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34 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I noticed the bracelet too and that was my immediate thought as well, some kind of magic crystal thing going on. 

In the town where I live now there used to be a little shop that sold this kind of thing, they used to do reading tarot cards and tea leaves in it :lol: They sold all these magic crystals and such and they had those type of bracelets, the lady in there would go on about how green was healing, all the green stones were for healing. The shop was in a place where the water is famed in history for its curing qualities (I kid you not, this water is famous in England :lol:

Could be a healing bracelet for some kind of illness :question:

People got rid of magical to more rational world recently, in less than 100 years (when education started to be wide available). But there are still many things which are not rationally explainable, so people go for magic. Yes, this is internet forum, we can pretend we are pretty rational, but when times go hard or you meet borderline state like dying, you start doing rituals. Science goes aside then, honestly.

20 minutes ago, stella said:

That looks like a Native American turquoise bracelet. There are a number of Native American Nations in the Southwest USA (Arizona, New Mexico) that make silver and turquoise jewelry. It's a huge draw and it's a very common souvenir from the Southwest. There's cheap stuff that's $10 in any gift shop in Arizona or NM and then on the other end of the scale there are really complex, well-designed handmade pieces that go for thousands of dollars. While some of it may hold spiritual significance to the wearer, quite often people buy it because they like how it looks, because they want to support Native American craftspeople, or because they went to the Southwest on vacation and think it's a nice souvenir. I had a pair of turquoise earrings as a kid, and there was nothing behind it except that the color was nice and the earrings were well made.

You can see there are some bracelets on this page that look a lot like Axl's. http://www.eaglerocktradingpost.com/native-american-turquoise-bracelets/

We know Axl was in Arizona in the wilderness years because of that arrest.

 

 

Thank you. :):hug::hug:

If it speaks to you, it works. Doesn`t mater if it`s a mere cheap souvenir or personalized thing made of precious materials. Even others can feel that particular thing fits you or it`s a kind of "magical". 

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14 hours ago, killuridols said:

These are cool....

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When was thia? :huh:

13 hours ago, killuridols said:

Nest is awful but 2001 he looks worse than any other years (also 2000 and 2002). Not only hair but the outfits are the "awfulest" :scared:

I found these....

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This is why Axl needs His Ex Boyfriend 

He needs Izzy instead of Amiri:smiley-confused2:

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7 minutes ago, Alja said:

People got rid of magical to more rational world recently, in less than 100 years (when education started to be wide available). But there are still many things which are not rationally explainable, so people go for magic. Yes, this is internet forum, we can pretend we are pretty rational, but when times go hard or you meet borderline state like dying, you start doing rituals. Science goes aside then, honestly.

If it speaks to you, it works. Doesn`t mater if it`s a mere cheap souvenir or personalized thing made of precious materials. Even others can feel that particular thing fits you or it`s a kind of "magical". 

Oh, totally, I believe that too. I was just trying to say that that particular type of jewelry isn't sold or presented as being any sort of healing or magical thing here, for the most part.

In fact there is usually a lot of care taken *not* to sell or present it as any sort of Native American religious or spiritual symbol out of respect...because there have been a lot of Native American rituals/symbols that have been stolen and appropriated already.

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12 minutes ago, stella said:

That's a really good observation. I was trying to get at the fact that being a dealer meant that he had associations with a very shady, dangerous element, but you have really expanded on that. And of course dealing heroin is a criminal act in itself. Add in Desi, and...yeah. that does have repercussions. It's an excellent point that Izzy's history of evasiveness may be a matter of self-preservation and not wanting to incriminate himself.

 

This thread goes a little bit further into Izzy's mindset as well:

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It's interesting that Beta told Marc that Izzy was upset with the drug stories in Slash's book. It would be impossible for any member of this band to write an autobiography that didn't talk about their substance abuse. It had such an impact on their experiences and the band's image. And I don't remember any drug stories in Slash's book being overly accusatory or anything. The sex with the same girl story was more embarrassing then any of the drug stories.  

Anyway, how stupid was Marc to bring up the fact that Desi and Pamela would be there on the same day as Izzy?! Jesus, man. It's the ultimate :facepalm:. You haul that out on someone you know to be skittish about the past?

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Izzy and Axl were bitching about Slash's book to each other :lol: 

I don't know why I find it so hilarious to imagine the pair of them whinging about slash's book :lol:

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2 minutes ago, stella said:

Oh, totally, I believe that too. I was just trying to say that that particular type of jewelry isn't sold or presented as being any sort of healing or magical thing here, for the most part.

In fact there is usually a lot of care taken *not* to sell or present it as any sort of Native American religious or spiritual symbol out of respect...because there have been a lot of Native American rituals/symbols that have been stolen and appropriated already.

I wear crazy colorful socks to work against grumpy morons. They did not sell them as magic or amulet or something, but it works because you don`t fall into certain people`s drama if you keep in mind that you wear crazy colorful socks they cannot see. I love to travel the world and yes, there are lot of places selling you any trinket as native magic. On the other side, many things are sold like local craft from ordinary people to support the community, nothing else. My rule is not bring home magic I don`t know. Some of the things you can buy are scary. 

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54 minutes ago, SerenityScorp said:

When was thia? :huh:

This is why Axl needs His Ex Boyfriend 

He needs Izzy instead of Amiri:smiley-confused2:

This guy last pic Axl,is Fernando? Same look

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3 hours ago, Alja said:

I wear crazy colorful socks to work against grumpy morons. They did not sell them as magic or amulet or something, but it works because you don`t fall into certain people`s drama if you keep in mind that you wear crazy colorful socks they cannot see. I love to travel the world and yes, there are lot of places selling you any trinket as native magic. On the other side, many things are sold like local craft from ordinary people to support the community, nothing else. My rule is not bring home magic I don`t know. Some of the things you can buy are scary. 

Love the socks! :)

I think our wires are getting crossed a little. :) I agree that anything can be seen as magical, but when we were talking about that piece, we were talking about something very common as decorative jewelry in the USA. Someone buying and wearing it in the USA would be much more likely to be wearing it as a fashion statement and not anything more.

Also, specifically in the USA - not elsewhere - most stores would NOT sell turquoise as "native magic" because there is a long history here with Native Americans. Native Americans were abused and killed by the European settlers who came in, and even in the 20th century the USA and Canada were doing horrible things to Native Americans. And a lot of their sacred, religious symbols were stolen and misused. Like have you ever seen a person wearing an "Indian headdress?" That's actually something very sacred in some Native American tribes, but people around the world wear it for fashion now without thinking of what it means. Dream catchers are another one - you can buy a dream catcher made by an actual Native American with intent, but it's also been appropriated and now they mass-produce dream catchers in factories in China for profit.

So in the USA Axl wouldn't have been buying a bracelet like this as "native magic" and that's not something typically worn for spiritual practices here. It doesn't mean that *he* might not have given some special significance to it, but it does mean that it wouldn't normally be used or presented in that context here.

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12 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Omg... I can't...  I just can't... I can't be that person who makes fun of Axl and his Native American fancies again :awesomeface:

To be fair that's something that a lot of people with New Age-y views tend to fall into, unfortunately. :P A lot of New Age gurus style themselves as "shamans" and appropriate a lot from both Buddhism and Native American spiritual traditions...

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7 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

On a different note, I watched some of those Maynard videos on YouTube :scared:

There are yoda videos?? Do you have a link, I'd like to see some of those..

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12 hours ago, Frey said:

Isn't that just a rumor though? I tried looking this up once and found no real concrete evidence of it. I even listened to the dumb song I think and you can't really hear anything worth mentioning iirc. But if it's true, then yeah, seriously fucked up and shows what a douche Niven is.

TBH, I don't hear the stuff either but there is one thing I know of and that is the recording does exist. Maybe we would need one of those people who work with audio and can separate the channels/layers to find it, because sometimes those things are hidden very deep and you can't listen to them on the surface.

I don't have the knowledge to do that but if I could, I would...

10 hours ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

I noticed the bracelet too and that was my immediate thought as well, some kind of magic crystal thing going on. 

In the town where I live now there used to be a little shop that sold this kind of thing, they used to do reading tarot cards and tea leaves in it :lol: They sold all these magic crystals and such and they had those type of bracelets, the lady in there would go on about how green was healing, all the green stones were for healing. The shop was in a place where the water is famed in history for its curing qualities (I kid you not, this water is famous in England :lol:

Could be a healing bracelet for some kind of illness :question:

The rock is intriguing, I would like to have a better picture of it... The bracelet part looks like silver. It's beautiful, I want it! :P

I think Yoda and the husband gave him crystals and other pieces of decoration or I don't know how to call them, with special powers or whatever, lol....

The bracelet could be for anything: energizing, putting away bad spirits, good luck, strenght, healing powers, good vibes.... That one looks mainly aquamarine but I can notice other colors too. Aquamarine is for keeping negative energy away and giving balance to body and mind.

It could come from Yoda but also from China or even Southamerica. It looks expensive, so I don't think he bought it in a little shop :ph34r:

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9 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

When was thia? :huh:

 

7 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Which show is Axl's hoody-hat combo from?

It's either Osaka or Tokyo, 2009

9 hours ago, SerenityScorp said:

This is why Axl needs His Ex Boyfriend 

He needs Izzy instead of Amiri

Amiri didn't make those awful clothes from 2001! :rofl-lol:

 

 

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11 hours ago, Whiskey Rose said:

There are yoda videos?? Do you have a link, I'd like to see some of those..

Don't know how much stuff is out there, but I made a thread in D&N about a video featuring Yoda's husband once.

Because the guy even mentions Axl in this one and says he's one who gave him the crystal ball thingie that made Axl lose his shit during the 1998 air port incident. Apparently Axl keeps/kept that thing next to his bed.

I also remember seeing a video of Suzy London (Don't Cry video "therapist") on Youtube. She's a complete fraud as well. They're all such obvious fakes and charlatans, it's ridiculous.

 

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does everyone remember the grand theft auto game he did such a surprise at the time I had no interest in playing the game just parked the car and listened to him :lol: I love these odd things that popped up in the wilderness years :heart:

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9 hours ago, killuridols said:

TBH, I don't hear the stuff either but there is one thing I know of and that is the recording does exist. Maybe we would need one of those people who work with audio and can separate the channels/layers to find it, because sometimes those things are hidden very deep and you can't listen to them on the surface.

I don't have the knowledge to do that but if I could, I would...

The rock is intriguing, I would like to have a better picture of it... The bracelet part looks like silver. It's beautiful, I want it! :P

I think Yoda and the husband gave him crystals and other pieces of decoration or I don't know how to call them, with special powers or whatever, lol....

The bracelet could be for anything: energizing, putting away bad spirits, good luck, strenght, healing powers, good vibes.... That one looks mainly aquamarine but I can notice other colors too. Aquamarine is for keeping negative energy away and giving balance to body and mind.

It could come from Yoda but also from China or even Southamerica. It looks expensive, so I don't think he bought it in a little shop :ph34r:

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It's either Osaka or Tokyo, 2009

Amiri didn't make those awful clothes from 2001! :rofl-lol:

 

 

What I mean is Axl keep wear ugly clothes, Axl didnt have fashion sense, back then Izzy is the one who choose!/lend His clothes, After Izzy left seems Axl aways wear ugly clothes,these days He still wear clothes tht We think its ugly N' Amiri didnt help at all, so maybe Izzy can be His stylist or something :ph34r: Izzy can pick good clothes tht isnt expensive, He can join as rythm guitarist again N' Axl stylist more loot :ph34r:

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6 hours ago, Frey said:

Don't know how much stuff is out there, but I made a thread in D&N about a video featuring Yoda's husband once.

Because the guy even mentions Axl in this one and says he's one who gave him the crystal ball thingie that made Axl lose his shit during the 1998 air port incident. Apparently Axl keeps/kept that thing next to his bed.

I also remember seeing a video of Suzy London (Don't Cry video "therapist") on Youtube. She's a complete fraud as well. They're all such obvious fakes and charlatans, it's ridiculous.

 

Thank you. I want to delve into how "charlatan-y" they were.. because i do believe certain (what some would consider "New Age-y")  holistic therapies do have a lot of merit, such as reiki and reflexology. I like the fact that Axl was searching, and looking for ways to heal, but perhaps he relied on it too much though..as with everything, there must be a balance. 

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32 minutes ago, Whiskey Rose said:

Thank you. I want to delve into how "charlatan-y" they were.. because i do believe certain (what some would consider "New Age-y")  holistic therapies do have a lot of merit, such as reiki and reflexology. I like the fact that Axl was searching, and looking for ways to heal, but perhaps he relied on it too much though..as with everything, there must be a balance. 

From the little I read about their "Institute", they do not mention any of these things. I couldn't find a lot of information about these people and what I found, it is a drag to read :facepalm: but my first impression is that most of it is pseudo-science.

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Arcos Cielos Corporation was created for the development of New Paradigms in Science, Education, Fine Arts, Global Ecology, Human Potential Development, and Future-Science Technology. This non-profit 501 (c)(3) Research Center is situated in Sedona, Arizona…an area noted for its unique combination of spectacular natural beauty, sunny climate, and peaceful solitude.

The Founders, Elliott and Sharon Maynard, together constitute a unique resource of Creative, Scientific and Technical Expertise. Elliott’s cultural and educational background spans a broad spectrum of professional skills and experience. His educational credentials include: a Bachelor of Arts from Washington and Lee University, a Masters of Science in Zoology from the University of Miami Florida, and Advanced Graduate Studies at the University of Miami Marine Institute, Nova Oceanographic Center, and the University of Costa Rica. He earned a Ph.D. Degree in Marine Sciences and Consciousness Research from the University of the Trees in Boulder Creek, California, and served on the faculties of Adelphi University and Dowling College in New York.

Elliott’s scientific background includes extensive field research on Tropical Marine Ecosystems, and Behavior of Coral Reef Fishes and Invertebrates. He studied Tropical Biology and Rainforest Ecology at the Organization for Tropical Studies in Costa Rica with renowned global forestry expert, Dr. Leslie Holdridge, and subsequently went on to pioneer the field of Giant Freshwater Shrimp Aquaculture in Florida and Puerto Rico. In 1980-81 Elliott worked as a Research Scientist at the Kuwait Institute for Scientific Research, where he played a key role in Project Management, and the Development of Advanced Aquaculture Systems, working with 1200 scientists and technical specialists from around the world.

Sharon Tanemura Maynard, born in Western Canada, brought a unique international flavor to Arcos Cielos and its innovative programs. Through her Japanese cultural background, she was skilled at bridging Eastern and Western Viewpoints, and integrating them into programs for new ways of thinking and effective action. Her educational background includes an ARCT Degree from Toronto’s Royal Conservatory of Music. and studies in Communications at Simon Frasier University in Vancouver. She also earned a Bachelor of Arts in Communications from the University the Trees Consciousness Research Institute. Her unique gifts in the areas of Financial and Creative Structuring were passed on to her from her grandfather, who was a Buddhist Priest. Sharon’s special abilities were a key factor in many of the breakthroughs incorporated into the Transformative Programs developed at Arcos Cielos Research Center.

In 1989, following a decade of pioneering work of Giant Freshwater Shrimp Aquaculture in Florida and Puerto Rico, the Maynards turned their attention to Native American Education. Working as Education Specialists for the Hopi Tribe of Arizona, their efforts resulted in a comprehensive set of Goals and Standards for the new $22 million Hopi Jr./Sr. High School, as well as a unique Hopi Cultural Curriculum, which integrated Hopi and Conventional Western Worldviews into their existing educational system. During this time-period Elliott began developing a futuristic Educational System called The University of the Future Project®. Other subsequent Projects included integration of Alternative Medical Systems with Conventional Medicine.

Besides being an expert Scuba Diver, Underwater Photographer and Videographer, Elliott has applied his past experience to update his earlier field research in the Marine Environment. During the past few years he and Sharon have made numerous research trips to Tropical Islands and Remote Atolls, to study and document the changes and current “health” of Earth’s Coral Reef Ecosystems and their responses to the Pressures of Human Activities and Shifts in Global Climate Patterns.

The Maynards continued their efforts to develop several unique, co-evolutionary Paradigms for the Third Millennium, designed to advance the Human Social Consciousness, and to provide new, effective Strategies for Transformative Thought and Action. They worked for over two decades to develop a Master Paradigm called Future-Science Technology®. This Master Paradigm effectively magnifies existing human capabilities and integrates them into a Practical Method for Quantum Success and Breakthrough Achievement. Future-Science Technology essentially re-connects Humans with their Natural Planetary Heritage and instills a renewed focus for achieving a sustainable balance with the Global Biosphere.

The Arcos Cielos Global Ecology Project® is a New Paradigm for the protection, restoration, and rejuvenation of Earth’s Ecosystems. This new Paradigm integrates Environmental Education, Ecologically Appropriate Technologies, and Sustainable Lifestyles by applying innovative applications of New Technologies and Alternative Sciences. Other Projects include: Future-Science Art,® the Creation of “Living ArtForms” for the Third Millennium; and Paraphysical Fitness®, a Wholistic Fitness Program, which focuses on the development of the Physical and Subtle-Energy Bodies.

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This inflated CV of bullshit is interesting, though... I mean, interesting to dissect it and try to find out more about their "achievements" in research.

The first thing that calls my attention is how pretentious this shit is and how little information there is on their "research center", which claims to be non-profit but I start to wonder how do you maintain a research center that is aming to develop new paradigms in Science, Education, Fine Arts, Global Ecology..... They are all so many different fields and for that you would need several different teams of researchers working on projects, so how do you pay those people?? And mostly, what would be this research for?

Scientific research is not done for nothing. In general, it is connected to the public politics or with the State, but I can't find any connection between what this people do and the American state. So do they investigate these things just for the sake of it?? Who pays those investigations?? :question:

They mention only one thing they did, some educational project for the Hopi Tribe of Arizona..... I don't know if that's real or not and which are the results of it.

The universities where they've got their degrees do not sound familiar to me and all those degrees also sound like bullshit.

I have also dedicated 5 minutes to skip through this BS powerpoint by Elliot and lol, it's 79 pages of blah blah. Not one single point made. Only bullets with inflated crap, as it is his style.

http://www.slideboom.com/presentations/29549/12-Future-Strategies-for-Transforming-the-Global-Biosphere

 

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That's great @killuridols thank you. I had a little bit of time to do a lookey-loo as well, and you're right...a whole lot of words without a whole lot of substance. What are their theories of this Future-Science technology and how are they applied? What are the basic tenets? It could be interesting, could be a new way of looking at the world and your place in it, but couldn't find any real details. So was Axl following this i wonder, or mostly relying on Sharon's proclaimed psychic abilities? And the University of Trees (ha!) is not accredited, so Elliot putting PH.D on his books is a bit of a misnomer imo. So that pretty much tells me all i need to know. 

 

 

 

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They just seem to add 'ologist' or 'ology' onto the end of every word. 

PhD in consciousness :lol:Human from the future :lol: futurist educator :lol: 

All that stuff about quantums and space too ?

I read when Yoda died Elliot replaced her with a look a like to keep the gullible putting money in his pocket. 

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3 minutes ago, Whiskey Rose said:

That's great @killuridols thank you. I had a little bit of time to do a lookey-loo as well, and you're right...a whole lot of words without a whole lot of substance. What are their theories of this Future-Science technology and how are they applied? What are the basic tenets? It could be interesting, could be a new way of looking at the world and your place in it, but couldn't find any real details. So was Axl following this i wonder, or mostly relying on Sharon's proclaimed psychic abilities? And the University of Trees (ha!) is not accredited, so Elliot putting PH.D on his books is a bit of a misnomer imo. So that pretty much tells me all i need to know.

That's what I want to know.... I couldn't find one single paper where the theory is developed and how it would be applied and where? lol

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U.of F. Basic Objectives Acquisition of Wisdom through Mentoring Development of Mental, Emotional & Spiritual Maturity Development of the “Core Self” Practice of Compassion for All Life Development of Natural Intuitive Abilities Individual & Group Participation as Agents for “Conscious Evolution”

Bunch of crap that doesn't explain how he's gonna do all of that :facepalm:

Most of what he's written is a poor attempt for state of the art, no references to the current paradigms, researches and authors. In one of his blog entries, Elliot writes lenghty about nothing and cites only two authors :lol:, one of them is Alvin Toffler.

None of this information matches what we know Axl was doing with Yoda, so I don't know if this is a smokescreen or what...

 

12 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

They just seem to add 'ologist' or 'ology' onto the end of every word. 

PhD in consciousness :lol:Human from the future :lol: futurist educator :lol: 

All that stuff about quantums and space too ?

I read when Yoda died Elliot replaced her with a look a like to keep the gullible putting money in his pocket. 

Yeah, it looks like a keyword generator.

 

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@killuridolsThank you for your bravery and time to pas through that pile of... Ehm, even the summary is extraordinary colorful, it`s read as one red flag by another. Although I thought that after the world did not end in 2012 this esoteric bubble collapsed... 

 

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7 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

It reminds me of how Axl writes his letters. The same rambling nonsense with hardly any point at all. 

:lol:

Must be the results of the Educational Methods the Arcos Cielos Inc. inflicted on him.

5 minutes ago, Alja said:

@killuridolsThank you for your bravery and time to pas through that pile of... Ehm, even the summary is extraordinary colorful, it`s read as one red flag by another. Although I thought that after the world did not end in 2012 this esoteric bubble collapsed...

lol

Here's more for your reading pleasure..

https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=AXkjj2lvlu0C&lpg=PA2&ots=0CA4xXC4gS&dq=sharon maynard arcos cielos&pg=PA2#v=onepage&q=sharon maynard arcos cielos&f=false

 

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