The Holographic Universe Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 43 minutes ago, AxlIsGod. said: Right okay. Is the paper slightly glossy? I may have a fake because it’s smaller than Europe, but it is numbered... You can’t trust shit from Manila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brose Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 (edited) 56 minutes ago, AxlIsGod. said: Right okay. Is the paper slightly glossy? I may have a fake because it’s smaller than Europe, but it is numbered... I just checked, the paper is rougher and matter than the one used for Euro lithos and the back has a yellowish shade. Same applies to the one from Hong Kong. Edited April 17, 2019 by Brose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brose Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, The Holographic Universe said: You can’t trust shit from Manila Was it actually sold by someone from Manila? Because the lithos were never available in Manila (they were then shipped to HK due to problems at customs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlIsGod. Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Brose said: Was it actually sold by someone from Manila? Because the lithos were never available in Manila (they were then shipped to HK due to problems at customs). Bought it from a dude off UK eBay whos sold other lithos from the same leg, and other guns stuff. Will probably message him and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaninjapan Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 2 hours ago, AxlIsGod. said: Right okay. Is the paper slightly glossy? I may have a fake because it’s smaller than Europe, but it is numbered... Yes, Manila is semi-glossy. Manila, Kuala Lumpur, Taipei, Hong Kong and Johannesburg all were printed on kinda lower-quality paper. My friends and I joked that the paper stock is very similar to the cardboard used for cereal boxes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaninjapan Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 "US Standard" as explained on my About page is specifically 18 inches x 24 inches. Even though some lithos are SLIGHTLY larger or smaller by a few millimeters, I still list them as "US Standard" because that was the intended size of the final product. Any minor variances are unintentional and not particularly noteworthy. For example, for anybody who has a Mexico City litho and keeps it in an 18x24 portfolio or sleeve has found, the Mexico City litho is slightly wider than 18" and almost impossible to insert into an 18" wide sleeve. But unlike the European lithos (which have their own size), New Zealand lithos (which conform to an International paper size standard), the Hatch Show Print lithos (which don't even share the same size when you compare the 2016 litho to the 2017 litho), the longer LA and Tulsa lithos, slight variances are neither significant nor intentional. When a litho is particularly strange in size and can't be explained in any reasonable way, I have made notes. For example, the Buffalo litho is 18" wide but is like... a whole inch or so shorter than US Standard for some completely bizarre reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlIsGod. Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, amaninjapan said: "US Standard" as explained on my About page is specifically 18 inches x 24 inches. Even though some lithos are SLIGHTLY larger or smaller by a few millimeters, I still list them as "US Standard" because that was the intended size of the final product. Any minor variances are unintentional and not particularly noteworthy. For example, for anybody who has a Mexico City litho and keeps it in an 18x24 portfolio or sleeve has found, the Mexico City litho is slightly wider than 18" and almost impossible to insert into an 18" wide sleeve. But unlike the European lithos (which have their own size), New Zealand lithos (which conform to an International paper size standard), the Hatch Show Print lithos (which don't even share the same size when you compare the 2016 litho to the 2017 litho), the longer LA and Tulsa lithos, slight variances are neither significant nor intentional. When a litho is particularly strange in size and can't be explained in any reasonable way, I have made notes. For example, the Buffalo litho is 18" wide but is like... a whole inch or so shorter than US Standard for some completely bizarre reason. Yeah, mine doesn't seem to be minor. its probably an inch smaller, both width and height. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaninjapan Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 1 minute ago, AxlIsGod. said: Yeah, mine doesn't seem to be minor. its probably an inch smaller, both width and height. I just pulled my Manila out and it is maybe one or two millimeters longer than the 18x24 inch toploader I have it in. But the toploaders have varied in size by that much as well so I'm very confident in saying that the Manila litho is 18x24. If your litho is larger/smaller than 18x24 then I suspect something is wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlIsGod. Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 1 minute ago, amaninjapan said: I just pulled my Manila out and it is maybe one or two millimeters longer than the 18x24 inch toploader I have it in. But the toploaders have varied in size by that much as well so I'm very confident in saying that the Manila litho is 18x24. If your litho is larger/smaller than 18x24 then I suspect something is wrong. I have pm'd u a few pictures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaninjapan Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 The links to the pics you PM'd don't work but even without looking at it, just from your description, your Manila is fake. Manila should be 18" x 24" but you're saying it's smaller than Odense, which itself is European Standard - European Standard is already significantly smaller than US Standard. Even if it was exactly the same size as Odense, it's still way too small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlIsGod. Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, amaninjapan said: The links to the pics you PM'd don't work but even without looking at it, just from your description, your Manila is fake. Manila should be 18" x 24" but you're saying it's smaller than Odense, which itself is European Standard - European Standard is already significantly smaller than US Standard. Even if it was exactly the same size as Odense, it's still way too small. Right okay. Yeah, im trying to figure this out for everyone as much as me. I didnt pay too much for it and will sort it out with the seller, but basically to anyone looking; there are numbered fakes out there. I know some of us have had our suspicions in the past with certain items but yeah, this is first time I've bought anything like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaninjapan Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Try to send me the pics again. And take a photo of the numbering. The handwriting is also a dead giveaway for the last Asian leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlIsGod. Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, amaninjapan said: Try to send me the pics again. And take a photo of the numbering. The handwriting is also a dead giveaway for the last Asian leg. Just sent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaninjapan Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Got them. Sorry to say but your Manila is fake. Please let us know who the Ebay seller is so as other people can avoid getting burned in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brose Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, amaninjapan said: Got them. Sorry to say but your Manila is fake. Please let us know who the Ebay seller is so as other people can avoid getting burned in the future. The seller is "busy-bee123" Edited April 18, 2019 by Brose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaninjapan Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Just for clarity, I measured my Manila (which I know with 100% certainty is real) My tape is metric and the litho is just a few mm short of 18 inches wide and almost exactly 24 inches long. As you can see, the toploader I have it in at the moment is a bit short (will probably swap it out and throw it away) but the litho is most definitely "US Standard" The handwriting for the hand-numbering of a lot of the Asia lithos is distinct and at least to my eye (for good or bad, I've seen a LOT of GNR lithos over the past couple years), the handwriting on your fake doesn't match either. Why they would print a fake of one of the more disappointing designs is beyond me. Maybe they just assumed people buying a Manila wouldn't be as discerning or picky as someone buying an expensive litho? No idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brose Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 42 minutes ago, amaninjapan said: Just for clarity, I measured my Manila (which I know with 100% certainty is real) My tape is metric and the litho is just a few mm short of 18 inches wide and almost exactly 24 inches long. As you can see, the toploader I have it in at the moment is a bit short (will probably swap it out and throw it away) but the litho is most definitely "US Standard" The handwriting for the hand-numbering of a lot of the Asia lithos is distinct and at least to my eye (for good or bad, I've seen a LOT of GNR lithos over the past couple years), the handwriting on your fake doesn't match either. Why they would print a fake of one of the more disappointing designs is beyond me. Maybe they just assumed people buying a Manila wouldn't be as discerning or picky as someone buying an expensive litho? No idea. I have a curiosity regards the Manila litho. Could it be that it might acquire value in the future just because of the mistake between Duff's and Steven's skulls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaninjapan Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Just now, Brose said: I have a curiosity regards the Manila litho. Could it be that it might acquire value in the future just because of the mistake between Duff's and Steven's skulls? I doubt it. It's not a particularly interesting mistake and it's not a particularly amazing or popular litho. I mean... maybe? Anything is possible. But I wouldn't rush out to buy up any spares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlIsGod. Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 4 hours ago, amaninjapan said: Just for clarity, I measured my Manila (which I know with 100% certainty is real) My tape is metric and the litho is just a few mm short of 18 inches wide and almost exactly 24 inches long. As you can see, the toploader I have it in at the moment is a bit short (will probably swap it out and throw it away) but the litho is most definitely "US Standard" The handwriting for the hand-numbering of a lot of the Asia lithos is distinct and at least to my eye (for good or bad, I've seen a LOT of GNR lithos over the past couple years), the handwriting on your fake doesn't match either. Why they would print a fake of one of the more disappointing designs is beyond me. Maybe they just assumed people buying a Manila wouldn't be as discerning or picky as someone buying an expensive litho? No idea. Its weird. He recently sold a Buhler Taipei and got good feedback from the buyer, who knows if that was legit or what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnBison Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Didn't see it listed (or the search wouldn't find it) but here's the Winnipeg litho: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlIsGod. Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 54 minutes ago, CdnBison said: Didn't see it listed (or the search wouldn't find it) but here's the Winnipeg litho: It's been listed dude, don't worry we've analysed them all in this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dacatzass Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 No way can I afford all these lithographs, but I am thinking about putting a collection of tickets from the tour as I'm sure people retained extra stubs. Question would be what percentage of actual tickets vs electronic means of entry? Is this viable and should I start with a leg of the tour first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CdnBison Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 3 hours ago, AxlIsGod. said: It's been listed dude, don't worry we've analysed them all in this thread I suspected as much, but I wasn't going to go through 173 pages (!) to make sure. I'll just blame the search function. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amaninjapan Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Who has a San Francisco for trade or sale? Help me out, guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owenstar Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Let me ask my dudes aman. That was my first show, one of the crew may have picked up extras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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