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Thanks, @killuridols, I love Albert Camus and I read this text when I was about 16 as well. I truly found consolation in the thought that the thing to pursue life and find out whether it is worth living or not is an absurdity, something you cannot solve with logical reasoning. Another text I particularly loved with 16 was Camus' The Myth of Sisyphos.

On a personal level, to deal with death by suicide, it was important to me to accept that this was the person's choice. At least at that moment and probably to many moments before when he or she didn't follow the urge to end it. It is important to accept a persons free will and let her/him go with that. I hope this doesn't cause a huge discussion and misunderstanding here. I read in the other thread that acceptance of a suicide is difficult or impossible to a lot of people and I understand it. Probably everyone has to find his or her own position towards those questions.

 

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1 minute ago, Tori72 said:

Thanks, @killuridols, I love Albert Camus and I read this text when I was about 16 as well. I truly found consolation in the thought that the thing to pursue life and find out whether it is worth living or not is an absurdity, something you cannot solve with logical reasoning. Another text I particularly loved with 16 was Camus' The Myth of Sisyphos.

On a personal level, to deal with death by suicide, it was important to me to accept that this was the person's choice. At least at that moment and probably to many moments before when he or she didn't follow the urge to end it. It is important to accept a persons free will and let her/him go with that. I hope this doesn't cause a uge discussion and misunderstanding here. I read in the other thread that acceptance of a suicide is difficult or impossible to a lot of people and I understand it. Probably everyone has to find his or her own position towards those questions.

Personally, I don't know if I am for or against it because as I said before, I will never be able to deny my own suicidal thoughts and those times when I truly wanted to be gone and sometimes I still have that feeling. Or some idea I've been cultivating lately that it is me not wanting to live past 50.

Like Rovim said before, this is similar to abortion, there are people who are pro-choice and others who stand against it because they think there are alternatives and solutions for the problems people deal with.

There's one thing I am almost certain in most cases and that is that if the suicidal person was offered a solution, a clear way out to what's affecting them, they would never pick suicide instead of that hand of help. The thing is that when you reach that huge moment of dispair is already too late to be offering solutions. I dont know... some suicides are crafted with months of anticipation and others just happen like that, but the both grow in the obscurity of one's soul, never at the light of other people.

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Thank you for sharing that, @killuridols. We studied Albert Camus a little bit while I was in high school but that particular piece was new to me.

1 hour ago, Tori72 said:

On a personal level, to deal with death by suicide, it was important to me to accept that this was the person's choice. At least at that moment and probably to many moments before when he or she didn't follow the urge to end it. It is important to accept a persons free will and let her/him go with that. I hope this doesn't cause a huge discussion and misunderstanding here. I read in the other thread that acceptance of a suicide is difficult or impossible to a lot of people and I understand it. Probably everyone has to find his or her own position towards those questions.

I agree. But if this does turn out to be the medication, and not his own choice, that makes it harder for me.

Shouldn't his physician be held responsible in some way? These deaths are completely avoidable and I think there needs to be stricter regulations put in place. Kaiser for example (a hospital in my area) will not allow certain medications to be prescribed if the patient has a history of depression. I just feel like that should be the standard at this point. :no:

54 minutes ago, killuridols said:

There's one thing I am almost certain in most cases and that is that if the suicidal person was offered a solution, a clear way out to what's affecting them, they would never pick suicide instead of that hand of help. The thing is that when you reach that huge moment of dispair is already too late to be offering solutions. I dont know... some suicides are crafted with months of anticipation and others just happen like that, but the both grow in the obscurity of one's soul, never at the light of other people.

I completely agree.

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Have any of you ever seen the documentary 'The Bridge'?

Spoiler

 

It's a bit controversial and very hard to watch but it really does shed some light on the suicide thought process.

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11 minutes ago, killuridols said:

 

There's one thing I am almost certain in most cases and that is that if the suicidal person was offered a solution, a clear way out to what's affecting them, they would never pick suicide instead of that hand of help. The thing is that when you reach that huge moment of dispair is already too late to be offering solutions. I dont know... some suicides are crafted with months of anticipation and others just happen like that, but the both grow in the obscurity of one's soul, never at the light of other people.

This.

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From what I read, Chris told his wife that he had taken two pills of that medication... like an extra dosis :unsure:

Not sure if the doctor is to blame for the misuse of a medication. They all come with a booklet that warns you about overdosing.

What sucks is that he was the one handling the medication instead of having someone administrating the dosis and keeping it away from him.

Oh @Kris_1989, I have not seen that documentary! Thank you for sharing. I will bookmark it so to watch it later.

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13 hours ago, dgnr said:

 

@SerenityScorp, sorry, wrong info. The story Gina tells is that she left Axl after he actually moved in with Slash. Probably when Axl moved to Slash's house. The buying a house with Slash thing is a different story, I don't know where that comes from.

The source of the "Axl wanting to buy a house with Slash" story was an old Slash interview quoted in one of Mick Wall's books. I think. The person who shared that story mentioned that in the old thread somewhere, it should be easy to find if you search for the right key words.

 

3 hours ago, killuridols said:

 

Last year, at the China Exchange talk, the guy asked him if he was afraid of death and Axl first responded with a facial expression as in doubt of what would be the best answer for that and then he let it slide that he is "usually trying to survive in some way".

 

That answer stood out to me as well when I watched the CE interview.

It did (or does) make me think that he's still struggling with various issues and taking things one day at a time.

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Frey said:

That answer stood out to me as well when I watched the CE interview.

It did (or does) make me think that he's still struggling with various issues and taking things one day at a time.

 Yes :unsure:

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On 2017-05-18 at 1:50 PM, Frey said:

Just goes to show you can never really know how much someone is really struggling and suffering inside. He seemed fine, even his wife swore he wasn't depressed earlier.

 

Obviously Slash would disapprove of anyone getting in the way of his and Axl's relationship, right @SerenityScorp?

Seriously though, can you blame Slash (or any of the other guys)? :lol:

I mean, that woman is awful. I don't understand how anyone could be into her. She has the most off-putting personality and her looks are pretty off-putting too (speaking for myself here, I realize she's considered oh so beautiful by many people for whatever reasons I can't understand, but I find her pretty ugly and unattractive).

She's certainly a strong contender for the title of "Most horrible Guns WAG" (probably even beating Perla and Angela Nicoletti).

 

 

 

 

Funny stuff (slash's quote).  I did think SS was beautiful in the early nineties, I particularly remember an Almay print commercial that she looked stunning in and being excited that her and Axl were dating.  She seems to be pretty rude and spoiled though and at least two of her sons seem like entitled little assholes.  

I did happen to catch catch her on an old episode of law and order criminal intent recently.  I didn't know she had tried acting?

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On 2017-05-18 at 3:41 PM, dgnr said:

Oh god, I hadn't internet connection all day and just got home and heard this. Shit. How tragic, really sad news :(

It is really sad.  Of all the stars of that era, he seemed one of the most even keeled.  However, when I look at any recent photos of him, his eyes look troubled.  

It's hard to believe we have lost so many, but still have all the original GNR members.

 

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10 minutes ago, MillionsOfSpiders said:

Shouldn't he be playing by now?! 

I would think so...hopefully there are clips or photos of the event!

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Deleted a pic-Someone started a main thread on Slash at the B Ball concert.

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2 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

:heart:

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WTF:wow::wow::wow:

 

 

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-Cause wear goggles on swimming pool is too mainstream 

 

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41 minutes ago, Andy14 said:

:heart:

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@Andy14  :wow::wow::wow:

What a picture to come back to :wub::wub:

Axl looks so adorable in this one, I wanna pinch his cheeks lol.

Pic could only be improved if it was Slash, Izzy or Duff with him instead of Sante

 

 

 

 

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Those pics of Axl on vacation are cute :wub: and I wanna say that Meegan is really beautiful she and Slash make a good couple

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1 hour ago, Lumikki said:

 

@Andy14  :wow::wow::wow:

What a picture to come back to :wub::wub:

Axl looks so adorable in this one, I wanna pinch his cheeks lol.

Pic could only be improved if it was Slash, Izzy or Duff with him instead of Sante

 

 

 

 

Awwwwwwwww!!!!!!??

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15 minutes ago, KeyserSoze said:

Axl at U2 last night: 

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For those that don't check the unofficial thread. :)

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1 hour ago, Kris_1989 said:

For those that don't check the unofficial thread. :)

He looks like he's wearing underpants on his head.

:facepalm:

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3 minutes ago, Tori72 said:

He looks like he's wearing underpants on his head.

:facepalm:

His hair looks super short under those underpants. Wonder if he cut it off finally? :huh:

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