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1 minute ago, killuridols said:

As for women, yeah, you're right.... he could be talking about Steph.... what month in 1992 was this article from?

March (obviously the interview took place maybe a month before or more), if the date is correct. His RS interview was in April.

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43 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

March (obviously the interview took place maybe a month before or more), if the date is correct. His RS interview was in April.

Hmmm... lol I dont know! I thought by then they were doing "great" :wacko: but the more we've been diggin' this lately, the more shit comes out to show they were pretty unstable and not as happy as he wanted to paint it :shrugs:

What did he say in RS about Steph? I dont remember now, I'm awful :max:..... I just know that there is the Interview mag interview (lol) published on May 1992, where he is with Stephanie on the cover but he talks about receiving the call from Izzy leaving the band when he was taking those pics with Stephanie... didn't Izzy leave in November 1991? :question:

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And there is also the interview for Musician Magazine, published in June 1992, where he talks about crying over the U2's song "One" because it made him understand his marriage with Erin had gone wrong because they were damaged people. So, maybe that's the time when he was thinking about going back with her? :question:

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I have become unaccostumed with the time things took to get published in the 90's versus now that you get stuff gone on air the very same day they happen, so figuring out dates its kinda hard......
Bottom line, 1992 was the year all of his positive views on the relationship came out but at the same time, they got out late and he was actually having a bad time with her?

loooooooooooool what a mess! :facepalm: :bitchfight:

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@killuridols in the RS interview he said about the same is in Interview magazine, ie. that Steph supported him etc.

About the timings: Judging from other interviews in which there is reference on when they took place, I think that, in the case of magazines, it was at least a month before, usually more.

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4 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

@killuridols in the RS interview he said about the same is in Interview magazine, ie. that Steph supported him etc.

About the timings: Judging from other interviews in which there is reference on when they took place, I think that, in the case of magazines, it was at least a month before, usually more.

Ok.

Yeah, because they also included exclusive photoshoots and I guess there must have been a lot of going back & forth with needing the approval for this or that shot, blah blah, same with interview....

lol, how times have changed :P

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6 hours ago, killuridols said:

 

Personally, I'm totally against people having children for the sake of it, just to fullfill their needs of companion, a partner or whatever hole they have in their lives. Like I said before, I advocate for quality of life and not for just "living" because someone said so. Don't bring children to this world if you're gonna be a jerk to them, cause them emotional problems and wreck them for life. We already have too many people fucked up by selfish people who couldn't stop themselves from being egotistical fucks. Axl himself is the product of two people who were not meant to have children and shouldn't have raised any child because they were totally inept.

It looks to me back in the day he was pretty aware of this line of thought and that is something to admire on him. I don't know what is his take now. Seems like he's still on that line. We, as humans, can do much more than just reproduce ourselves like rabbits. It is time that we start looking for quality of life, not quantity.

 

These words,  I agree 100% with this especially because I always see people wanting to fill the void with a kid, sometimes it gives me the impression that some people think of a child as a puppy or something that ain't a big deal.

A kid is a lifetime compromise. 

But returning to Axl, idk, he may not be a role model and he may have issues, but lets be honest, most of parents aren't super qualified to be parents... 

The guy has money, lots of servants (TB)  can I call them that? ( not very professional in my eyes)  and he doesn't look to crazy to me nowadays, I can't say much about him because  I don't know him, but for what I have read in here he has his moments, but I wouldn't say he isn't apt to have a son/daughter.

So I would say it is his decision and his right for that matter. I mean MJ had kids and they look pretty normal to me... idk that's my opinion

 

10 hours ago, money honey said:

That is an appalling prospect, mostly because it's not unlikely. If he stays single and childless, I hope he leaves all his money to animals' charities. 

Poor guy. 

I think so too. Nobody needs to be perfect to be a parent. He would certainly have the financial side sorted. With the benefit of years now, he'd be as good a father as anyone.

I  hope he reproduce soon  even if it is with Sasha (at this rate it doesn't matter). 

it is either that  or what Frey said..:scared:

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Reading everyone's thoughts on whether or Axl would make a good parent has me wondering anyone from the GNR camp actually lurks this thread. I know Axl has an account registered to myGNR as Dexter, which hasn't been used in a few years.  It still makes one wonder if he (or anyone who associates with Axl in real life) has other accounts that are used specifically for the purpose of lurking. 

If any of that is the case, hopefully someone catches onto this advice and applies it to his/Axl's life.

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Gawwwd, it's hurting my eyes to read about Axl should be having a kid. A child is not to fill voids, to enrich lives or become an heir in order to keep the money on the right side or any of it. There are so many hints that Axl is a truly damaged soul. I wish him all the best and he kind of seems to be in a good place right now. But even that has been asked as he seemd sad to some posters here.

To me this kind of thinking is very cruel towards this unborn child, really, I'm not kidding you.

But yeah, everyone's entitled to their opinion, don't get me wrong.

I hope they're not lurking here because they probably wouldn't pick the adivce I'd approve of. lol But I guess they have been at one point or another. This thread is so full of weirdness and proud femininity, I guess non of the GnR guys could handle this. Or understand.

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Storys of that kind with interviewing Axl Rose would at least have taken 2 until 4 months of preparation before printing. Still today editorial staff can only plan within 2 months. Even if they wanted to be fast and make space in the next possible magazine (which is unlikely because everything has been planned 2-4 months in advance) it would have taken 2 months with the interview needing to take place and the foto shoot with all those people involved and equipment and dates. The deadline for editorial material let alone is set 2 weeks-7 days before printing time. And the interview has to get written an revisited and so on.

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I don't think we can compare romantic relationships to relationships between parent and child.  I don't think anyones past relationships can determine how good a parent they can be.  I've known some fiery so and so's who are jealous, wild and combative with their partners, only to be an amazing nurturer to their children...

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14 minutes ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Just curious, with all this talk of parenting and whether or not Axl would make a good father, is anyone here a parent themselves? 

Yup, I'm a parent. I honestly speaking was like Axl and never wanted to have a kid because a kid would have been an obstical in my socialite life and my international travels. But when I got my daughter when I was 34 yrs all changed. I still do socialising and travel a lot  but at the same time she has changed me as a person a lot. Axl is a very lovely and spy person. With the age and time he has changed as well and he definitely would be an amazing loving father. 

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25 minutes ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Just curious, with all this talk of parenting and whether or not Axl would make a good father, is anyone here a parent themselves? 

yes I have kids. 

 

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1 hour ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Just curious, with all this talk of parenting and whether or not Axl would make a good father, is anyone here a parent themselves? 

Plenty of people here have kids. Off the top of my head I remember for example MillionsOfSpiders, money honey, janrichmond and Tori72 mentioning their children.

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And I'm taking this here to not derail the Izzy thread any further...

11 hours ago, Kris_1989 said:

 

 

11 hours ago, purplestargirl said:

She means heresay.

From all the GNR related stuff I've seen and watched, I've never seen Slash treat a woman like she's garbage.

11 hours ago, Archtop said:

Really? Read his book even he admits he didn't treat some of his exes very well. It's been a long time since I have read it ,but I think he was pretty awful to his first wife and also I don't think he was very polite about Meegan either. 

@Frey I saw the tweet because @Cold Jen Time answered it, I only know about her from the women's thread, she was pregnant with Dizzy's baby I think. (Wow, I hope I'm remembering this correctly) So it looks like she has something with Slash as well. How awkward.

10 hours ago, Darkenchantress said:

I'm not surprised at all. There was a time (no pun intended :lol:) when Slash probably just allowed his penis to do all the thinking. He slept with Perla the night before his wedding with Renee, come on... :facepalm:

11 hours ago, Kris_1989 said:

She didn't say & I think It was Baz's marriage that she ruined. :no:

Well, obviously she exaggerates but I'm sure this will still cause a lot of problems when it comes out. I feel bad for Meegan, honestly. :wacko: Hopefully whatever happened with Roxana was before Meegan was involved with him.

 

I agree with @Archtop and @Darkenchantress. Slash might not have taken it to the extremes Axl and Izzy did, but the guy is no saint either when it comes to his treatment of women.

Apart from the examples already mentioned, the "It's amazing how much abuse women will take..." quote we recently had here immediately comes to mind.

And if Miss Shirazi truly has emails and messages with "incriminating" material (or at least stuff that will make Slash appear in very bad light), then she is perfectly capable of causing drama and problems for Slash, same as she did with Baz and Dizzy.

Also, am I remembering this wrong or did someone here in this thread once mention that Slash actually follows Roxana Shirazi on Twitter?

If so, he probably saw those birthday wishes :lol::facepalm:

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Gonna comment on some other stuff here later...

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Frey said:

Plenty of people here have kids. Off the top of my head I remember for example MillionsOfSpiders, money honey, janrichmond and Tori72 mentioning their children.

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Ah, ok, that's cool.  I was only asking because I noticed that no-one seemed to be drawing on their own parenting experiences during the discussion so just wondered.  I am a parent myself.  My own take on it is that I don't think anyone can really say with confidence whether or not they will make a good parent, or if someone they know will, until they are one (even then you're constantly questioning).  Nothing really prepares you, no matter how prepared you think you are, or aren't.  I've known some people who were convinced they'd be these Earth Mother/Father types and they turned out to really struggle, and others who were terrified of the prospect because they thought they'd fuck up big time, who ended up doing a great job.  And different stages of parenting require different skills, strategies and insights.  The way you parent during the baby and infant stage is vastly different to how you parent when they're at primary school and again when they're a teenager etc...some people are better at one stage than another.  Anyway, I respect Axl's decision to not have any.  I respect anyone's decision to not have any, really.

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8 hours ago, penelope said:

But returning to Axl, idk, he may not be a role model and he may have issues, but lets be honest, most of parents aren't super qualified to be parents... 

The guy has money, lots of servants (TB)  can I call them that? ( not very professional in my eyes)  and he doesn't look to crazy to me nowadays, I can't say much about him because  I don't know him, but for what I have read in here he has his moments, but I wouldn't say he isn't apt to have a son/daughter.

So I would say it is his decision and his right for that matter. I mean MJ had kids and they look pretty normal to me... idk that's my opinion

Of course, no parenting is perfect because humans aren't perfect. The thing is that despite little mistakes you don't end up inflicting an incredible amount of pain on your children by psychologically damaging them with bullshit you drag from your own life.

Money, servants, etc. don't mean a shit to a person if their parents are not there to help with shaping your life, your character, your values.

I wouldn't use the Jackson kids as an example of anything. Yes, he had them because he could.... so what? In theory, everybody can have them. That's not the thing. Parenting doesn't mean giving birth or bringing people to the world just because.

Jackson was a crazy guy and I have no idea how the children have turned out but I don't think their lives are very normal. 

7 hours ago, purplestargirl said:

Reading everyone's thoughts on whether or Axl would make a good parent has me wondering anyone from the GNR camp actually lurks this thread.

If any of that is the case, hopefully someone catches onto this advice and applies it to his/Axl's life.

7 hours ago, Tori72 said:

hope they're not lurking here because they probably wouldn't pick the adivce I'd approve of. lol But I guess they have been at one point or another. This thread is so full of weirdness and proud femininity, I guess non of the GnR guys could handle this. Or understand.

 

 

I thought it wouldn't be necessary but maybe we should all make it clear that these are our opinions and nothing else.

Advice? No, no way. We can't be so egotistical. We shouldn't. I mean, when I say what I say it is not meant as an advice to anyone. I'm not here to preach or to say what's right or wrong. I just want to express my opinion or my point of view on things but if they are lurking, I hope they don't take this as that we are trying to tell them what to do with their lives.

Take it just as what it is... opinions of different people.

3 hours ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Just curious, with all this talk of parenting and whether or not Axl would make a good father, is anyone here a parent themselves? 

I am not and for the moment I have chosen not to become a parent because I don't consider myself apt to be a good one.... or at least my idea of what is a good parent.

I know that actually being a parent is different than the previous stage when you are thinking of it but let's don't forget we have been children too. We are still the children of someone else and in my case, I consider myself a good observer of social interaction, so I'm always checking out what happens with the others around me. I have family and friends, I can see how some have been raised and the flaws in it. I see the flaws in the parenting of my friends and acquaintances and I am totally aware of all the flaws in my raising, so... maybe it is a vicarious experience but it is enough to have an opinion about it.

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41 minutes ago, killuridols said:

Of course, no parenting is perfect because humans aren't perfect. The thing is that despite little mistakes you don't end up inflicting an incredible amount of pain on your children by psychologically damaging them with bullshit you drag from your own life.

Money, servants, etc. don't mean a shit to a person if their parents are not there to help with shaping your life, your character, your values.

I wouldn't use the Jackson kids as an example of anything. Yes, he had them because he could.... so what? In theory, everybody can have them. That's not the thing. Parenting doesn't mean giving birth or bringing people to the world just because.

Jackson was a crazy guy and I have no idea how the children have turned out but I don't think their lives are very normal. 

 

I know, all I'm saying is that if he believes, and if he still wants to have kids, it is his decision at the end. I probably didn't make myself clear...  and yeah MJ shouldn't be taken as an example, whatever, it is just my silly opinion I didn't mean to upset anyone here.

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And no, I don't have kids, I know nothing ahout them and I don't consider myself apt to be a parent for lots of reasons. I just wrote of it because I felt it was a bit harsh to say no kid should have Axl as a parent. It was probably a joke idk, anyway, I hope no one takes this very serious.

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11 hours ago, penelope said:

These words,  I agree 100% with this especially because I always see people wanting to fill the void with a kid, sometimes it gives me the impression that some people think of a child as a puppy or something that ain't a big deal.

A kid is a lifetime compromise. 

But returning to Axl, idk, he may not be a role model and he may have issues, but lets be honest, most of parents aren't super qualified to be parents... 

The guy has money, lots of servants (TB)  can I call them that? ( not very professional in my eyes)  and he doesn't look to crazy to me nowadays, I can't say much about him because  I don't know him, but for what I have read in here he has his moments, but I wouldn't say he isn't apt to have a son/daughter.

So I would say it is his decision and his right for that matter. I mean MJ had kids and they look pretty normal to me... idk that's my opinion

 

I  hope he reproduce soon  even if it is with Sasha (at this rate it doesn't matter). 

it is either that  or what Frey said..:scared:

If it's what he wants, I hope he can achieve  the circumstances to have children too.

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3 hours ago, killuridols said:

Of course, no parenting is perfect because humans aren't perfect. The thing is that despite little mistakes you don't end up inflicting an incredible amount of pain on your children by psychologically damaging them with bullshit you drag from your own life.

Money, servants, etc. don't mean a shit to a person if their parents are not there to help with shaping your life, your character, your values.

I wouldn't use the Jackson kids as an example of anything. Yes, he had them because he could.... so what? In theory, everybody can have them. That's not the thing. Parenting doesn't mean giving birth or bringing people to the world just because.

Jackson was a crazy guy and I have no idea how the children have turned out but I don't think their lives are very normal. 

I thought it wouldn't be necessary but maybe we should all make it clear that these are our opinions and nothing else.

Advice? No, no way. We can't be so egotistical. We shouldn't. I mean, when I say what I say it is not meant as an advice to anyone. I'm not here to preach or to say what's right or wrong. I just want to express my opinion or my point of view on things but if they are lurking, I hope they don't take this as that we are trying to tell them what to do with their lives.

Take it just as what it is... opinions of different people.

I am not and for the moment I have chosen not to become a parent because I don't consider myself apt to be a good one.... or at least my idea of what is a good parent.

I know that actually being a parent is different than the previous stage when you are thinking of it but let's don't forget we have been children too. We are still the children of someone else and in my case, I consider myself a good observer of social interaction, so I'm always checking out what happens with the others around me. I have family and friends, I can see how some have been raised and the flaws in it. I see the flaws in the parenting of my friends and acquaintances and I am totally aware of all the flaws in my raising, so... maybe it is a vicarious experience but it is enough to have an opinion about it.

Oh, I wasn't trying to suggest only parents could have an opinion on this matter, I was simply curious if anyone happened to be a parent...you know...for observational purposes (see my previous post).  I'm definitely not one to think Axl ought to have children (because I don't think anyone 'ought' to have children, it's very much a personal choice), and I respect his decision.  My only wish for him, for any human being, is companionship of some sort, so I hope he has that, or gets that.  Just my opinion of course.  

And now I'm wondering who is this Roxana Shirazi?  That's a pretty explosive birthday tweet!

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6 minutes ago, Fang said:

@Ratam true, though he could have become sterile after. Maybe. I don't know much about sterility. Or he is just very very careful about not having a kid.

Me too,not know if someone become sterile after, maybe for someone  ilness,but ,not sure

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@Frey what the hell? :rofl-lol:

I remember talking about this woman before but I now I forgot who she is :question:..... What is her book? when is it coming out? LOL
What has Slash done that there are so many women lining up to destroy him?? :wow:

4 hours ago, penelope said:

And no, I don't have kids, I know nothing ahout them and I don't consider myself apt to be a parent for lots of reasons. I just wrote of it because I felt it was a bit harsh to say no kid should have Axl as a parent. It was probably a joke idk, anyway, I hope no one takes this very serious.

Not harsh. It is just an opinion. Of course, he has the right just like everybody else..... some of us think he might not be apt..... but again, that's up to him... not like anyone here has any power over him. Is it necessary to clarify it? :shrugs:

Also, I think age it is another factor that makes me have a non-positive opinion on this.

3 hours ago, Fang said:

My mom suggested to me once that Axl might be sterile. It seems odd that not even an acvidental child has popped up.

It is very hard for us here to know and determine this. Sterility and infertility are two different things but to be diagnosed with it, you need a steady partner or the situation in which you've been trying to conceive, for at least a year, and have not suceeded.

I remember Axl saying, after Erin had the miscarriage, that they wanted to try it again, that's why they were moving to the new house. But a few months later they broke up, so the plans were abruptly changed.

We don't know if Stephanie and him were trying to have a child.... If they did and it didn't work, then maybe he has a problem.

 

2 hours ago, MyPrettyTiedUpMichelle said:

Oh, I wasn't trying to suggest only parents could have an opinion on this matter, I was simply curious if anyone happened to be a parent...you know...for observational purposes (see my previous post). 

I know :)

Just wanted to add that because I think it is interesting to have opinions that are formed based in a different experience.

 

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