girls (I guess. Not sure if I really want to be like Beta :rofl-lol:)

I just got a lot of time on my hands at the moment, but that will probably change soon. In the meantime though, this is the most active and entertaining thread on here, so why not participate. (And I'm not quite alone here. Guys like @Slash787 and @-W.A.R- post here as well sometimes. And many more are lurking, but too terrified of you all to join in ;))

Yes, haha, those other two ocassionally post too but they are exceptions. We don't allow guys here :ph34r: and the ones terrified, they better stay terrified because this is our haven of madness. The club of girls is really hard to get in but some will go through :ph34r:

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@killuridols wonderful post and awesome finds. :heart: See guys, Axl and Slash are in love. :lol:

Joking aside though, that quote from Slash says a lot about Axl. I think he's always been an unnaturally gifted and creative person and as such has had a deep desire to express himself, but as is the case with most artists, he just had to have the shittiest life possible which forced him into becoming a man that he never wanted to be. He never knew any form of self expression other than what he had seen, and he sure hadn't seen sunshine and rainbows. His lyrics were dark and violent, perfectly describing his inner workings, his music was difficult to understand (but that's because it was ahead of its time, let's face it), he didn't know if he was the victim or the killer and he was struggling with the world's perception of him as opposed to who he was and wanted to be. Someone mentioned a few pages back that he really tried to find out what's wrong with him and did all that therapy and admitted he was a misogynist in a lot of interviews from the 90s. Not many people are willing to go that far in their honesty.

And that's the thing - Axl values honesty and truth above all (and expects it from others), no matter how twisted it may be, because you can't fix lies - you can only fix something if you are sure it's there. Yes, he was violent and he didn't hide it, because that was the only way he knew to get even with someone. When he started changing for the better, he went public again - he wanted to show the truth to everyone. He might not have had all the answers, but he was always open about his journey and his way of seeing things (dammit, where's that book?) Anger is a whole different thing, though. In the words of the great Zack De La Rocha, "Anger is a gift." Getting angry is a natural reaction when you're presented with either a truth you didn't believe in, or lies that you know are false. Imo not speaking back to someone who goes out of their way to try to bring you down or have control over your life is despicable. And God knows how many people have tried to do that to Axl. That's one of the things I've always respected about him - he's not afraid to speak his mind and strike back. Obviously getting furious at every single jab is idiotic and immature, but I think you guys get that that's not the kind of anger I'm talking about. 

Anyway, he's obviously mellowed down a lot and is acting gentlemanly to everyone (hell, he made up with Slash) but has kept that honesty and sense of justice that I admire about him. I am almost 100% sure he isn't violent towards the women in his life (unless they want him to be, lol) and rarely gets pissed off, especially for petty things.

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"Izzy went back to Indiana," Rose continues, shaking his head in disbelief. "That pretty much explains the absurdity of the whole goddamn thing. The fucking idea of going back to Indiana – I am not even bagging on Indiana, I just know how much Izzy hated it. I went to high school with this guy. It's pitiful. It was the fame and the heroin addiction and the fear of death. When Izzy woke up in New York with EKG pads all over his body and doesn't know how they got there, and knows, 'I think I OD'd last night and made it back home' – that was pretty much it. Before that he was pulling away, but that was the end. Then when he got straight ... I think it really has to do with what it takes to face that big of an audience. I wouldn't call it stage fright. It's something else, and to psyche yourself up for that, the old Guns doesn't seem to be able to do it without medication."

I'm seriously starting to believe Izzy might have some PTSD shit going on. I know he's been on stage with Axl & NuGuns a few times but this is different. This reunion/non-reunion tour is big and there's a lot of people paying attention which makes me think he'll never show his sorry ass this time. There goes my dream, I'm depressed now. Gonna eat some ice-cream.

 

 

 

 

P.S. Izzy if you're reading this, I dare you to prove me wrong.:headbang:

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37 minutes ago, nonok said:

@killuridols wonderful post and awesome finds. :heart: See guys, Axl and Slash are in love. :lol:

Joking aside though, that quote from Slash says a lot about Axl. I think he's always been an unnaturally gifted and creative person and as such has had a deep desire to express himself, but as is the case with most artists, he just had to have the shittiest life possible which forced him into becoming a man that he never wanted to be. He never knew any form of self expression other than what he had seen, and he sure hadn't seen sunshine and rainbows. His lyrics were dark and violent, perfectly describing his inner workings, his music was difficult to understand (but that's because it was ahead of its time, let's face it), he didn't know if he was the victim or the killer and he was struggling with the world's perception of him as opposed to who he was and wanted to be. Someone mentioned a few pages back that he really tried to find out what's wrong with him and did all that therapy and admitted he was a misogynist in a lot of interviews from the 90s. Not many people are willing to go that far in their honesty.

And that's the thing - Axl values honesty and truth above all (and expects it from others), no matter how twisted it may be, because you can't fix lies - you can only fix something if you are sure it's there. Yes, he was violent and he didn't hide it, because that was the only way he knew to get even with someone. When he started changing for the better, he went public again - he wanted to show the truth to everyone. He might not have had all the answers, but he was always open about his journey and his way of seeing things (dammit, where's that book?) Anger is a whole different thing, though. In the words of the great Zack De La Rocha, "Anger is a gift." Getting angry is a natural reaction when you're presented with either a truth you didn't believe in, or lies that you know are false. Imo not speaking back to someone who goes out of their way to try to bring you down or have control over your life is despicable. And God knows how many people have tried to do that to Axl. That's one of the things I've always respected about him - he's not afraid to speak his mind and strike back. Obviously getting furious at every single jab is idiotic and immature, but I think you guys get that that's not the kind of anger I'm talking about. 

Anyway, he's obviously mellowed down a lot and is acting gentlemanly to everyone (hell, he made up with Slash) but has kept that honesty and sense of justice that I admire about him. I am almost 100% sure he isn't violent towards the women in his life (unless they want him to be, lol) and rarely gets pissed off, especially for petty things.

thank you! I thought it would help understand some things we've been talking here

I'm one who will never put her hands on fire for anyone and I won't do it for Axl either. I guess I wouldn't do it for myself, lol, so in the regards of violence and mysoginy I'm more in a place like @Lumikki stated before: willing to believe he's over that dark stage of his life and thankful for him having apparently reached a decent level of self-control where he seems to not be hurting himself and others, but at the same time, still suspicious of certain things from the present time that make some noise.

Another good thing for him to do, in order to calm himself a bit more (and become healthier), would be to stop drinking alcohol and eating red meat. That'd be rad.

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8 hours ago, killuridols said:

 

I'd like to think he has changed and I hope he has changed in that aspect. But then again, certain things make me kind of doubt it,

or not really doubt it, but it still makes some noise in my head. For example, when he came to this forum to insult Madison and the level of violence of his words made me really sad. Sometimes I can't get over those words. He also said "lesbian cunt", which is directly related to gender.

Seeing him get violent at the airport was also another moment that made me doubt about him changing regarding that topic. It seems like he still has some rage inside. I'm not sure if men ever overcome those kind of demons and if a man ever stops getting violent. It seems like a disease, like a drug addiction when you recover but then fall again.

You know, I don't think we're ever going to see Axl leading a chapter of NOW (which is a huge feminist organization here). When I say he's changed for the better, I don't think that it implies he's perfect. If he does have a mental or emotional issue, those things can be treated, not necessarily cured. He still has rage and he still does things I don't like - some of the shirts he wears are pretty objectifying to women, for instance.

The fact that we haven't heard of any accussations in the last decade or so I'm not sure if it is an indication of anything good or bad.

Hopefully, nothing bad happened with other women again. But there are tons of stories that don't make it to the media for several reasons, and the domestic violence stories are a very delicate subject not sure all media outlets want to deal with, specially if its about celebrities.

First of all, many women, out of fear, will never denounce their partners. Now, if that partner is a powerful man, forget it. Going against someone like Axl (or any other celebrity) is something not many women can do.

I do agree with this. Rape and domestic violence survivors are put through the wringer by both the legal system and public opinion, even if they're not famous. Those who have accused celebrities have really been treated horribly. On the other hand...with the Internet and the wealth of public information out there, I do think that these things have a way of coming to light now. Like Ray Rice and the elevator- nobody needed to say anything; the security footage was there. Michael Jackson was finally revealed to be just as creepy as many believed because of all the reports of the things found in his house. There were others who actually broke into Neverland Ranch and took photos and put them online. Marion Zimmer Bradley's kids came out about the horrific abuse they suffered. It's a lot harder to sweep under the carpet these days and I think it does eventually come to light.

Another thing you girls have it wrong is when you say that since it seems he's good to Beta, Vanessa, Kat, etc. it means he's doing fine now. Well, domestic violence is not about a man beating up every single woman in his life. It usually happens in the inner workings of a romantic relationship and mostly when the couple live together. The violence also usually occurs behind closed doors, not out in the open where other people could intervene and break the circle of violence. Of course, there are extreme cases when the guy will not give a damn and will beat up the woman in front of their children or even other relatives.

I don't think it means he's doing totally fine or isn't capable of being an abuser anymore. An abuser doesn't go after every single person in their lives. There are so many people who have been found guilty of DV or child abuse, and it turns out they're people who were beloved in their communities - they were priests or Little League coaches or that nice neighbour across the street. Only their victims saw the monster; everyone else saw their pleasant public face.

But what I meant when I mentioned that I think that Beta, Vanessa and his sister are all a good litmus test of how he's doing is because, as @Lumikki mentioned, his issues with women seemed to be about his overall attitude toward that gender. He seems to have more trust and a better rapport with women in non-romantic contexts now. I don't think that could have happened in the 1980s.

I will be honest, I would never consider getting romantically involved with someone who had a DV/violent history like Axl's, because at the end of the day you never really know, and most people don't change. But having said that it does seem like Axl's made concerted efforts to work on many of his emotional issues and demons, and that's more than most people in that situation do.

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@stella looks like your quotation of me became a mess so when I try to quote you it becomes empty but to sum it up, I think I can agree with most of what you said and it more or less falls into the same points I was trying to make before. I know I may sound a bit more skeptical than other people but I don't like to come out like that. I want to believe in Axl, I hope no reports of violence come out in 10-20 years from here (like with MJ, it came out but look at how long it took) and I really wish and pray that he finds some peace of mind, soul and body too, haha, so that he stays sane and clean and cool, even if he has to struggle or battle his demons daily.

We all have our personal battles to fight every day. It is hard and at times you feel like giving up but you just gotta keep pushing to the surface.

I also wish Axl that he finds the love of a woman he is truly proud of and someone who can love him for whom he is, not because of fame and money. I know it becomes harder as years go by and I know there is someone out there who loves him for real and always have :wub: but only time and fate will decide if they cross their paths one more time :heart:

I guess I don't have much more to say on this topic (unless someone wants to reply to my previous posts or ask anything). I feel relieved we can discuss this here with respect and total honesty.

All of you ladies are very smart and educated and cool to talk to. I love this thread, the best thread ever in the history of the Internet! :headbang:

 

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30 minutes ago, killuridols said:

I also wish Axl that he finds the love of a woman he is truly proud of and someone who can love him for whom he is, not because of fame and money. I know it becomes harder as years go by and I know there is someone out there who loves him for real and always have :wub: but only time and fate will decide if they cross their paths one more time :heart:

Urrrmmm is this the game where we're supposed to GUESS CORRECTLY who this woman is? :P (*wink*)  (*wink*)

I guess we have to wait for when GN'R tours outside America to find out LOL. :lol:

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17 minutes ago, cheesecake said:

Urrrmmm is this the game where we're supposed to GUESS CORRECTLY who this woman is? :P (*wink*)  (*wink*)

I guess we have to wait for when GN'R tours outside America to find out LOL. :lol:

ha ha no game no no :P

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11 hours ago, Juliette said:

Thanks for the info. Well if Beta mentioned her, it´s something alike of a relationship:blink:don´t you think? :P

 

Nah, she's most likely a fuckbuddy, if they had a relationship-relationship she wouldn't say "well..."

11 hours ago, killuridols said:

I just came across this quote from Slash. This may be something interesting for @Lumikki and the others that were discussing the love/hate relationship between Axl and Slash.

He said this in May, 2015 (so according to our sources, he was already talking to Axl again) to magazine Team Rock:

Also, while reading the Rolling Stone article, Lumikki pointed me to when I asked about the song Oklahoma, I found other things that are so very interesting to analyze in which place Axl was in the year 2000, specifically about Slash and Izzy. Here are some excerpts that called my attention:

Slash's name pops up repeatedly, invoked in a way that suggests a shellshocked husband speaking of an ex-wife after a particularly horrific divorce. "It is a divorce," Rose says with a sad stare. In retrospect, Rose sees the band's massive success as part of its undoing. "The poverty is what kept us together," he says. "That was how we became Guns n' Roses. Once that changed ..." He turns momentarily quiet. "Guns n' Roses was like the old Stones or whatever," he says. "Not necessarily the friendliest bunch of guys."

[...]

He casually mentions that a while back his security camera caught an unannounced visit by Izzy Stradlin to his front gate, but he quickly adds that he had no interest in getting together with the old school buddy and former collaborator, whom he originally followed to Los Angeles from Indiana. "It wouldn't be healthy for me," Rose explains.

"Izzy went back to Indiana," Rose continues, shaking his head in disbelief. "That pretty much explains the absurdity of the whole goddamn thing. The fucking idea of going back to Indiana – I am not even bagging on Indiana, I just know how much Izzy hated it. I went to high school with this guy. It's pitiful. It was the fame and the heroin addiction and the fear of death. When Izzy woke up in New York with EKG pads all over his body and doesn't know how they got there, and knows, 'I think I OD'd last night and made it back home' – that was pretty much it. Before that he was pulling away, but that was the end. Then when he got straight ... I think it really has to do with what it takes to face that big of an audience. I wouldn't call it stage fright. It's something else, and to psyche yourself up for that, the old Guns doesn't seem to be able to do it without medication."

[...]

Even when it came to picking tracks for the recent Live Era '87-'93 retrospective, Rose and Slash – whom Rose describes as "negatively seductive" – communicated their song selections only through intermediaries. "I never said that I was bitter," Rose explains, characteristically concerned with making fine distinctions. "Hurt, yeah. Disappointed. I mean, with Slash, I remember crying about all kinds of things in my life, but I had never felt hot, burning tears … hot, burning tears of anger. Basically, to me, it was because I am watching this guy and I don't understand it. Playing with everyone from Space Ghost to Michael Jackson. I don't get it. I wanted the world to love and respect him. I just watched him throw it away."

That last part sounded like the lyrics to "Street Of Dreams, by the way :P

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/axl-speaks-20000203

 

Interesting quotes, thank you! I always appreciated Axl's honesty.

Funny how he mentions the Stones, the marriage comparison (it made me squeal, no lie :lol:) remind me of Mick and Keith, Keith actually encouraged Slash NOT to quit in 1993 and he consoled him when Slash eventually quit.

Like @Jane M. now i'm worried Izzy wouldn't do the reunion because everything is bigger, Iz, go to a doctor for the anxiety, do it for us!

 

"Negatively seductive" what an... odd choice of words :P

AWWWW, Slash never made him cry in anger and it didn't wanted him to make a fool of himself, he was wrong but it's cute.

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15 hours ago, cheesecake said:

To sum it up Lumikki, I guess he is now more IN CONTROL of his emotions compared to his past life. The most recent classic example would be your own experience meeting him after the AC/DC concert, where you witnessed him at the verge of erupting rage but somehow he managed to subdue it in time. So I guess it is a demon he's fighting constantly and seems to be winning more and more these days. :shrugs:

Haha, you're right, I didn't even think of that! :P But yeah, I agree. I think he'll always have a temper, but he seems to become better and better at controlling it.

And yes, the China Exchange thing was a great example of that too. Like you guys I also felt sort of proud of him for handling the situation so well. But god, we all sound like Axl is a moody toddler who throws lots of temper tantrums and we're the proud kindergarten teachers praising him for improving his behavior :lol::facepalm:

15 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

 

I know you're done with this topic, but I just wanted to say that I agree with you and good point about Beta and co. not being afraid to stand up to him, even when he's in one of his moods. I hadn't thought of that, but that's definitely a good sign.

Dublin... was that the one where he was made to go back, but then spent the rest of the concert pouting (here we go again with the toddler behavior :P) and standing in one place, but sounded great? Or was that yet another one? :lol:

 

15 hours ago, Andy14 said:

Axl and Slash relationship....I would use a quote from Love Actually: 

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"It's a terrible, terrible mistake, ....., but you turn out to be the fucking love of my life. And to be honest, despite all my complaining, we have had a wonderful life."

:wub:

Are you trying to make me cry, @Andy14 ?!! :o Omg. But that picture is so wonderful. I only wish Axl hadn't ruined it and they'd gone for the full hug :max::P

 

14 hours ago, giuls said:

He bit a leg?! What the fuck, Axl :rofl-lol:

Maybe you're right, but i agree something happened, it's all so fishy :lol: (yeah, i'm super weird, i know, i don't care, i have fun gossiping :lol: )

Don't worry, according to that guy who keeps posting here just to tell us we're weird, you're in good company. We're all weird here and we have fun with it ;)

As for Axl biting that guy's leg, I just googled this and that incident was less fun than I remembered actually. Prime example of Axl being violent and crazy. @killuridols you might be interested in this too, because that article describes pretty well how that whole incident went down and also shows Axl being nasty to Beta as well as generally being crazy (cursing at her, banging the walls, smashing things,...:facepalm:) He was drunk, but still :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Also must have called Beta mom there as well or something, because the hotel security guy mentions the older woman being his "mom". And that was long before the "He hit my mother!" incident at the airport. Does he call Beta mom when talking to her directly? I was always under the impression he calls her Beta, but who knows.

 

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Pascal Håkansson (photo#1, photo#2), 25, who was working his fourth day as a security guard at the Berns hotel when he was allegedly assaulted by Rose, spoke exclusively to the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet about the Tuesday morning (June 27) altercation.

"Axl came alone to the hotel and went up to his room," Håkansson said. "He came back again in the company of some sort of coordinator — an older woman, who was his 'mom.'"

According to Pascal, what was about to happen turned out to be the most bizarre thing he's experienced in his five years as a security guard.

"Axl was pissed off because people had left him alone at some party," Pascal said. "He was loaded, in a bad mood and started cursing at the woman. When he started banging on the walls, I approached him and asked him to lower his voice."

When Axl ignored him, the security guard approached the assistant instead.

"Then Axl turned around and pushed me in my chest and neck," Håkansson said.

How hard?

"I totally lost balance. I wasn't prepared and I had to kneel for a moment in order to be able to remain standing. Then he jumped me and started fighting. I had to fend off a few punches, on my arms, for instance. Then I got hold of his neck and got him down on the ground. We wrestled for about a minute; he was strong."

And that's when he bit you?

"Yeah, but it wasn't until afterwards that I felt it. When you get such a rush of adrenaline, you don't feel anything. He could have had Hepatitis B or something. It was very uncomfortable. In general, it's disgusting to bite people."

When you were lying there on the ground, were you able to get both his arms in a lock?

"No, it wasn't possible. He was wild. He was totally wild. He was gonna kill me. 'I'm gonna fuck your life up,' he screamed."

At the same time as Axl Rose's bodyguard came down to the lobby, the reception called the police.

"Axl was stark-raving mad," Pascal continued. "The bodyguard tried to calm him down, but Axl threatened to fire him if he intervened. That's when he threw a vase into an antique mirror."

How did Axl look?

"He had a crazy, disturbing look."

Was he intoxicated?

"Yes, he was intoxicated, by alcohol or something."

At 7:45 a.m., four policemen with their batons drawn entered Berns hotel.

"He was still bouncing up and down screaming that he was gonna make my life a living hell," Pascal said.

What happened to you when the police detained Axl and drove away to the police station?

"I was upset. I sat down and talked to the staff at the reception. One of the girls was sad after what had happened. I wrote a report. Then the police called and wanted me to go to the hospital."

What did they check you out for at the hospital?

"If my skin had broken, but it hadn't. It was mostly a superficial wound."

Did you have time to be afraid? According to you, he seemed to be totally out of control.

"I have worked a lot as a bouncer at nightclubs and have become somewhat desensitized. I didn't have time to be afraid. But afterwards, it hit me. He was totally crazy. Anything could have happened."

http://www.w-axl-rose.com/News/News_2006_June.html

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

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@killuridols Thanks for posting these quotes. Some very interesting ones in there. And it's funny, I came across a really interesting article too that I've somehow never seen before and wanted to post some quotes from that as well. Great minds think alike apparently :P Will have to do post that one later.

Slash's name pops up repeatedly, invoked in a way that suggests a shellshocked husband speaking of an ex-wife after a particularly horrific divorce. "It is a divorce," Rose says with a sad stare.

It really was a divorce. I think Slash has compared it to divorce as well once and for years they were both as bitter towards each other as a couple who had split acrimoniously. And of course the divorce comparison also goes great with all the bitter break-up songs they've written about each other :lol::rolleyes:

Even when it came to picking tracks for the recent Live Era '87-'93 retrospective, Rose and Slash – whom Rose describes as "negatively seductive" – communicated their song selections only through intermediaries. "I never said that I was bitter," Rose explains, characteristically concerned with making fine distinctions. "Hurt, yeah. Disappointed. I mean, with Slash, I remember crying about all kinds of things in my life, but I had never felt hot, burning tears … hot, burning tears of anger. Basically, to me, it was because I am watching this guy and I don't understand it. Playing with everyone from Space Ghost to Michael Jackson. I don't get it. I wanted the world to love and respect him. I just watched him throw it away."

"Negatively seductive"? :lol: What's he saying, that Slash is just so tempting that he has to fight really hard to resist him? :P j/k

But still, interesting word choice.

And he's never cried for anyone like he cried for Slash. Interesting. It's great Axl is always so honest and upfront about his thoughts and feelings, because Slash would never admit something like that. Axl also talked about crying for hours on the phone and even begging when Izzy left. These two leaving him must have felt like the ultimate abandonment to him.

And yes, you're right @killuridols the last lines really do sound a lot like the lyrics of SOD :lol:

As for the Izzy thing, it's interesting, Axl still refused to see Izzy then, but only a few years later, Izzy dropped by once again on one of his "Axl check-ups" and Axl let him in, hugged him and acted like nothing bad had ever happened between them :rolleyes:

 

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2 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

 

Read that on a thread about tht video

 

@Jane M. Think We need to discuss about The Girl tht met Izzy in here, What do You think? :lol:

The one that says he was grumpy? I kinda believe her. 

I don't know what to think anymore...if he'a not having a good time why is he there? 

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What I get from the incident at the Swedish hotel is this:

"Mooooom, why did you leave me alone at that party?! It's not like I'm a grown man who can talk to other people besides his entourage or who can get himself a taxi if he wants to go home! I can't do that, that would be absolutely impossible! Better throw a temper tantrum in the lobby of the hotel! That will show 'em to leave poor little Axl alone again! Waaaaah!"

:facepalm:

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That article about the incident... I have no words :facepalm: Dear Lord Axl, why you have to be like this??

"Negatively seductive" well certainly Axl wasn't immune to Slash's charm :kiss:

And to conlcude SOD is 99,9% about Slash :slash:

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6 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

Because of Axl said or promising something to Him tht makes Him to come?

Problem is what makes Him grumpy like tht? 

I don't know. This could be very simple, either "yes I'll play with you guys for "x" amount of $" or  "no but thanks for asking". 

Apparently he's been there the whole time backstage so WTF?

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