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Just now, AxlRoseCDII said:

 He's the band's designated rhythm guitarist. 

Very True, he should stop playing the shitty solo in KOHD and RQ also then.  

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Just now, Slash787 said:

Very True, he should stop playing the shitty solo in KOHD and RQ also then.  

You're grasping at straws here buddy. That's your opinion and I respect, it but a lot of people actually liked those solos. I was at the 8/18 Dodger Stadium show and me and my friends I went with thought his solos were awesome. Don't forget Izzy had solos on songs back in day as well. ;)

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1 minute ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

Still a band member.

Axl takes forever to release music and CD II hasn't been released yet, most of CD was written with the old-nu band before Fortus joined. I'm going to argue that new music will feature a lot of Fortus work.

So in your mind new music that, as far as we know doesn't even exist and might not even be as good, deserves more kudos than the Guns N' Roses catalogue? Okaaaaaay.

The conclusion should be Fortus' value is very little and insignificant especially until he has made/released music with the band and ESPECIALLY compared to Izzy. But even then he will only be Izzy's replacement.

You seem rather mellow so I'm not pissed off with you just genuinely confused and I totally disagree. You seem to respect Axl's opinion too much, and that's coming from an Axl fan who loves CD(which is, let's be honest, an Axl solo record).

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34 minutes ago, ludurigan said:

I have learned during the last 25 years that GNR became a joke.

it all began on the Tracy and Roberta-era. what an embarrassing crap.

Then we had a brief (almost) rebirth in 1993 -- the band sounded good but izzy was still missing and it just doesnt sound like GNR without izzy.

Then we had 20 years of the absolutely embarrassing axl rose solo-era being presented and sold worldwide as GNR.

what a fucking waste.

I had zero hope that any of that would ever change.

but then came 2016. 

And then what was expected by many to be a GNR reunion became actually a Coins n Notes threeunion.

what could have been the best tour ever became the wildly successful "I Can Never Get Enough (And I Wont Share with Izzy)" tour

yeah, its nice that Slash, Duff and Axl back 

But it is not enough. This is basically a poor mans version of Tracy and Roberta Era, because Axl voice is in worse conditions and because these FOUR non-GNR people (specially this richard dude and this frank speedy fills dude) sound even worse than the Tracy and Roberta-era people

I dont care how nice and whatever these people are. These FOUR non-GNR people are fucking with the (great) sound that Slash, Duff and Axl are still able to produce on a live show.

I gave it a try (a lot of tries actually) on a lot of shows from this 2016 tour but it just sounds embarrassing.

its basically the same bullshit since izzy left

I wont waste my time listening to one more disgusting version of my favorite band until they remove the hired hands (specially this richard dude and this frank speedy fills dude) and bring izzy back

So you've spent 1324 posts just despising everything? Seems like a waste of time. 

And hundreds of thousands, millions even, of fans who have been going to see Guns N Roses in all its incarnations from 1991 on, would be inclined to disagree with a lot of what you said. They go, they enjoy themselves, and most don't overthink it, and there's nothing more fun than a GNR show, regardless of who is behind the drum kit, or playing rhythm. 

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1 minute ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

 Don't forget Izzy had solos on songs back in day as well. ;)

Izzy's solo complemented Slash.

Fortus was amazing in Axl's solo band, I liked his tone compared to other guitarists, but when it comes to GNR, I hope you understand why 99% of the fans want Izzy. 

I like some songs from CD, but some fans, Im not saying you, but some of them are just delusional that how Axl's solo project and their members were so awesome and how basically Axl is God, whoever leaves is the devil and whoever is still working with Axl is just amazing. 

But well we should see the reality. 

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10 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

So in your mind new music that, as far as we know doesn't even exist and might not even be as good, deserves more kudos than the Guns N' Roses catalogue? Okaaaaaay.

The conclusion should be Fortus' value is very little and insignificant especially until he has made/released music with the band and ESPECIALLY compared to Izzy. But even then he will only be Izzy's replacement.

You seem rather mellow so I'm not pissed off with you just genuinely confused and I totally disagree. You seem to respect Axl's opinion too much, and that's coming from an Axl fan who loves CD(which is, let's be honest, an Axl solo record).

:lol: agreed

 

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1 minute ago, Oldest Goat said:

So in your mind new music that, as far as we know doesn't even exist and might not even be as good, deserves more kudos than the Guns N' Roses catalogue? Okaaaaaay.

The conclusion should be Fortus' value is very little and insignificant especially until he has made/released music with the band and ESPECIALLY compared to Izzy. But even then he will only be Izzy's replacement.

You seem rather mellow so I'm not pissed off with you just genuinely confused and I totally disagree. You seem to respect Axl's opinion too much, and that's coming from an Axl fan who loves CD(which is, let's be honest, an Axl solo record).

Of course it doesn't deserve more kudos. Ignoring opinions, Appetite For Destruction and the UYI are the Guns n' Roses albums in legacy. I personally love Chinese Democracy just as much as those but I will admit, it isn't what made GN'R what it is.

But that's the thing man. It's time to move on from the 90's. That era is dead. It's over. 

Fortus fits in for this generation of GN'R over Izzy. 90's it's a different story, but for now Fortus's value is very important to this tour and to the new music of Guns n' Roses we will see in 2017-2018. Therefore, I believe Fortus deserves to be here over Izzy.

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41 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

Fortus is not a session musician, he is a legitimate band member.

 

It's not fair to kick Fortus out for Izzy.  

And yes, I am telling you that "the longterm session musician" is more deserving to be here than the original band member who wrote the music.

 

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8 minutes ago, Slash787 said:

Izzy's solo complemented Slash.

Fortus was amazing in Axl's solo band, I liked his tone compared to other guitarists, but when it comes to GNR, I hope you understand why 99% of the fans want Izzy. 

I like some songs from CD, but some fans, Im not saying you, but some of them are just delusional that how Axl's solo project and their members were so awesome and how basically Axl is God, whoever leaves is the devil and whoever is still working with Axl is just amazing. 

But well we should see the reality. 

I respect and love Izzy  for what he's added to GN'R but the 90's are over. I personally believe Fortus deserves to be here than Izzy. I can see why people do want Izzy here but I personally don't because of how unreliable he is and to be honest, to me it seems he'd be in it for the wrong reason. I believe Fortus has earned his keep and while many people may disagree with me, it is my opinion and I do choose to argue for Fortus' position. 

2 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

 

Sorry man, just my opinion :shrugs:

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4 hours ago, JAxlMorrison said:

hundreds of thousands, millions even, of fans who have been going to see Guns N Roses in all its incarnations from 1991 on, would be inclined to disagree with a lot of what you said. They go, they enjoy themselves, and most don't overthink it, and there's nothing more fun than a GNR show, regardless of who is behind the drum kit, or playing rhythm. 

its pretty obvious that millions of people have been enjoying all the versions of Guns n Roses since Izzy left

unfortunately, that doesnt make the music any better

 

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7 hours ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

It is a fact, Izzy is one of the key founding members of the band who wrote some of the most classic songs.

Fortus is not a session musician, he is a legitimate band member. I don't want to go into this, but however, Fortus is listed in Chinese Democracy as a band member, not a session artist. In the programs for the tours, he is listed as a band member, not a touring member. He has written many (unused) songs for Guns n' Roses in his stay. He has been here for 15 years, and I know this may irritate you and I don't blame you for seeing him a session musician, but technically he is a legitimate band member of this version of Guns n' Roses. Like it or not.

I never said he was more important than Izzy. Izzy will always be the key element of what made Guns n' Roses what it is. But times change and ships sail, and people move on. Again, we don't know anything about what happened with the Izzy situation. I am not favoring either side (Axl/Duff/Slash vs. Izzy) because we don't know exactly what deal went down. What Izzy tweets does not cement anything as proof. For all we know, he could've been offered 50,000 for a few guest appearances and wanted more money. Like it or not, Izzy quit Guns n' Roses back in 1991, giving up his partnership rights. So what, are you arguing Izzy should've just been back in the band like nothing ever happened? Keep in mind Slash and Duff were still under a contract of being under this partnership. Fortus has been in the band since 2002, and we know that Axl is a very loyal man to people who stay in his life. It's not fair to kick Fortus out for Izzy.  

And yes, I am telling you that "the longterm session musician" is more deserving to be here than the original band member who wrote the music. He's reliable, a great guitarist, has stayed by Axl's side through thick and thin (unlike Izzy who walked out on his "best friend" in the early 90's), had some good (admittedly few) parts on Chinese Democracy (a legitimate GN'R album like it or not) and will play a crucial role on new music through his chemistry with Slash and writing skills. Unless something changes, for now, FOR THIS TOUR: Fortus > Izzy.

 

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20 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Say what you will about Izzy but the fact is he seems like a really nice, grounded guy and you have to respect all he's done for GNR and the fact he's been sober for so fucking long.

In comparison when I look at Axl, Slash and Duff I can't help thinking how shallow and greedy they seem. Return this man to his rightful place!

Where's Izzy?

Who's Fortus?

I think you can respect Izzy without the need to show disrespect to Richard. 

It's one of the things I really don't like about the GN'R community, some people believe that showing your support for one line-up of the band means that you have to attack the others.

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53 minutes ago, Graeme said:

I think you can respect Izzy without the need to show disrespect to Richard. 

It's one of the things I really don't like about the GN'R community, some people believe that showing your support for one line-up of the band means that you have to attack the others.

Fair point. I don't care for Fortus because I'm not a fan of his style. With that said, I'm harsh with my assessment of him because he has no artistic integrity. For 15 yrs he stuck with a band that released almost no music and he has nearly nothing to show for it (aside from that 4 second better riff).

He's a whore like dizzy, Pittman and Tommy Stinson. Compare him to guys like Buckethead, Freese, Thal, Finck, etc who all walked because they were actual artists. They couldn't be bought by Axl's money.

That's why Fortus is judged harsher. He is literally a paid touring member of the band. Even Gilby has more contributions to GnR in his 3 yr stint than Fortus. That's just the facts Jack.

Fortus is impeding Izzy rejoining the band. We know Izzy wants back in. If even a guy like Ashba had the decency to step aside, why can't Fortus? Because the money is too damn good and he has zero career options outside of GnR. 

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I posted the interview on Youtube as I couldn't believe it wasn't there already, and Tunecore have now removed it from their website too (probably due to Jeff Price being given his marching orders). Also it's the last audio interview we have from Izzy, 10 years sure goes by quickly.

A lot of interesting insight in the interview in my opinion. eg. Izzy mentioning that the GNR guys used to live in what he called "The Box".....

"Box" was released in late 2006, and was co-written with Timo Kaltia (co-writer of 'Right Next Door To Hell'). It was written whilst Izzy was on tour with Guns in Summer 2006, and this song is always brought up on the forums because of the speculation that it is "Down By The Ocean" (see Axl chats in 2008).

Even if its not the same song that Axl confirmed existed in his 2008 chats, it's at least an autobiographical Izzy tune about the GNR days which still makes it a cool tune :)

Bizarrely, the first time Izzy mentioned this song was in an interview 5 years prior to him apparently writing and releasing it:

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Popular Magazine wrote:

Izzy: In '95, Duff and me recorded songs for the band [GN'R]. We made a tape that went nowhere. Then, a couple of months ago I have a message on my answering machine: 'Yo! It's Axl, I need a copy of the songs that you did.' There was one called 'Down by the Ocean' or 'Down by the Sea', they may have used it.

Izzy can't remember the song title, yet both of those lines appear in "Box" <_<

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2 hours ago, downliner said:

I posted the interview on Youtube as I couldn't believe it wasn't there already, and Tunecore have now removed it from their website too (probably due to Jeff Price being given his marching orders). Also it's the last audio interview we have from Izzy, 10 years sure goes by quickly.

A lot of interesting insight in the interview in my opinion. eg. Izzy mentioning that the GNR guys used to live in what he called "The Box".....

"Box" was released in late 2006, and was co-written with Timo Kaltia (co-writer of 'Right Next Door To Hell'). It was written whilst Izzy was on tour with Guns in Summer 2006, and this song is always brought up on the forums because of the speculation that it is "Down By The Ocean" (see Axl chats in 2008).

Even if its not the same song that Axl confirmed existed in his 2008 chats, it's at least an autobiographical Izzy tune about the GNR days which still makes it a cool tune :)

Bizarrely, the first time Izzy mentioned this song was in an interview 5 years prior to him apparently writing and releasing it:

Izzy can't remember the song title, yet both of those lines appear in "Box" <_<

That song has a very similar vocal melody to Sweet Home Alabama.

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15 hours ago, RONIN said:

Fair point. I don't care for Fortus because I'm not a fan of his style. With that said, I'm harsh with my assessment of him because he has no artistic integrity. For 15 yrs he stuck with a band that released almost no music and he has nearly nothing to show for it (aside from that 4 second better riff).

He's a whore like dizzy, Pittman and Tommy Stinson. Compare him to guys like Buckethead, Freese, Thal, Finck, etc who all walked because they were actual artists. They couldn't be bought by Axl's money.

That's why Fortus is judged harsher. He is literally a paid touring member of the band. Even Gilby has more contributions to GnR in his 3 yr stint than Fortus. That's just the facts Jack.

Fortus is impeding Izzy rejoining the band. We know Izzy wants back in. If even a guy like Ashba had the decency to step aside, why can't Fortus? Because the money is too damn good and he has zero career options outside of GnR. 

It's appalling that Fortus doesn't make career decisions based on what you want!

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9 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

It's appalling that Fortus doesn't make career decisions based on what you want!

Well @RONIN is actually right. 

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Just now, Slash787 said:

Well @RONIN is actually right. 

About what? That Fortus should take it upon himself to quit a job plenty of musicians would kill for?

 

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2 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

About what? That Fortus should take it upon himself to quit a job plenty of musicians would kill for?

 

That Robin, Bucket, Ron, Josh Freese wanted to move forward and go in a proper musical direction, they are the real artists who don't care about the extra money, music satisfies them. 

They had enough of Axl's shit unlike Fortus who will just do anything what Axl's says. 

At least Ashba had the integrity to talk nice things about Slash and even meet and take a pic with Slash unlike Fortus who din't have the balls and said he won't share the same stage as Slash. 

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2 minutes ago, Slash787 said:

That Robin, Bucket, Ron, Josh Freese wanted to move forward and go in a proper musical direction, they are the real artists who don't care about the extra money, music satisfies them. 

They had enough of Axl's shit unlike Fortus who will just do anything what Axl's says. 

At least Ashba had the integrity to talk nice things about Slash and even meet and take a pic with Slash unlike Fortus who din't have the balls and said he won't share the same stage as Slash. 

So Fortus lacks integrity because he's supposedly all about the money, and Izzy's just swell even though he's not involved because he wanted more money.

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45 minutes ago, Modano09 said:

So Fortus lacks integrity because he's supposedly all about the money, and Izzy's just swell even though he's not involved because he wanted more money.

 

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