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7 minutes ago, Georgy Zhukov said:

Freedom of the press is essential to a healthy and free society. After all. This isn't Russia. 

Or China.

I'm not talking about censoring information, I'm talking about opinionated hate speech presented as facts which historically lead to an awful lot of dead people.

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1 minute ago, AtariLegend said:

I'm not talking about censoring information, I'm talking about opinionated hate speech presented as facts which historically lead to an awful lot of dead people.

 

Hate speech will never go away. We have to be better people to prevent future persecution or genocide. Much like the test America and Europe have been going through. Will we be better than a generation of Germans and other Europeans in the 1930's and 40's? Let's hope so.

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15 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

How does one go about remedying something like that though?

We have editorial guidelines for TV broadcasting in the UK. While it might easy to figure out what people like Andrew Neil ect. think and things like the Question Time audience producer fiasco, at least it prevents Sky News from turning into what Fox News is.

So something similar for Newspapers. You present the facts first, you don't present your opinions first. If you want to include opinions, make sure it's presented as an opinion. 

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4 hours ago, AtariLegend said:

We have editorial guidelines for TV broadcasting in the UK. While it might easy to figure out what people like Andrew Neil ect. think and things like the Question Time audience producer fiasco, at least it prevents Sky News from turning into what Fox News is.

So something similar for Newspapers. You present the facts first, you don't present your opinions first. If you want to include opinions, make sure it's presented as an opinion. 

Yeah, I suppose I could get behind that...but then who would oversee such guidelines?  Its a sticky sort of thing that i shy away from immediately throwing my weight behind.  Also theres an insinuation in there that the general public are a bit thick which dont go down well.  I personally kinda back away from that kinda thing.  Feels like something too easy to abuse.

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You are bringing up archaic stuff from the Rothermere era and the turmoil of the 1930s. Just to put this in its context, the various communist/socialist groups of Britain suddenly decided to support Hitler/Appeasement after the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Various segments of the British establishment advocated appeasement and even had sympathy for what Hitler was doing because they believed Hitler could be reasoned with, and that (up until he swallowed up the Slavic part of Czechoslovakia) one could theorise that all he had really done up to that point was ''unify Germans who want to be united with Germany anyhow'' - and ''built some roads''. United States had sterilisation laws before anyone had heard of Hitler. Australia, the United States and South Africa all had institutional racism until well beyond this period in history. These were nations which Britain would ally herself when fighting Hitler!

Throw in fascist Italy flipflopping between a pro-British and pro-German stance, and the Japanese (traditionally pro-British) and you can see how complicated this period was.

Churchill was a relative fringe person.

You are also giving The Mail too much credence in British society. What tends to happen in a free society polarised around various political stances of the left-right barometer is you have multiple newspapers in mutual antagonism. It is not as if The Mail cannot be exposed and/or argued with in another newspaper that is widely read such as The Guardian (and vice versa), and indeed has been. The British also are obsessed with comedy and the obligatory ''Mail blaming asylum seekers'' is basically a stock joke. You hear it all the time on television shows such as Mock the Week and Have I Got News For You. The Express being obsessed with ''Princess Diana conspiracy theories'' is another example of this humour.

Also newspapers are varied things, consisting of sports coverage, humour, cookery (recipes), travel news, arts coverage, advertising. Just because somebody buys The Mail doesn't mean they agree with Peter Hitchens' column. I find for instance The Mail's cricketing coverage - and sport coverage in general - about second best among the middle brow rags, and this would probably be 95.9% of my motivation in reading it. Chris Evans writes a car article in the Sunday Mail for crying out loud. Piers Morgan brags about the celebrities he has met that week in a really tedious piece in the Sunday supplement.

Even a newspaper's news corresponding is not exactly monolithic. Although true, it will have a general right-left stance and reflect an editorial brief, you will still hear all kinds of political views expressed. There were people supporting the Brexit thing and disagreeing with it in just about every newspaper in Britain!! The Mail was especially divided on that subject as I recall.

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On 1/1/2017 at 3:29 AM, Len Cnut said:

 Also theres an insinuation in there that the general public are a bit thick which dont go down well.  I personally kinda back away from that kinda thing.  

Let's be honest here Len :P.

Would you really trust someone who supports United, Spurs or Millwall to make a choice effecting the country?

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On 31/12/2016 at 4:23 AM, DieselDaisy said:

In all honesty I only care about the sport from my periodicals and the Mail has decent cricket coverage. Not as good as the telegraph though.

My Dad offers the same reason for reading this disgraceful publication. He can never give a straight answer as to why he looks at the rest of the paper though. I think deep down he enjoys reading about how going for a shit on a Wednesday may give you colon cancer or that Romania joining the EU will lead to an overflow of Muslim paedophiles stealing jobs and kids in the UK. 

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4 minutes ago, SoundOfAGun said:

My Dad offers the same reason for reading this disgraceful publication. He can never give a straight answer as to why he looks at the rest of the paper though. I think deep down he enjoys reading about how going for a shit on a Wednesday may give you colon cancer or that Romania joining the EU will lead to an overflow of Muslim paedophiles stealing jobs and kids in the UK. 

I do not read the rest, nor even buy it. I can show you exactly what I read from The Mail as I have it linked in my bookmarks,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/index.html

See what I mean? No asylum seekers (unless you mean South African Kolpacks signing county contracts haha!).

I have all the newspapers' cricket coverage linked. I find The Mail's second best.

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On 03/01/2017 at 3:47 PM, AtariLegend said:

Let's be honest here Len :P.

Would you really trust someone who supports United, Spurs or Millwall to make a choice effecting the country?

You cant be thinkin' like that man, its that sort of divisive thinking that, really and truly, publications like The Mail thrive upon.  Theres a possibility you were joking with that but you've got to know that there is something of a parrallel between prejudice that rags like The DM spout and the intellectual prejudice of thinking that 'the great unwashed' are somehow beneath you/us.

And I'll tell ya something else too, maybe this says more about me than anything but i feel more comfortable around people like that than i do among your 'I'm intellectual and i know it' types.  Dont get me wrong, I'm not anti-intellectual, I mean I literally live for the arts, music, movies, theatre, literature, its the only part of culture that speaks to me, the main part anyway but at the same time, if you were to stack things up I'd probably fit better with the thickos than i would amongst a bunch of university educated intellectuals.

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27 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

You cant be thinkin' like that man, its that sort of divisive thinking that, really and truly, publications like The Mail thrive upon.  Theres a possibility you were joking with that but you've got to know that there is something of a parrallel between prejudice that rags like The DM spout and the intellectual prejudice of thinking that 'the great unwashed' are somehow beneath you/us.

And I'll tell ya something else too, maybe this says more about me than anything but i feel more comfortable around people like that than i do among your 'I'm intellectual and i know it' types.  Dont get me wrong, I'm not anti-intellectual, I mean I literally live for the arts, music, movies, theatre, literature, its the only part of culture that speaks to me, the main part anyway but at the same time, if you were to stack things up I'd probably fit better with the thickos than i would amongst a bunch of university educated intellectuals.

I was joking hence why I used Football.

I just want to point too, that I hardly come from the land of the "liberal elites". Northern Ireland or Belfast is hardly London.

It's not about calling people thick. People living Russia that live/breathe state media aren't thick either. They're just subjected to their own country's propaganda/media like we are. It's not like the EU referendum was entirely based upon what people in the country and rural areas think. People can only go by what they're told day in and day out. Murdoch's decided every PM since Thatcher. Express is funded by nuters and the Mail is exactly what we've been talking about.

UKIP were an irrelevance in this country several years ago and Farage someone who failed in a bid to run as an MP in a dozen different continences. It was the media that built a cult around them and kept putting Farage on every political show, they kept shoving Farage down people's throats until UKIP became what is now. A party with nasty views with 1 MP (who defected from the Tories and just happens to hold a safe seat) that for some reason are 2nd most influential party in the country now (they get more air time than Labour).

If Trump was English, these outlets would be hailing him like he was the 2nd coming and alot of people would believe it too.

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3 minutes ago, AtariLegend said:

I was joking hence why I used Football.

I just want to point too, that I hardly come from the land of the "liberal elites". Northern Ireland or Belfast is hardly London.

It's not about calling people thick. People living Russia that live/breathe state media aren't thick either. They're just subjected to their own country's propaganda/media like we are. It's not like the EU referendum was entirely based upon what people in the country and rural areas think. People can only go by what they're told day in and day out. Murdoch's decided every PM since Thatcher. Express is funded by nuters and the Mail is exactly what we've been talking about.

UKIP were an irrelevance in this country several years ago and Farage someone who failed in a bid to run as an MP in a dozen different continences. It was the media that built a cult around them and kept putting Farage on every political show, they kept shoving Farage down people's throats until UKIP became what is now. A party with nasty views with 1 MP (who defected from the Tories and just happens to hold a safe seat) that for some reason are 2nd most influential party in the country now (they get more air time than Labour).

If Trump was English, these outlets would be hailing him like he was the 2nd coming and alot of people would believe it too.

You really think it was all the medias work?

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On 1/5/2017 at 1:22 AM, Len Cnut said:

You really think it was all the medias work?

The fucker's been on TV non stop for years. He's failed what? 7 times in 7 different constituencies? UKIP are mentioned non stop on every show, didn't even have a MP in 2010? 

Give the same coverage to the Green Party and see how well they do. Green's at least manage to hold onto a seat, got a million or so votes at the last election. I bet you most couldn't even name their MP. If UKIP were given the same coverage they were given back then proportionate to the performance in previous elections, you probably wouldn't even heard of them.

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3 minutes ago, AtariLegend said:

The fucker's been on TV non stop for years. He's failed what? 7 times in 7 different constituencies? UKIP are mentioned non stop on every show, didn't even have a PM in 2010? 

Give the same coverage to the Green Party and see how well they do. Green's at least manage to hold onto a seat, got a million or so votes at the last election. I bet you most couldn't even name their MP. If UKIP were given the same coverage they were given back then proportionate to the performance in previous elections, you probably wouldn't even heard of them.

I suppose you have a point.  More than a point in fact.  But blanket coverage cant make you think something you dont, you could lock me in a tank and tell me white people are evil ad infinitum but I wouldn't come out of there believing you ever because i know what i know and you can't re-order my thought process like that.  Perhaps the scary truth that people dont wanna face is that a lot of people agree with that shit.

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45 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

I suppose you have a point.  More than a point in fact.  But blanket coverage cant make you think something you dont, you could lock me in a tank and tell me white people are evil ad infinitum but I wouldn't come out of there believing you ever because i know what i know and you can't re-order my thought process like that.  Perhaps the scary truth that people dont wanna face is that a lot of people agree with that shit.

You're naive then. Whitey is the devil. Up yours, whitey!

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On 31 December 2016 at 5:41 AM, Georgy Zhukov said:

Freedom of the press is essential to a healthy and free society. After all. This isn't Russia. 

Or China.

The media is still controlled by the state though. 

And I think the media created terrorism. 

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46 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Do you think we will get a rock hard brexit or a flaccid brexit?

A mess in a few years anyway, but luckily May will be able to say "she stood up for Britain" before the fallout starts meaning an easy 2020. ...And with Labour having done a hatchet job on themselves, as if the media hadn't already they're doomed them without a coalition (and the poll numbers suggest that might be pushing it too).

At least the Tories will able to get rid of all those nasty Human Rights they hate along with pushing through the Investigatory Powers Act ect... that the EU said was illegal.

Thanks England!!! In a decade we'll get to see how V for Vendetta plays out in real life if Trump doesn't start WW3.

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I was being facetious however,

22 minutes ago, AtariLegend said:

A mess in a few years anyway, but luckily May will be able to say "she stood up for Britain" before the fallout starts meaning an easy 2020. ...And with Labour having done a hatchet job on themselves, as if the media hadn't already they're doomed them without a coalition (and the poll numbers suggest that might be pushing it too).

At least the Tories will able to get rid of all those nasty Human Rights they hate along with pushing through the Investigatory Powers Act ect... that the EU said was illegal.

Thanks England!!! In a decade we'll get to see how V for Vendetta plays out in real life if Trump doesn't start WW3.

The European Court of Human Rights is not European Union.

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5 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

I was being facetious however,

The European Court of Human Rights is not European Union.

The European Court of Justice is still a body for European Union, that ruled against some of the Tories more colorful bills i.e such as the Act I referred to. 

That the Mail has convinced it's readers is in their best interests.

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